MP govt order to introduce Gita in madrassas triggers storm in Muslim community

Now, that’s the true spirit of secularism.

MP govt order to introduce Gita in madrassas triggers storm in Muslim community

JABALPUR: Madhya Pradesh’s BJP-run government has ordered state-funded schools and even madrassas to introduce stories from the Bhagwad Gita in junior classes, triggering a storm in the Muslim community. Minority leaders on Monday accused the Shivraj Singh Chouhan government of saffronizing Islamic centres of learning.

The government order of August 1 dictates a “chapter on Bhagwad Gita should be included in the textbook of general Hindi for Class III and IV, special English and special Urdu for Class 1 and II for the 2013-14 academic session”.

State minister for minority welfare Ajay Vishnoi said introducing students to Hindu religious texts wasn’t new and that madrassas have taught content from the Gita for two years. “Nobody noticed or made an issue out of it. Now, with elections barely four months away, critics have raked up a controversy to vitiate the atmosphere,” he said

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86 responses to “MP govt order to introduce Gita in madrassas triggers storm in Muslim community

  1. Dipak

    Wonderful news.At last, Hindua are waking up.

    • karan

      Every muslim boy have a right to education as also have a right to know about other religions.

      • @karan
        Appreciate your concern for the Muslim boys’ right to know about other religions. Do you have similar concern for the hindu boys’ right to learn about other religions? And what the MP Govt. is doing in that direction?

        • cnm

          @cynical

          What do you mean by other religions?. Islam and Christianity are no religions in the Hindu sense of the terms.

          • cnm

            @ Cynical

            Those who call themselves Indians to whichever tradition they may belong to are duty bound to have the elementary knowledge of Hinduism –culture, traditions and literature.

            • @cnm
              Bullshit! No one is duty bound to learn about a religion that he doesn’t want to. Govts are there to provide security, justice and welfare of their citizens. Preaching is not what a Govt should indulge in. It can only happen under theocracy and/or under Dictatorship of a bigot.

              • cnm

                @ cynical
                There were governments when we razed to ground the Babri Mosque.Now wait and see how we are introducing Srimad bhagvad Gita in the curriculum.

                • @cnm
                  You razed the Babri under police and para-military protection. Try doing the same without police, para-military, I will come back to watch the flight of false bravado. And for your information, the MP Govt. has withdrawn the circular with their tails between their legs.

                  • ravi

                    @Cynical
                    WHICH TYPE OF GOVERNMENT IS THIS??
                    Statement no:1 by Defence Minister AK Antony in Parliament(pro-pakistani comment)
                    “The ambush was carried out by approximately 20 heavily armed terrorists along with persons dressed in Pakistan Army uniforms,”

                    Statement no:2 by Defence Minister AK Antony in Parliament(uproar and stalling of both the Houses forced the Prime Minister to meet top leaders of the BJP which paved way for the issuance of a new statement)
                    “It was indeed an attack by Pakistani troops””

                    Statement no:3 by Leader of the Opposition, Sushma Swaraj
                    “Such errors should not be repeated again and that the nation wants to know what concrete steps the Government would take in this regard.”
                    Leader of the Opposition, Sushma Swaraj
                    SO,Statement no:1Babri under police and para-military protection
                    Statement no: 2 Babri without police and para-military protection
                    Statement no:3
                    “Such errors …………………. .”

                  • cnm

                    @cynical

                    Not only their protection was there they also helped us demolishing that obnoxious mosque. I salute them. We will do whatever we like to for the interest of the Hindus whether there is Govt. or not.Though it is matter time.

                    As for withdrawal of circular let me make it clear that I am discussing about the inclusion of Simad Bhagvad Gita in the curriculum not because MP Govt. is raising the issue. I am quite capable of seeing through vote bank gimmick of the BJP. The BJP people are cowards and can never do anything good for the Congress. Of course the decision of the MP Govt. worked as spur.

                    • cnm

                      @cynical
                      Correction–
                      The people are cowards and can never do anything good for the Hindus.

                    • @cnm
                      So the great people of ‘Dharma’ revel in winning an unfair/unequal war. Since when chickenery, deception and cowardice have become a virtue? Under which divine scripture? Oh! I forgot the sinking of the wheels of Karna’s chariot, or hiding the sun to kill Jayadratha, or telling a half-lie to Dronacharya. Of course I know the counter logic, which is essentially a justification of a crooked method by the crook himself. Self-deception and self-aggrandizement has no limit. (Let me keep the Meghnadbadh episode for another day) Also people lacking self-esteem can stoop to any level, here the urge to be morphed into the image of the enemy is too strong. And you know where it comes from? It comes from a grudging but secret admiration of the enemy. You don’t have to be a professional psychologist to know what I mean.
                      By the after the congis, the commies, the Maoists and all sorts of liberalists, sickularists, westerners you have also after BJP. My goodness! Who are you left with to create your ‘Hindu Rashtra’? Who will be the citizen of that utopia? I guess Togadia, Subramaniam Swamy and the ‘Indian realist’ brigade. Good luck.

                    • Shlok

                      @Cynical, even if police had stopped us, do you think they could have saved the barbaric structure? It is only Hindu patience which prevents the illegal mosques in Varanasi and Mathura being razed. But mark my words, we will do so eventually JAI HIND

                  • Indian Realist

                    Do Muslims ask anyone’s permission before breaking temples?

                    • cnm

                      @cynical

                      I am amazed at your level understanding of Hindus Shastras. That’s great.Continue propagating your knowledge of Hinduism my dear friend. But for me the murder of Karna,Duryodhana, Dronacharya, Maghanad and many such misguided warriors was righteously perfect. In fact I would have been disappointed if they had been killed otherwise. I know this understating of mine vis-a-vis Hindu History has always put me in the camp which you scorn. But I am helpless.

                      I have no doubt you will never extol the way the Great Shivaji killed Afzal Khan and wounded Shayista khan, but I just relish such acts of Shivaji. For me it is the Dharmic end that justifies the means.
                      Suppose a hardcore criminal abducted the sister of an innocent brother who is physically no match for that criminal. Then it is perfectly right for the brother to stab the hardcore criminal to death when he is fast asleep. After all the criminal must have a test of his own medicine.

