Southern Jihad

Aravindan Neelakandan, the co-author of “Breaking India” with Rajiv Malhotra, has written an expose of the Jihad being waged in South India, especially Tamil Nadu, and how far things have slipped under anti-Hindu ideologies like Dravidianism. It is called Southern Jihad and is a must read. This is a taste of things to come for Hindus who, as usual, think ignorance is bliss and go about their day to day lives as everything is normal. This whole thing is happening just because politicians cannot rely on Hindu votes because Hindus never vote as Hindus. They either don’t vote at all and if they vote, they blindly vote for whoever is of their caste. This is their Achille’s heel. As a result, politicians have to curry favor with Muslim fundamentalists to get bulk votes.

In Tamil Nadu, Hindu leaders are being killed one by one by Muslim thugs.

In the last two years, many Hindu activists have been attacked and killed in the state of Tamil Nadu. Randomly selected and systematically murdered or assaulted in very violent ways, Hindu organizations have been a target for a force that has been gaining strength within the state of Tamil Nadu.

This is not new to Tamil Nadu. It has happened before. During the last cycle of engineered violence, pan-Islamic forces used a combination of Dravidian polity, communal politics and terrorism to entrench their grip on Tamil society and it climaxed with the Coimbatore bomb blast. The events which happened prior to 1998 Coimbatore bomb blast have an uncanny resemblance to the present acts of violence.

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Ideological Blind Spot

In an extraordinarily insightful study of the southern Jihad, BJP noted the ideological blind spot in the Dravidianist ideology that made the parties in power irrespective of the party affiliation, look over the Jihad activities. On July 1995, BJP’s parliamentary delegation visited Tamil Nadu and the then leader of the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha Sikandar Bakht observed in his report how “the political climate in TN… marked by the influence of separatists Dravidian movement which is mostly based on anti-Hindu (views)” made “the powerful Dravidian parties “frown upon “any pro-Hindu, nationalist activities”.

Bakht report further noted that how “a section of the AIADMK, the present ruling party of the state, is also reported to have a sort of allergy towards Hindu organisations” and also observed that “the Al-Ummah led by Syed Ahmed Batcha of Coimbatore “enjoys the support of various political parties including some ruling AIADMK leaders.”.

The 1995 report surprisingly revealed the globalization attempt of the South based Jihad forces, noting how no action was taken against the founder of All India Jihad Council who had written “letter appealing to the international Islamic community for funds to carry on his fight against Hindu organisations” which was “widely distributed in Gulf countries.”

The report pointed out that the Tamil Nadu based Jihad elements were now “working in collaboration with Kerala ISS chief Madani”.[9]Meanwhile a political offshoot had emerged from ‘Tamilnadu Muslim Munnetra Kazhakam’ (TMMK) which stated that it eschewed the violent path of Al-Ummah. But as events later showed it was more an effort to have a division of labor to facilitate an atmosphere conducive for Islamist operations than for democratizing their community. AIADMK regime then was perceived as notoriously corrupt and inept by general public. So when it started making some tentative steps to curb Jihad terror it was too late. The police had set security check posts in some strategic points in areas like Kottamedu at Coimbatore.

The pseudo-secular media persons in Tamil Nadu, close to DMK ideology, charged the AIADMK of isolating the Muslims. DMK made removal of the check posts part of its poll deal which it struck with TMMK in exchange of Muslim votes. When the DMK came to power the Islamist mob was allowed to dismantle the check posts and then a fresh round of nightmare began for Coimbatore.

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  1. Dravidians, Dalits and Tribals are the oldest inhabitants of mother India. Among them it’s the Dravidians who got the worst deal from the Aryan invaders who have pushed them from the North-western India (now in Pakistan) and much of present day North India to southern Indian states of today. It’s time to send all invaders, Aryans, Arabs, Turks back to where they came from.

    • Anonymous

      So according to you, the Dravidians spoke Sanskrit ?

      • @Anonymous
        They didn’t have to. They had their own language too. Tamil is the oldest Indian language. Even today, linguists have found words in Sindhi, Pushtu languages which have Dravidian roots.

        • cnm

          @ malaydeb

          Sanskrit is oldest Indian language and not Tamil. No doubt Tamil is one of the oldest Indian languages. Besides Sanskrit is the mother of a good many foreign languages.

          Let me remind you you have as yet produced any literary and archaeological evidence supporting AIT.

          • cnm

            @ Typo error— read you have not as yet…. instead of “you have as yet produced any literary and archaeological evidence supporting AIT”.

          • @cnm
            Sanskrit is older than Tamil is the view propagated by Western Indologists who are by far pro-Sanskrit. Incidentally it’s the same people who champion the AIT. Fact is Dravidian had their own language in ancient India including what is now in Pakistan, and also where the Aryan invaders first landed. Tamil is almost surely older than Sanskrit, as a spoken language. We do know Tamil is a classical language older than Latin, Greek, and Egyptian. India is the land of the Dravidian; and Tamil is the mother of all Dravidian languages. Sanskrit was formed after the arrival of the Aryans. But Tamil is likely to have been spoken on the Indian continent for a long time before Sanskrit migrated in. That corresponds well to how most of India operated at the time before the Aryan invasion — only banal, mundane things were written down (like receipts or transfers of stock), and the things that really mattered were memorized and repeated (like prayers).
            What else happened when the Aryans arrived? A long-established group of people — the so called “Indus Valley Civilization” or Harappan Civilization along with their older writing system were decimated. Note that their writing system has yet to be translated, and these people are Proto-Dravidian — meaning, that possibly, though not probably, they spoke Tamil (though it’s equally, perhaps even more, likely the Harappan Civilization spoke what may be the parent language of Tamil.). Sanskrit is a member of Indo-Iranian sub family of the Indo-European family of language. In that sense it has got a bit of ‘Mlecchha’ touch about it. On the other hand Tamil is a member of Proto-Dravidian language group and is a native of the Indian sub-continent.

            • Indian Realist

              Aryan Dravidian theory has been trashed by genetic evidence and absolute lack of archeological evidence, and has already been removed from the syllabus of American universities. Only colonized minds in India now talk about it. Even in Tamil Nadu, once the “Great Leader” with black glasses kicks the bucket, this theory will be given an indecent burial.

            • cnm

              @ cynical
              “Sanskrit is older than Tamil is the view propagated by Western Indologists who are by far pro-Sanskrit”

              I have not cared for western Indology. I know how to form my opinion on a subject. We Hindus are not brainless chaps like you who takes the words of the whites as authoritative.Western Indology is of recent origin and Hinduism is eternal.

              The rest of of your uncharacteristically long comment is a perpetuation of the debunked AIT designed by colonial vested interests. Nothing new. Either you have not read the scholastic materials that have discredited the AIT or your close brain has failed to fathom those.Do read them again and again and come out with points where they have gone wrong.There is no point in repeating the crap which has already been disproved.

            • Shlok

              @Malaydeb, even the most ignorant ‘internationally recognizéd’ historian acknowledges that the decline of the Indus valley civilization was due to natural causes – many have accepted that the drying up of Saraswati river was the root cause. Almost none of them, not even the doyen of the Aryan is outsider theory, Comrade Romila Thapar, believes in this anymore. She now claims it was Aryan Migration theory. So, even from these ‘esteemed’ historians viewpoint, you are absolutely outdated

            • karan

              @Malaydeb
              The language of Indus valley civilization was not Tamil.

      • @Anonymous
        What a stupid question? Do you even read the comment before you jump into the fray? Why advertise your ignorance?

    • som

      @Deb
      @Deb
      DO YOU KNOW ARYAN INVASION THEORY HAS BEEN
      THEORY HAS BEEN DISAPPROVED BY SCIENTISTS .AND ARYAN MIGRATION THEORY HAS BEEN PROVED.

      • Indian

        Sorry, there was never an Aryan invasion or migration. Both are pretty much the same.The latest fad from the Missionary mob is this ” migration theory”. (Please read ” Breaking India”) We,of the south and northern part of India, are the original inhabitants of this land. Aryan is not a race. It means a noble person. Dravida denotes a place in south and includes all people from that region, not just Tamils.Their culture was Vedic culture, Refer to Sangam literature on this. Pandiyan King from Madurai fought in the Mahabharatha war on the Pandava side. It proves we had uniform Vedic culture across Bharath.

    • mybest

      @MalayDeb
      Do you know it is just to establishing fake ideology like Dravidian Christianity by western ideologist to break India into mutual hostile camps to acquire mineral rich area , a total subjugation of land , property and culture?