                      You have great concern for us Hindus who after the sabotaging of the BJP are left with no leader to make the dream of Hindu Rashtra come true. But dear friend why are wasting your time which you better use to ridicule Hindus. As for the building the Hindu Rashtra it will come true sooner or later, whether there is a leader or not.

                    • Shlok

                      @Cynical, oh you seem to be so learned in Mahabharat? What about the Bible, where God even delights in killing babies. Or what about the Islamic scriptures where anyone who is not a Muslim should be killed? Why doesn’t your sharaabi atheistic conscience also speak against these religions? Quite simple. The moment you open your mouth, even your being a drunkard will not save you. It is only the Dharma of your Hindu neighbors which prevents you from being roasted alive, which you would have been had you uttered your comments about Islam

              • Vineet

                @Cynical

                What are your views on Hindu students being taught bible in minority schools when the majority of students are Hindus.

          • @cnm
            “What do you mean by other religions?. Islam and Christianity are no religions in the Hindu sense of the terms.”
            Non-hindus say the same thing about Hinduism i.e. it is not a religion, which I agree with. Hinduism is a term that does not appear even once in any of the sacred books of the Hindus. Even the name ‘Hindu’ is foreign. Hindus can’t even agree among themselves as to what is the correct version of Hinduism. It is rather sad and even insulting to a true Indian of Hindu ancestory that a few half-literate Hindus have put the vast body of rich philosophical discourse into a narrow hole of religion called Hinduism. At the most Hinduism is a collection of disparate traditions each having their own beliefs, myths, customs and even gods. A tradition is not a religion. If it is so, then there would be as many religions in India as there are provinces, or even districts.
            You talk about ‘Hindu sense’. What is this particular ‘sense’, if not nonsense? How does it look like? Is it like a tribal Hindu? Or like a Manuvadi Hindu? A Hindu of Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school? How are the believers of ‘Samkhya and Mimamsa’ doctrine fare in the ‘Hindu sense?
            The construction of ‘Hinduism’ in the image of monotheistic religions like Christianity, or Islam as ‘a systematic, all-embracing religious entity’ was first tried by the European scholars who studied India during colonial days to serve the purpose of colonial state. And now the neo-Hindus are trying to do the same toward the systematisation of disparate practices as a means of recovering the lost glory of an ancient time and build a national identity around it. Funnily they don’t even understand that in this endeavour they look so much like the monotheists; their so-called nemesis.
            The brand of Hinduism that is displayed here looks more like a sports club where each participant has his own style of game but bound by a common jersey. You can also call it a mutual appreciation society, where the members scratch each other’s back while dishing out self serving platitudes.

            • karan

              @Cynical
              Is tribals are Hindus?
              Yes. tribals are Hindu ,because a long tradition of “Nature worship” in Hindu and tribals are nature worshipers.

            • som

              @Cynical
              Hindu of Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school are not cruelly fighting with each others.Vishnu and Shiva are member of same Trinity,as God,
              son and holy spirit depicted in your holy book.

              • Ramesh

                @som
                Yes,Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school are not like Sunni,Shia,Ahmadiyya,
                Today it is increasingly common to hear talk of the existence of a “1,400 Year War” between Sunni and Shia Muslims. In this narrative, the sectarian violence of today is simply the continuation of an ancient religious conflict rooted in events which transpired in the 7th century. While some Muslims themselves have recently bought into this worldview, it would suffice to say that such beliefs represent not only a misreading of history but a complete and utter fabrication of it. While there are distinct theological differences between Sunnis and Shias, the claim that these two groups have been in a perpetual state of war and animosity throughout their existence is an absurd falsehood.
                http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/07/2013719220768151.html

              • Ramesh

                @som
                Yes,Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school are not like
                Catholic ,Protestant

                THIRTY YEARS WARS AND PROTESTANT KILLING CATHOLICS:-

                (1)Protestant verses Roman Catholic reform,
                (2)pluralistic tolerance versus arbitrary imposition of faith,
                (3)Lutheranism and Calvinism
                (4)the Protestant Union versus the Catholic League.
                http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.in/2012/03/thirty-years-war-and-protestants.html
                MAJOR WAR OF CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS:-
                The German Peasants’ War (1524–1525)
                The battle of Kappel in Switzerland (1531)
                The Schmalkaldic War (1546–1547) in the Holy Roman Empire
                The Eighty Years’ War (1568–1648) in the Low Countries
                The French Wars of Religion (1562–1598)
                The Thirty Years War (1618–1648), affecting the Holy Roman Empire including Habsburg Austria and Bohemia, France, Denmark and Sweden
                The Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639–1651), affecting England, Scotland and Ireland
                Scottish Reformation and Civil Wars
                English Reformation and Civil War
                Irish Confederate Wars and the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland

                • som

                  @Ramesh
                  Yes,Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school are not like
                  Catholic ,Protestant
                  THEY ARE COMPLECATED.
                  Catholic verse Protestant
                  The main issue is Catholics have believed and done some things differently to what Protestants believe the Bible has instructed. Protestants believe this is a result of Catholics believing what certain individuals and traditions have said, rather than what God has said through the Bible. The problem of traditions becoming more important than God’s truth is something all religions have at some time been guilty of, including Protestants. The Catholic Church has admitted to some of the errors it has been guilty of in the past, and has changed. But there are still some beliefs and practices that Protestants would say are against what the Bible teaches.
                  An example of change in the Catholic church is, the fact that today, the Catholic Church does encourage Bible reading. But in the past the Catholic church has discouraged personal study of the Bible, in fact reading the Bible was at one time banned by the Church. Only certain people were allowed to do so. People that did read, or spread the Bible, were even killed by the Catholic Church, like William Tyndale who was one of the first people to translate the Bible into English.

                  The Catholic Bibles include certain books which Protestants say should not be there. They are called the apocryphal books, which are writings protestants do not believe have been approved as inspired by God. Since they are not referred to as Scripture by Jesus or His disciples.