    • cnm

      Do not harp on the bogus and discredited theory of Aryan Invasion coined by your colonial masters to satisfy your anti-Hindu ego. I challenge you to produce a shred of evidence to support the theory except that concocted by those bastards. For your information which you always lack that Africa like India has its Invasion theory raised by the colonialists to divide the people of Africa. Even modern science has debunked the Aryan Invasion theory.Read this–http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1623744/report-new-research-debunks-aryan-invasion-theory

      • cnm

        @ malaydeb

        There is no literary and archaeological evidence to support the theory of Aryan Invasion.

      • @cnm
        I am familiar with the link you provided, and all three worthies are just some random gold diggers in the mine field of a subject that the ‘theory of aryan invasion is’. None has any international reputation in the subject they are dealing with.

        • cnm

          @Malaydeb
          So you have infatuation with the tag of “International Reputation” whatever that means. OK if you take solace in licking the boots of your “Internationally Reputed” Scholars then you are most welcome.

          Now, can you explain me why Your “Internationally Reputed” historian K.M Srimali ,like you did on many occasions, ran for cover when asked to produce proof of beef eating in the Vedas? Or is it your case that we lesser mortals have no right to question what your “Internationally Reputed” scholars utter or write howsoever bogus that may be?

          We are lesser mortals therefore the tag of “International Reputation” does not appeal to our intellect. We go by the contents of a study than taking refuge under some meaningless tags. We do not know the art of swallowing things without examining or applying our brains to that. We call the trait of believing things blindly as superstition.

          “I am familiar with the link you provided, and all three worthies are just some random gold diggers in the mine field of a subject that the ‘theory of aryan invasion is’. None has any international reputation in the subject they are dealing with.”

          I now request you to extend, some archaeological and literary proofs which can establish the AIT. You are free to take the help of the gold which, unlike our random diggers, your purposive and methodical gold diggers have dug out of “the mine field of a subject that the ‘theory of aryan invasion is’’.

          One thing more. I am quite aware of the criminal history of western Indology and its founders which include illiterate jokers like Maxmuller. Also I know the motive and purpose behind the birth of Western Indology.
          You may read (though I know you can not owing to your lack of Habit of reading good stuff) Pradosh Aich’s book “lies With Long Legs” to see for yourself the kind of illiterate and idiot Maxmuller is. Link—http://www.lieswithlonglegs.com/
          I

          • cnm

            @ Malaydeb

            By the way what is definition of ” International Reputation” ? Do you want us say so lang as one does not accept the bogus theory of Aryan Invasion and vilify the Hindus, one can not pass the test of your “International Reputation”.

            • @cnm and
              @Indian
              International reputation’ roughly means an acceptance of the scholastic merit of a Writer/Researcher by an Independent body. Indian writers certified ONLY by their Indian readers, is like Taliban certifying itself as harbinger of peace. Get the drift!

              • Anonymous

                @ cynical
                “International reputation’ roughly means an acceptance of the scholastic merit of a Writer/Researcher by an Independent body.”

                You have not named the eminences who comprise this Independent Body.But given your Marxist disposition I can guess it must be constituted by anti-Hindus of all hues. If you have problem with Indian readers certifying Indian writers then we have problems with anti-Hindu eminences certifying anti-Hindu writers.

                What is your take on the writings of these non-Indian scholars.

                Koenarrd Elst, Nocholas Kazanas,colin Renfrew, Kennet AR Kenedy.

                For your information they all have debunked the AIT. And they are all whites a colour with which you have great infatuation as you consider scholar if he has white skin.

              • Rameh

                @Malaydeb
                Some of the internationally reputed archeologist, scientists, resurch organizations who supported Aryan Migration Theory and Saraswati Civilization
                *Prof.B.B.Lal
                *David D.Davanport
                *Ettore Vincenti
                *Jan Franclois Jarige
                *Indian Institute of Space Reserch
                *Groundwater survey of Rajasthan
                These archeologists, scientists, Resurch Institutions are not pro-hindu,
                related to saffron brigade/Hindu Mahasabha,/RSS/BJP/Narendra Modi.
                Even this theory has been approved by UPA Government.

              • Rameh

                @Malaydeb
                So you are playing in the hand of Christian terrorists with the mask of Mao on them.

              • Rameh

                @Malaydeb
                So, you are trying to break India into mutual hostile camps, with the help of
                your fake ideology i.e.Dravidian Christianity.
                Shame on you.
                You are anti-national.
                Jis thali me khate ho, usi main chhed karte ho.

                • mybest

                  @Ramesh
                  You are right.
                  They have found irrefutable evidence of palaeo sites of pre-Harappan,
                  Harappan and post-Harappan ages indicating the existence of mighty
                  river matching description of Saraswati in Vedic literature through hydrology, geology, literature, archeology and radiocarbon dating.

        • Indian

          International reputation? You mean we Indians need white man to approve our theory? Still licking white fellas boots, eh?

          • @Indian
            Not necessarily. I wouldn’t mind if their work is approved by Black African, or yellow Chinese, or Red Indian as long as they are scholars of international repute. After all we are now living in a Global village, not just in a Nagpur ghetto.

            • Shlok

              @Hindu brothers, look at the fixation of these people with the RSS (Nagpur ghetto!!). I don’t think anyone over here has been quoting RSS. I have not been that long on this blog, and have no intention to scrutinize each and every word, but to the best of my knowledge we have not referred to RSS, yet Malaydeb / Cynical will continue to ‘taunt’ us with RSS or BJP. Wake up my friend. If anybody belongs to RSS or any such patriotic groups, good. However Hindu nationalism is not concentrated only in the RSS or Sangh Parivar. It is everywhere, even in TN, even though BJP or Hindu groups may not be consolidated like before. Your DMK would not dare to garland shoes around Lord Ram like they used to do before. Even the DMK ministers visit temples, whereas it would have been considered blasphemy some years back. What to speak about ministers, but even the first family of Uncle Karunanidhi worships in temples and gets blessings from Brahmins

        • karan

          @Malaydeb
          Recenty,some of the international reputed archologists and literary genious has been supported Aryan migration theory (AMT).

      • @cnm
        There is a saying in English, ‘If it looks like a duck, it swims like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then possibly it’s a duck.’ Same goes about AIT.
        Just look at the physical attributes of an average Afghan, Punjabi (Indian or Pakistani), Kashmiri, or in general a upper caste north Indian Hindu and then look at an average joe from south, the difference is stark. Of course after thousands of years of intermingling and cross breeding the dividing line has been blurred, but the marks are still there. Manufacturing a pan Hindu identity on the basis of ethnicity is a compulsion of Hindu right, nothing more, nothing less.

        • cnm

          @ cynical
          So when you fail to produce any archaeological and literary proof you fall back on the old Linguistic and racial nonsense. Let me quote Maxmuller who better debunks you.
          “I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language…to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar.”
          (Max Mueller, Biographies of Words and the Home of the Aryas, 1888, pg 120)

        • Shlok

          @Malaydeb, ok according to many ‘esteemed’ anthropologists, Dravidians originally came from Sudan / Ethiopia. So, do you mean that non-Brahmin Tamils and Sudanese look alike?
          Other point, look at Rajnikant. He is originally Maharastrian, isn’t he? Yet anyone who wasn’t aware of this would think that he had typical ‘Dravidian’ features. On the other hand, my good friend Ramesh who lives in Bengaluru is a Chettiar, and he is so fair that you would never imagine he was even from the South. You probably haven’t been to UP. You can find many people over there who are very dark skinned and some of them may be Thakurs or Brahmins. Your attempts at claiming that north Indian upper castes look different from north Indian lower castes is super bullshit. It is not true. If at all people from different regions have different features and color of skin (lighter / darker) it has got a lot to do with the climatical conditions also. There are many countries which have similar conditions. In China, Northern Chinese tend to be taller, fairer / redder and have more pronounced features than Southern Chinese even though they are all of the Han race. People from Naples in South Italy definitely are more darker than their compatriots living in the North. So don’t intrude into areas of which you don’t have knowledge. That you are a fool, all of us know. But if you want to prevent yourself from being declared FOOL NUMBER ONE, you better stop it and NOW

        • karan

          @Malaydeb
          Manufacturing a pan Hindu identity on the basis of ethnicity ……
          Manufacturing a pan Christian identity on the basis of ethnicity…
          Manufacturing a pan Buddhist identity on the basis of ethnicity…
          This is the language of terrorist.

        • ra

          @Malaydeb
          Divide line has been blurred. .that is you disappointment???
          Obviously, you are dreaming like SATAN(to whom God had been created out of fire..as per your book….)!!!
          So, stop dreaming like that .