                  At one time almost all Catholic Church services were entirely in the Latin language, and only a few people could understand Latin. This is no longer case.
                  Protestant believe the Catholic belief system has complicated the simple Gospel message. Protestant protest any religion that teaches that to receive spiritual salvation involves a lot of hard work. Protestant believe we have eternal life when we put our faith in Jesus, as the Scripture says: “He that believes on the Son has everlasting life” (John 3:36)

                  The Bible warns against those that seek to complicate and corrupt God’s simple plan of salvation (2 Corinthians 11:3). The simple truth is God’s gift of life has been fully paid by Jesus on the cross. We can receive it in this life by turning from our wrong ways and accepting Jesus as our Lord, it is not something we can get by doing good works (Ephesians 2:8-9).
                  http://www.truth.info/church/catholic.vs.protestant.htm

                  • ray

                    @Ramesh
                    Yes,Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school are not like
                    Catholic ,Protestant
                    NO…NO…THEY ARE MORE COMPLECTED!!!!!!
                    HOW THIS THING IS POSSIBLE ,……TO TEACH THIS THING IN SCHOOLS??????
                    The difference between Protestants and Roman Catholics? First and primarily, the sacraments: namely THE EUCHARIST. The Catholic Church follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. The early apostles gave their lives for the sake of the Gospel – “gospel” meaning ‘Good News’ / teachings of Jesus. From the earliest of scriptures and those early Church Fathers who succeeded the Apostles (Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin, Irenaeus and many more) all taught and continued the legacy of Jesus Christ, founder of Christianity. Among those teachings is the EUCHARIST; the giving of Jesus himself in the forms of bread and wine that through the mystery of “transubstantiation” become the Body and Blood of Jesus. This is what Catholics receive through the Liturgy of the Mass when they attend Church.

                    • Indian

                      Sorry, there was never a ” Jesus Christ”. No historical evidence, zilt, zero.
                      Christianity copy pasted Mithraism.( JC Born on 25th December, 12 disciples, rising from death, miracles,baptism , etc) Mithra was a Persian God. The rest of the world is still suffering from hijacking of this into a convenient ” Christian” form by the Church ( Thanks Christianity for Slavery, mass killing of natives of America and Australia, Holocaust, etc, etc)

                    • Indian Realist

                      Mithra was actually a Vedic god that was worshipped in Iran and India both.

                  • Shlok

                    @Som, Martha a polite Catholic lady told us why Catholics were more authentic Christians, and now you are trying to tell us about Protestants. Listen brother / sister, honestly speaking, Christianity is not relevant to us at all. You seem well mannered and unlike Cynical or Malaydeb you have refrained from criticizing our religion. That’s a relief. However, we Hindus don’t take kindly to conversions, so if you want to build up bridges with the Hindus, you need to stop telling us that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

                • som

                  @Ramesh
                  Yes,Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school are not like
                  Catholic ,Baptists
                  THEY ARE COMPLECATED.
                  Baptists and Catholics are two different forms of Christianity. Baptist churches are autonomous and recognize no church hierarchy. Catholics have several layers of clerical authority/hierarchy whose teachings direct the practice of religion and worship. Baptists are strongly against idols and the devotion shown toward images and mistakenly believe that the statues in Catholic Churches are icons. Baptists usually recognize the Bible as the ultimate source of religious authority; Catholics also recognize non-Biblical traditions and clerical doctrine as directives for worship and guidelines for salvation.

                • ray

                  @Ramesh
                  Yes,Vaishnavite school or of Shivaite school are not like
                  Catholic ,Protestant
                  BUT THEY ARE NOT ONLY TWO TYPES …………THEY ARE SIX TYPES:-
                  (1)Catholic Church:-
                  The founder of the Catholic Church is Jesus Christ.
                  (2)Lutheran Church:-
                  The founder of the Lutheran Church is Martin Luther, 1517
                  (3)Calvinists:-
                  The founder of the Calvinists is John Calvin, 1533
                  (4)Presbyterian church:-
                  The founder of the Presbyterian church is John Knox, 1559

                  (5)Baptist Church:-
                  The founder of the Baptist Church is John Smyth, 1609
                  (6)Methodist church:-
                  The founder of the Methodist church is John Wesley, 1739
                  WHY THIS MUCH COMPLICATED THINGS WOULD BE STUDIED TO
                  BOYS IN SCHOOL

                  • som

                    @Cynical
                    Catholic Christian never go to Protestant Church,
                    Protestant Christian never go to Catholic Church,both
                    type of Christians never go to Baptist Church and vise versa,Baptist Christian never go to Mathodics Church and Mathodics Christian never attend to
                    all other Churches.
                    Which is the righ version of Christianity
                    On other hand Hindu of Vaisnavait School of thought
                    attended temples of temples of Shavait school of thought ,most hindu attended Buddha ,Jain Temples,
                    they also attended Sikh gurudwara,majority of Sikhs
                    attended mother goddesses template of Hindus,Jain
                    and Buddhist also welcomed at all Sikh gurudawara
                    and Hindu temples of all type.