    • som

      @Malaydeb
      The word ‘Aryan’ is a Sanskrit term , which means ‘Noble’, it is not related to perticular territory, it was the product of devils mind of western ideologists to ‘devide and rule’, that converts this adjective term into nown.

    • som

      @Malaydeb
      You are the product of Davidian Christianity, which is a fake ideology.

    • karan

      @Malaydeb
      There are enough archeological and literary evidence to support the Aryan Migration theory (AMT).

    • mybest

      @Malaydeb
      Not any other, but you should be kicked out from this country after beaten
      publicly because you are the supporter of Christian terrorist with the mask
      of Mao on them.

  2. Anonymous

    So them Aryans destroyed every single Tamil language temple in the North and substituted it with Sanskrit ? And where were the “Dalits” then ? The word Dalit was coined very recently.

    • You are right on the recent origin of the word ‘Dalit’. But in whatever name, they were there even in ancient times of Ramayan. You will understand if you remember the origin of Valmiki, or say the Chandal woman who gave water to a thirsty Ramchandra while he was in exile.

      • Shlok

        @MalayDeb, unbelievable that you still believe in that super crap of Aryan – Dravidian theory. It is all absolute crap, without any kind of proof. So much has been written on this innumerable number of times. Please google search Rajiv Malhotra and you will learn everything about it. If you can’t find it, I can send you that and many other websites or youtube links which will show you that there is no such thing as Aryan invasion theory. Tamils, Kannadas, Maharashtrians, Gujaratis, Sindhis, Punjabis, Rajputs, Thakurs, Bengalis, OBCS, BCs, SCs, all of us are indigenous to this country. None of us came from outside. Chapter closed. BTW, most of the protoganists of the Dravidian movement had pure Sanskrit names. Tamil Nadu has the largest number of Hindu temples in the country. We can find millions of Tamilians whose names are Ramchandran, Ramasamy, etc… but almost no Tamils who are named as Ravan. On the other hand, most of the Muslims and Christians in this country are also descendants of those who were forcibly converted. So, even their ancestors were Hindus

        • Indian Realist

          “We can find millions of Tamilians whose names are Ramchandran, Ramasamy, etc… but almost no Tamils who are named as Ravan.”
          Ravana was a Brahmin. He was a devotee of Lord Shiva.

          • cnm

            @ Indian realist

            The worship of Sri Ram as Ishwar perhaps had its origin in south India. It is because Sri Ram had rescued the people of South Indian from ferocious demons like Ravan and his cohorts. But Sri Ram’s image as Karmaveer has been recognized all over India and even abroad from time immemorial.

          • Shlok

            @Indian Realist, that’s true. But, in the ‘Dravidian’ jargon, Ram is a Northerner who attacked Ravan, a Southener. So, these fools are supposed to worship Ravan and boycott Ram. They are also anti – Sanskrit. Yet, Ram is among the most common names in TN, not Ravan. And despite desperate attempts by monsters like Karunanidhi to banish Sanskrit, at any given time, number of persons learning Sanskrit in TN or anywhere else in the South is far bigger than in the north

            • Indian Realist

              They had started worshipping Ravana but when it was pointed out to M Karunanidhi that Ravana was a Brahmin and hence Aryan, he did a U-turn and now they don’t talk about Ravana.

              • Shlok

                @Indian Realist, despite all their posturing Karunanidhi retains his pure Sanskrit name KARUNA NIDHI. One of DK’s leaders is (or is it was) Veeramani, just imagine. Then we have Jayalalitha, Ramchandran, Veerasamy Naiker. All Sanskrit names. The list goes on and on. And imagine when Karunanidhi wanted to keep a non-Sanskrit name,what did he name him? Stalin? Ha? How absurd, how stupid and how insane are these people of whom our Malaydeb is a follower

                • karan

                  Karunanidhi had tried to find his ideological roots in Indian soil, when he failed,then he choosed name of one Russian monster for his son.

          • Ravan being a devotee of Shiva, only proves his Dravidian roots. Shiva is a Dravidian god to start with. The Aryans started Shiva worship because of Shiva’s popularity among the indigenous people. In thousands of years both Aryans and non Aryans took each others god into their pantheon. More over how can a Bramhin who is a devotee of Shiva can steal someone else’s wife? Doesn’t fit a Brahmin!