              • Ramesh

                @Cynical
                “What do you mean by other religions?. Islam and Christianity are no religions in the Hindu sense of the terms.”
                List of Islamic Jihads from beginning
                ———————————————————
                The Jihad against Arabs (622 to 634)
                The Jihad against Zoroastrian of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan (634 to 651)
                The Jihad against the Byzantine Christians (634 to 1453)
                The Jihad against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 to 655)
                The Jihad against Christian Coptic Nubian’s – modern Sudanese (650)
                The Jihad against pagan Berbers – North Africans (650 to 700)
                The Jihad against Spaniards (711 to 730)
                The Reconquista against Jihad in Spain (730 to 1492)
                The Jihad against Franks – modern French (720 to 732)
                The Jihad against Sicilians in Italy (812 to 940)
                The Jihad against Chinese (751)
                The Jihad against Turks (651 to 751)
                The Jihad against Armenians and Georgians (1071 to 1920)
                The Jihad against Mongols (1260 to 1300)
                The Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 to 1857)
                The Jihad against Indonesians and Malays (1450 to 1500)
                The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699)
                The Jihad against Germany (1945 onwards)
                The Jihad against Rumania (1350 to 1699)
                The Jihad against Russia (1500 to 1853)
                The Jihad against Bulgaria (1350 to 1843)
                The Jihad against Serbs, Croats and Albanians (1334 to 1920)
                The Jihad against Greeks (1450 to 1853)
                The Jihad against Albania (1332 – 1853)
                The Jihad against Croatia (1389 to 1843)
                The Jihad against Hungarians (1500 to 1683)
                The Jihad against Austrians (1683)
                Jihad in the Modern Age (20th and 21st Centuries)
                The Jihad against Israelis (1948 – 2004 ongoing)
                The Jihad against Americans (9/11/2001)
                The Jihad against the British (1947 onwards)
                The Jihad against Denmark (2005 Cartoon Controversy onwards)
                The Jihad against Netherlands (2006 onwards)
                The Jihad against the Filipinos in Mindanao(1970 onwards)
                The Jihad against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor (1970 onwards)
                The Jihad against Russians (1995 onwards)
                The Jihad against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards)
                The Jihad against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards)
                The Jihad against Thais (2003 onwards)
                The Jihad against Nigerians (1965 onwards)
                The Jihad against Canadians (2001 onwards)
                The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards)
                The Jihad against Australia (2002 onwards)
                The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards)
                The Jihad against Europeans (2005 onwards)
                The Jihad coninues……….for future

            • cnm

              @cynical

              “Non-hindus say the same thing about Hinduism i.e. it is not a religion, which I agree with.”

              How can’t you disagree? Non-Hindus are right. Hinduism is not a religion. It is in fact Sanatan Dharma the modern avatar which is Hindu dharma or Hinduism. We use the term ‘religion’ because anglophiles like you and your white skinned fathers might understand it in a better and easy way. But the fact is Dharm has no English translation.Besides, who are the non-Hindus bastards to decide whether decide Hinduism is a religion or not. Now do not tell me like a moron why then we Hindus are denying religion status to Islam and Christianity. First of all, had there been no Christianity or Islam in India we would have never cared to pass any comment about these two creeds. It is because these two cults have encroached upon the Hindu homeland that is India and are trying different methods to disposes Hindus from their homeland by destroying Hinduism that we Hindus have stood in defence of Hinduism. It is while trying to save Hindus and Hinduism from being uprooted by these criminal creeds that we got a chance to examine and evaluate Islam and Christianity. It is these efforts of ours that lead us to the inescapable conclusion that Islam and Christianity can not be religions as the Hindus understand it. And if they are religions then Hinduism can not be religion. It is day and night, both can not live together.

              “Even the name ‘Hindu’ is foreign”

              We have discussed else where here in this blog about how and why Sanatan Dharma took the name of Hinduism. We have provided you with solid scholarly materials about how Sanatan Dharmis assumed the synonym ‘Hindu’. It is a different thing that your inability to fathom such good scholarly materials has made you give us a slip.Do read them. I have no doubt you will not raise this nonsense once again.

              • Shlok

                @Cnm, Cynical is the Keshto Mukherjee of Indian Realist. I am fond of watching old Hindi movies of the 60 / 70 era. So in Bombaiya language, they call such persons as bewra. Jab daaru ki botal haath mein aa gayi to aise sharaabi kabaabi se aap kya asha kar sakte ho? I guess whatever he is saying is something that’s been discussed repeatedly in many places.
                Yes sir, Hindu Dharma has got no relation to the blood thirsty barbaric and fear creating Abrahamic faiths.
                Hindu Dharma is Sanatan Dharma, the eternal faith. It is the root of Sikh Panth, Buddh Dharma and Jain Dharma
                Abrahamic faiths have a certain time frame. Whatever is born, has to die. Whatever was never born, will never die.
                By the way, Cynical’s religion, Marxism has almost become extinct. Probably in the next few hundred years or so, these Abrahamic faiths are also doomed to extinction

            • som

              @Cynical
              “What do you mean by other religions?. Hinduism and Islam are no religions in the Christianity of the terms.”
              Non- Christian say the same thing about Hinduism and Islam i.e. these not a religion, which I agree with. Christians can’t even agree among themselves as to what is the correct version of Christianity. It is rather sad and even insulting to a true Indian, European ,African ,North and Latin American of Christian ancestry that a few half-literate Christian have put the vast body of rich philosophical discourse into a narrow hole of religion called Christianity. At the most Christianity is a collection of disparate traditions each having their own beliefs, myths, customs and even Gods. A tradition is not a religion. If it is so, then there would be as many religions in India as there are Christian countries of world or even districts of Christian countries of world.
              You talk about ‘Christianity sense’. What is this particular ‘sense’, if not nonsense? How does it look like? Is it like a tribal Christian? Or like a Roman Catholic Christian? A Christian of “Protestant “school or of “Roman Catholic” school? A “pluralistic tolerance” of Christian school or of” arbitrary imposition of faith “school? A” Lutheranism” of Christian school or of “Calvinism” school? A”Protestant Union “of Christian school or of “Catholic League” school? A “Presbyterian Union” of Christian school or of’ Baptist “school or of “Methodist” school? The construction of ‘Christianity’ in the image of religions like Hinduism, or Islam as ‘a systematic, all-embracing religious entity’ was first tried by the Indian scholars who studied Europe ,America and Africa during colonial days and after to serve the purpose of freedom struggle. And now the neo-Christian are trying to do the same toward the systematisation of disparate practices as a means of recovering the lost glory of an ancient time and build a WORLD ORDER around WORLD. Funnily they don’t even understand that in this endeavour they look so much like the monotheists; their so-called nemesis.
              The brand of Christianity that is displayed here looks more like a sports club where each participant has his own style of game but bound by a common jersey. You can also call it a mutual appreciation society, where the members scratch each other’s back while dishing out self serving platitudes.

            • som

              @Cynical
              Protestants or Catholics —
              Who Are Right?
              Protestant views on Mary includes the theological positions of major Protestant representatives such as Martin Luther and John Calvin as well as some modern representatives. While it is difficult to generalize about the place of Mary in Protestantism given the great diversity of Protestant beliefs, some summary statements are attempted.

              While reformers such as Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli and John Calvin at different points in their writings had expressed what seem to be examples of a residual Marian piety,the Protestant emphasis on sola scriptura, solus Christus, soli Deo gloria, among others kept the honoring of Mary to a minimum, and Protestant teaching about Mary co-terminous with her short part in scripture and creeds.

              The Catholic Church teaches that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was not only a virgin before Jesus was born, but remained a virgin perpetually thereafter.

              Most evangelicals find this to be just another silly Catholic belief that can be quickly dismissed by anyone with a basic knowledge of the Scriptures, seeing as the Bible mentions that Jesus had brothers and sisters.

              One such example is Matthew 12.46: “While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.” Other examples include Matthew 13.55, Mark 6.3 (this is the one that mentions sisters), John 2.12, John 7.3, John 7.5, John 7.10, Acts 1.14, 1 Corinthians 9.5, and Galatians 1.19.
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_views_on_Mary
              http://youngevangelicalandcatholic.blogspot.in/2011/11/protestant-defense-of-marys-perpetual.html
              http://www.indiastudychannel.com/experts/25660-differences-protestants-catholics.aspx
              http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_Protestants_believe_in_the_Virgin_Mary#page2
              http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15819/what-is-the-difference-between-protestantism-vs-protestants
              http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100105154709AAL2Gw6
              http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/catholic.htm

    • Anonymous

      About bloody time as far as I’m concerned! Why should Hindus have to kiss ass in their own country. This is a good step forward….but it is only a small step. Let’s hope the BJP come into power in the next election and show up with strength and intelligence. India needs a major overhaul.

  2. Personaly I am against introduction of religious study in Govt. funded educational institutions. But if the Govt. insists, then it should similarly introduce study of Quran, Bible, Torah, Tripitak etc. in all Govt. funded educational bodies.

    • Indian Realist

      I think the Government has an obligation to teach all students religions that originated in India and which consider India their homeland — Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Hinduism. Why should imported religions be taught to our children whose holy lands lie outside the borders of the country and which are hostile to the idea of India? I am sure the sublime message of Gita will help moderate the views of Madarrasa students who currently read only the terrorist manual and are taught to hate everyone else.

    • Shlok

      @Cynical, firstly the madarsas in the country are heavily financed by the Gov’t and in such Muslim schools, students learn all the manuals of spreading terror. Terrorism breeds in these Muslim schools. Secondly, the Ramayana, Mahabharat and Geeta are Indian, Quran and Bible aren’t. Indian and Hindu culture is synonymous, therefore, only Ramayana, Mahabharat, Geeta, Jain Agama, Guru Granth Saheb, etc must be taught compulsorily.

      • @Shlok
        “…in such Muslim schools, students learn all the manuals of spreading terror.”
        Which Madrassa? Tell me. Have you heard it from someone else? Have you seen it yourself? Have you reported it to the authority?
        “the Ramayana, Mahabharat and Geeta are Indian, Quran and Bible aren’t”
        Is theory of relativity Indian? Or, the language you are using right here?
        And by the way, you recommend teaching of ‘Guru Granth Saheb’. Do you know that Sikhism is a monotheist religion?

        • Shlok

          @Cynical, I have only 5 minutes to spare, extremely busy. But don’t worry, I intend to answer each and every of your nonsense. In the meantime, you Commie / Islamic supporters are blind. Absolutely blind. You look around you and you know very well that that these madarsas are laboratories of spreading terrorism. India Today had covered an article a few years back as to what madarsas teach in West Bengal and in Pakistan. B is for Bandook, J is for Jehad, etc This is the reality all over the country. Someone has said that those who are blind should be helped, but those who pretend to be blind, like yourself should have no sympathy. This week or next week I will send you any number of articles to show you what these schools teach.
          Besides that, I am pretty new to this blog, but I definitely do not understand the opposition to the word monotheism. If it means a belief in One Creator, then of course the Vedic faith is monotheism. If it means a belief in just one method, or in just one Prophet, or in just one Son of God, etc then surely we are not. As far as Sikhism is concerned, I am not here to play politics. Hindu Sikh differences are superficial. I don’t even accept what Dayanand Saraswati said about Sikhs
          Look Sikh Panth is an offshoot of Hindu Dharma. Sikhs today may or may not agree, I don’t care. Too busy to write a detailed answer right now. But to give you a very small example, a very quick one. Hemkund Saheb was in the news recently. It is one of Sikh Panth’s holiest pilgrimage places. Do you know the significance of it? It is accepted that it is the very spot where Guru Gobind Singh had prayed to Durga Maiya in his previous life. And this is a Sikh pilgrim place. Side by side, there is a Hindu temple to Lakshman where people also pray

        • Indian Realist

          Theory of Relativity doesn’t say “Our theory is true, your theory is false, and if you don’t agree, we will beat you”.

    • cnm

      @ cynical

      Budhism and Jainism are part and parcel of Hinduism as they are different schools under the umbrella of Sanatan Dharma. So the teaching of Tripitaka and Jainangas is most welcome.

      • @cnm
        “Budhism and Jainism are part and parcel of Hinduism as they are different schools under the umbrella of Sanatan Dharma.”
        This takes the cake. I would rather have a Buddhist or a Jain telling me that. Just because there is no single codified body of sermons of Hinduism (whatever that may or may not mean) you think you can usurp from others what is not yours just like that. Some of us know the bitterness that the Hindus betrayed against the Buddhists and Jains alike in the past. And that umbrella had as many leaks then as it has now.

        • cnm

          @ cynical
          ” I would rather have a Buddhist or a Jain telling me that”.
          I will give you the names. But before that why don’t you produce some evidence that will prove that there existed these divisions among the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists Jains and Animists before the British invented these artificial divisions.
          “Just because there is no single codified body of sermons of Hinduism (whatever that may or may not mean) you think you can usurp from others what is not yours just like that”
          You also do not think that just because you anti-Hindus are adamant on keepimg alive the British invented artificial and criminal divisions of us Hindus for the sake of balkanize India we will allow you to divide India.
          “Some of us know the bitterness that the Hindus betrayed against the Buddhists and Jains alike in the past. And that umbrella had as many leaks then as it has now.”

          We also know the bitterness of the so-called Buddhists and Jains against the so-called Hindus. And we also well know the friendship and amity that existed among the so-called Buddhists and Jains against the so-called Hindus. We Hindus are quite aware of the Marxists strategy of raising the fraud of Hindu attack on Buddhists and Jains to keep the ignorant Hindus on the back foot.
          By the way, given below is the a questionnaire sent By Sitaram Goel to Doyen of marxism Romila Thapar. This questionnaire pertains to Hindu-Jain relationship in India. You will be happy to know that like that Srimali Romila Thapar also ran for cover having been supplied with this questionnaire.
          http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/app4.htm

        • Indian Realist

          Hinduism means NOT saying “Our God is true, your God is false.”

        • Shlok

          @Cynical, how many Jains do you know? Sunderlal Patwa, ex CM MP, and a Jain proudly says he’s a Hindu. In Bajrang Dal, the hardliner Hindu group, many are Jains. On the other hand, very few Jains say they are not Hindu. They may say they are a distinct sect within Hinduism. Are you ready for a 2nd challenge, and I will tell you stating from next week why Jainism is a part of Hinduism, are you ready? Do you have the stomach? Hindus betraying Jains and Buddhists. OK, shoot. Tell me examples from your Marxist historians and I will give you the responses from the historians. Sita Ram Goel had challenged a Marxist historian in public. He couldn’t give any answers. There are 3 classic examples given by some other Marxist historians but each of them are extremely flimsy and with no foundation. Cut out the crap. We Hindus are not barbarian and butchers like you Commies, Muslims and HIndus. We are upholders of Dharma.

          • cnm

            @ cynical
            Also never forget Girilal Jain(the X-editor of Times of India), Meenakshi Jain and Sandhya Jain. The three jains who take great pride in being called Hindus. Besides let me add the name of a few Jain Acharyas like Acharya Tulsi, Anuvarta Anushaata , Sadhvi sadhana and Acharya Ganadhipati who categorically state that there being jains proves that they are Hindus and nothing else. The list is endless.
            Now some advice—

            The Marxist tactics of dividing India by pitching one Hindu sect against the other or raising the criminal nonsense of exploitation and oppression of the so-called dalits by the upper caste Hindu has become old. We Hindus have seen through this Marxist chicanery. Therefore try some other tactics.

            • cnm

              @ cynical

              Where are you since yesterday? It appears that you have consumed a little bit more alcohol and therefore you are unable to post your ripostes. Or as always rattled by the Hindu response you have run away. After all you Marxists are masters of Hit and Run Tactics.

    • Spoken like a true ‘secularist’. Hindus! Just shut up and keep quiet. You have no right to affirm yourself in India despite the fact that you have been the major ‘tour de force’ in that land for at least 5000 years. Be good children: roll over and play dead! This is what those ‘evolved’ secularists want you to do.

    • IndianOcean

      Why do you need fund to go Mecca?

  3. Indian

    Hi Cynical Or Malydeb or whatever your name is, I don’t think it is a good idea teaching about Islam to ANY student. With all the rapes and killings and violence in that cult, it is the last thing one wants his/her child to learn.
    Now don’t go about the violence in Hinduism. That seem to be your normal reaction in this forum. You know it very well Hinduism is essentially Sadvic in nature You and your claim as a practicing Hindu( !!!!!!) should know that.

    • @Indian
      “Now don’t go about the violence in Hinduism.”
      I wouldn’t. I am a kindered soul. And besides, why should I? In that one line you gave me all that I wanted from you.

  4. Anonymous

    I think a chapter on the life of prophet and his ultra violent deeds, his rapes, looting, tortures and paedophilia can be taught at college levels. However it will leave even college students shocked to the core.

    • Equally the students would be amused in knowing what a womaniser god Indra and an eveteaser god Krishna was, if they are taught the relevent chapters. And the story of five brothers sharing one woman would make roll on the floor of the class room. I’m sure some kind of philosophical gymnastic in defence is on my way.

      • cnm

        @ cynical

        So what? It is India that is Hindustan and we Hindus are perfectly within our right to teach our shatras to everyone who lives here and he has to learn them without demur.

        Considering your anti-Hindu trait I have no doubt your mother must have been fucked by some Mohmmed type bastard or who knows by Mohemmed himself. And I have no doubt that it is result of this fuck that you were born.

        • cnm

          @cynical
          Like Mohmmed who fled to Medina from Mecca in the face of resistance similarly you run away when faced with uncomfortable questions to appear again when you gather some strength. Like father like son.

      • Anonymous

        Hello cynical idiot – are you comparing a paedophile mass murderer with Krishna ?

      • Shlok

        @Cynical, come on you can’t be so stupid and naïve to compare Mohamed and the Biblical God with Indra and Krishna. Can you? Are you that dumb? If you have the guts and if you promise to answer every single post of mine, starting from next week, I can tell you why Mohammed and Indra were evil, whereas Krishna was the embodiment of Dharma. Are you ready? Do you have the stomach? By the way, I am ready to challenge with you on any icons you believe in – they could even be Naicker or Annadurai, Marx, Stalin or Mao? This week is a busy one for me, but next week, you tell me about Krishna and I will reply you and tell you about the evils of Mohammed, Naicker and Stalin. The point is are you ready?

    • Sindhus

      Most important is to teach students how and why Christianity and Islam were born, twisted, evolved and used till date. Students should also be taught about how Islam and Christianity thinks about people of other religions.

      It should be incorporated in Philosophy or History/Civics in school.

      This is much needed in today’s society where some bogus religions are fighting for superiority, not just in India but across the world.

  5. Another attempt to polarise Hindu votes in the coming election. But people are already talking about taking it to court. And in court the MP Govt. doesn’t stand a chance. The constitution is very clear about freedom of an individual to follow (and/or not to follow) any religion of his choice. I would rather want the Govt to teach the students not to litter the streets with plastic, or the male students to be respectful of women and not rape them when they are on heat. Staffs like that, you know.

    • Shlok

      @Cynical, to hell with the Constitution. It is not a Veda. It was written by human beings, probably with the best intentions or at worst, deliberately. I have told you before, I will tell you again. You better start packing your bags to go to Mecca, Jerusalem, Pyongyang or Havana. Formation of Hindu Rashtra is inevitable. Even in next 10 years you will find difference. In 30 – 40 years, we will have Hindu Rashtra JAI HIND

    • Sindhus

      Yes, when it comes to rape and respect for women special classes must be held for Christians and Muslims who think that Hindu girls are something to be looted because they are from another country that they used to rule.
      Moreover, the government should remove all Christians prayers in Convent schools and religious references in Madarssas to start at a level playing field, not to forget asking Madarssas to teach subjects taught in other schools and allow girls to study as well..

  6. IndianOcean

    If you are born in India, you should know our history and study our epics, language, culture, religion, literatures, philosophy, and respect our ancestors. Why we need middle eastern culture, language, religion, and their stuffs? Do they ready to accept ours? If they don’t want ours, why should we accept theirs? Dear Muslim & Christian brothers, please think about it.

  7. Ramesh

    HINDUISM BRIDGING SCIENCE AND SPRITUALITY:
    Sudarshan Kriya( LOCAL ART OF LIVING ORGANIZATION EXIST IN 152 COUNTRIES SPONSORED BY SHRI SHRI RAVISHANKAR) is a “breathing-based technique” that is a core component of the Art of Living courses and “the cornerstone of … Art of Living Foundation’s trauma relief programs”.
    A number of medical studies on its preparatory practices have been published in international peer-reviewed journals. A range of mental and physical benefits are reported in these studies, including reduced levels of stress (reduced cortisol—the “stress” hormone), improved immune system, relief from anxiety & depression (mild, moderate & severe), increased antioxidant protection, and enhanced brain function (increased mental focus, calmness and recovery from stressful stimuli), among other findings.Persons enrolling for the courses sign a non-disclosure agreement with an undertaking not to teach the learned techniques (including Sudarshan Kriya) to other people without taking Teacher’s Training.

    According to Bharti Verma, M.D., in The Way of Grace, by David Lucas Burge and Gary Boucherle, “Sudarshan Kriya is not hyperventilation. The process is unlike hyperventilation and seems much more complex in its nature. A person hyperventilating will often experience lightheadedness, blurred vision, muscle spasms of hands and feet, a general feeling of being unwell, fainting and loss of consciousness. In contrast, course participants learning Sudarshan Kriya report a state of deep relaxation while feeling rejuvenated and re-energized. Clearly the experiences of persons practicing Sudarshan Kriya are exactly the opposite of what a hyperventilating exercise would be expected to produce.”

    According to SHRI SHRI RAVISHANKAR( LOCAL ART OF LIVING ORGANIZATION EXIST IN 152 COUNTRIES), science and spirituality are linked and compatible, both springing from the urge to know. The question, “Who am I?” leads to spirituality. The question, “What is this?” leads to science. Emphasizing that joy is only available in the present moment, his stated vision is to create a world free of stress and violence. His programs are said to offer practical tools to help accomplish this. He sees breath as the link between body and mind, and a tool to relax the mind, emphasizing the importance of both meditation/spiritual practice and service to others. In his view, “Truth is spherical rather than linear; so it has to be contradictory.

    • som

      @Ramesh
      Hinduism i.e. a varied mixture of extremely divergent philosophies and religions of India, the only common aspect of them being their very liberal and tolerant ideologies and,a very clear distinction is maintained between politics and spirituality probably the least political of all the major world religions ,the great reason why Indian secularism is so successful & Hindutva i.e. a nationalist movement based on restoring past glory of India and eliminate alien cultural encroachments of Islam and Christianity both are equally important for us .

    • som

      HINDUISM IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES:-
      PTV News – Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Ji visits Pakistan

      Peace Visit to Iraq – Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

      Art of Living – Blessing from Sri Sri in Malaysia 2012

      • ray

        @Cynical
        We are not giving credit to RSS/Bajrang Dal/Hindu Mahasabha/BJP/Sangh Pariwar/Vishwa Hindu Parishad/Saffron Brigade for the same.

  8. Ramesh

    HINDUISM BRIDGING SCIENCE AND SPRITUALITY
    Oxygen consumption decreased within 5 min of starting meditation. Compared to
    the sleeping condition, Transcendental Meditation (SPONSORED BY MAHARSHI MAHESH YOGI) provided 5% more reduction in consumption of oxygen than what 6–7 h of sound sleepcould provide. There was a mean decrease in cardiac output of about 25%, whereas during sleep there was only a mean decrease in cardiac output of about 20%. The mean decrease in heart rate for the TM practitioners was 5 beats/min. The skin resistance (measured by Galvanic Skin Resistance or GSR), which is a measure of relaxation (the higher the score the more relaxed subjects are), increased on the average by 250% during the practice of TM, and went as high as 500%. Compared to this, during sleep GSR goes up by only100–200%. Further, meditators were found to be less irritable than non-meditators(Wallace, 1970). Finally, in TM practitioners the regularity and amplitude of alpha waves were found to increase much more than what is found during sleep. Also, the performance of TM meditators was superior to that of the Zen meditators in that they achieved the same result in a matter of weeks (Forem, 1973).

    In the 1980s, the Maharishi also presented experiments to demonstrate that
    meditators could levitate, and though this demonstration was very controversial,
    there were many doctors and scientists who thought that the demonstration did
    show the power of TM (Chopra, 1988). Following findings that supported that TM
    could lead to reduction in crime, the Maharishi suggested that if 1% of the world
    population practiced meditation, they would carry the day for the rest of
    humankind, and crime and violence would go down worldwide. This has been
    called the Maharishi Effect, which is similar to the principle of critical mass needed
    to achieve certain social change (Mason, 1994).
    The Maharishi has dedicated his life to bridge science and spirituality.
    Experimental work that was started in the 1960s has now become a long tradition.
    The recent work by the faculty of the Maharishi University and others shows that
    research on TM continues to follow the experimental scientific approach, and covers
    a wide variety of concepts and ideas related to consciousness and neuroscience
    12 D.P.S. Bhawuk / International Journal of Intercultural Relations 27 (2003) 1–22
    (Travis & Pearson, 2000; Travis & Wallace, 1999; MacLean et al., 1997). The
    Maharishi’s fascination with science is not unusual considering that he studied
    physics in college. Emphasis on science is in our Zeitgeist (Zeitgeist is “the spirit of the times” or “the spirit of the age”. Zeitgeist is the general cultural, intellectual, ethical, spiritual, or political climate within a nation or even specific groups, along with the general ambiance, morals and mood associated with the current era).

    The Maharishi encouraged his disciples to examine the effects of meditation on
    variables of interest to medical science. Of all the Indian traditions of spirituality,
    TM is the closest to being a science, thanks to all the empirical studies done with TM
    practitioners, and that is clearly the Maharishi’s most significant contribution.
    The Maharishi might be given credit for having started the wave of research and
    writing among Indologists who attempt to connect the Vedas and the Indian
    philosophy to modern science or scientific thinking. For example, Murthy (1997)
    attempts to show how the Vedic theory approximates the projections of earth science
    and even derives methods of predicting earthquakes from the Vedas. Many
    researchers in philosophy have attempted to highlight the significance of the
    teachings of the Upanishads to modern scientific thought (Puligandla, 1997), and
    have attempted to show the compatibility of science, religion, and philosophy.
    Some Indologists have attempted to show that mysticism is a corollary to scientific
    investigation (Prasad, 1995). Others have claimed that HINDUISM LAID THE
    FOUNDATION OF MODERN SCIENTIFIC SERCH IN COSMOGONY, ASTRONOMY, METEOROLOGY, and PHYCHOLOGY (Iyengar, 1997). Vanucci (1994) examined the Vedic perspectives on ecology and its relevance to contemporary worldview. Thus, the Maharishi might be credited for starting the process of BRIDGING SCIENCE AND SPRITUALITY, a field of study that may eventually gain much deserved respectability (Capra, 1975).
    TheMaharishi used mass initiation through his disciples, which was quite opposed
    to the tradition of a guru initiating a disciple personally. One could argue that the
    Maharishi was influenced by the age of mass production, and applied it to
    spirituality. He even charged an initiation fee, driven by the need to create an
    organization. This decision was clearly influenced by his American disciples, which
    might not have happened if the Maharishi did not come to the West. Thus, one could
    argue that the Maharishi led to the commercialization of spirituality. The Maharishi
    also used the mass marketing techniques in expanding his mission and organization,
    which again shows the reciprocal relationship between geniuses and the Zeitgeist,
    one influencing the other. Following the Maharishi, charging a fee for initiation has
    become almost a normal practice for Indian spiritual masters in the west, and most
    of them charge a fee for not only initiation but also for spiritual consultation. Their
    lectures are no longer free, and much like the other inspirational speakers in the
    United States, people pay to attend their lectures. Capitalism being an important
    element of our Zeitgeist(Zeitgeist is “the spirit of the times” or “the spirit of the age”. Zeitgeist is the general cultural, intellectual, ethical, spiritual, or political climate within a nation or even specific groups, along with the general ambiance, morals and mood associated with the current era), such commercialization of spirituality is not surprising.

    • som

      @Cynical
      Both Guru Maharshee Mahesh Yogi and his follower Shri Shri Ravishankar are well qualified one graduated in science from Allahabad University and other is also graduated in Science from Bangalore University

    • som

      HI Ramesh
      Americans are paying for that!!!
      Every Indian muslim boy have a right to education as also have a right to know about other religions (free of cost ….obviously).

  9. Indian

    It is good to have internet trolls and clown like Cynical aka Malydeb aka Islamist boot lickers on this forum. For one thing, these trolls keep us entertained and dreary days become much more tolerable. Never mind that their brains( !!!) are pickled in hatred for anything Indian and Hinduism and who will sell their wives and mothers for a penny.They also increase the net traffic and to some extend, serve some purpose in bringing Hindus together. See, how much one would have missed if not for this twit called Cynical. My humble request to Cynical: Keep frothing at the mouth. We Love it.

  10. The muslims/others shd be allowed to choose. No point compelling them. The most imp point is tt the teacher shd be competent.

  11. Big brother is watching

    Hi guys, how are you? Most of you seem to be new, I have been a regular since 2 years, though haven’t done much since like 8 months or so. I had made an agreement with my sweet friend Vicjags that if he shut up, so would I. Its been quite some time that I even checked this site, but realize that the action seemed to haves shifted away from Christians in AP. A new clown’s on the stage. Mr Cynical, I don’t want anyone of you guys spitting your bloody garbage on this Hindu site. Stay away. I am not a gentleman, but a ghaati, if you attack once, I am going to surely hit below the belt. So don’t mess around. Some old timers like Vineet know that I don’t leave any anti-Hindu critic. Don’t mess around. I won’t leave you.

    Hi Vineet, how are you? Long time that haven’t written toyou

    Shlok, I am impressed a lot by your writing. Well done. About this asshole Cynical’s comments about Krishna and Indra, I suggest you check the old posts sent out by my friend Vineet and my guru, Nirmal from 2 years back. We’ve spent a hell lot of time answering old jokers like Vicjags. You can just copy and paste the old posts, it should be good. And don’t hesitate to attack these assholes where it hurts. Show no mercy, take no prisoners

    – Atul Purandar Marathe

    • Shlok

      @Atul Purandar Marathe, thanks in advance. Actually more credit must be given to CNM, Jaipal, Indian etc as they are always in the forefront

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