            • Shlok

              @Malaydeb, ok so that means even if we accept your argument, then too you would accept that Hindu Dharma forms the foundation of Hindu culture. Lord Shiv and Mother Goddess seals were found in the Indus valley, so were seals portraying yoga and even Swastik. Besides that, protoganists of the Aryan race theory even claim that Bhakti was influenced from Dravidian culture. On the other hand, Vishnu / Krishna, Ram, cow worship, the Vedas and Upanishads are considered by them to be brought by the Aryans. Go across the length and breadth of the country and you will find that in each state where Lord Shiv is worshipped, Lord Vishnu is also (including TN). Where Vedic mantras are chanted, there people also practise Bhakti. So, even if was an amalgamation (for argument sake only) then too Indian civilization and Hindu civilization is one and the same. Our civilization has got nothing to do wtih Islam and Christianity. Chapter closed

            • cnm

              @ sholk

              We have enough of this shivaji- Ravan nonsense. If Shivaji is a Dravidian Deity then why Ravan , a brahmin , hence an Aryan (though the term ‘Arya” is not a noun but an adjective)was worshiping Shivaji?
              ” More over how can a Bramhin who is a devotee of Shiva can steal someone else’s wife? Doesn’t fit a Brahmin!”
              Just look at this dunderhead’s logic. Every doctor before joining his profession take the Hippocratic oath which prescribes the do’ and don’ts for a doctor. But very few doctors might be keeping this oath. Does it mean that the Hippocratic oath is all nonsense?

              Similarly, to keep his Brahinhood intact a brahmin is required to follow certain principles enumerated in the Shatras. If a someone supposed to follow the principles that define Brahminhood never follow them then he can not be termed a brahmin. How can the principles be at fault? Ravan was the son of a brahmin. He was expected to follow the Brahminical principles. As he did not follow them he could not be called a brahmin. He became an anarya( Not a Dravida) the moment he stole Sita.

            • karan

              Rama (worshipper of Shiva) was the incarnation of Vishnu, he had worshipped Shiva before attacking Ravana.

              • ravi

                @Malaydeb
                Read” Ram ki saktipuja”(the worship of Lord Shiva by Rama ,who was
                the incarnation of Lord Vishnu) written in poetic form in Hindi by famous
                poet Shri Ramdhari Singh” Dinkar”
                Actually, your idea of trinity (God, sun and the holy spirit) of Christianiny
                had been borrowed from Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesha of our Hinduism.You have nothing original ,some idea
                had been stolen from Judaism because your God ls like yahova (the war lord)similar to our first member of trinity BRAHMA -THE CREATOR, who
                is not worshipped like Lord Vishnu-The sustainer and Lord Shiva popularly
                known MAHADEV-the God of Distruction but much popular for fulfilment
                of mundane desire among his devotee

            • mybest

              @Malaydeb
              Ravana once called , “Aryan” in one conversion by his wife Mandadari, after wounded and died afterwards by Rama in the famous war of Ramayana.
              So, read Ramayana carefully either from Balmiki and Tulsidas, and stop
              propogating rubbish.

            • ra

              @Malaydeb
              Are you devotee of Shiva???
              Personal question …obviously.
              If yes..precisely. ..then you know….there is no quarrel between devotee of
              Vishnu and devotee of Shiva., Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva (Mahesha) are the
              members of our Trinity.
              If you are not……we know better what is your motive.
              STOP ALL NONSENSE.

        • Who is this Rajeev Malhotra, you guys keep invoking all the time? Is he a new messiah? What is his qualification? What is his academic and/or research credentials? Writing random articles do not make one a scholar of any sort.

          • Indian Realist

            What are your credentials to question him?

          • Shlok

            @Malaydeb, I mentioned Rajiv Malhotra because you specifically linked up Dravidian with Dalit and tribal. Rajiv’s book, ‘Breaking India’ examines all these issues and the original mischief behind it all. Of course, he’s not the only one. There are many other scholars, Koenraad Elst, Sita Ram Goel, Shrikant Talageri, N S Rajaram, among others who have written on this subject. But, Rajiv’s book being most recent is easily available. At the same time, looking at your comments, I doubt if you would be able to understand the subject. Persons like you are used to one and two liners, and probably can’t be glued to reading big books. But, if yo are able to do so, you must read “Breaking India”. Aravndan Neelakandan is the joint author of this book. If you are from Tamil Nadu, this book will be very handy. One page of this book is more valuable than the combined books of Max Mueller, Romila Thapar and R S Sharma combined

          • ravi

            @Malaydeb
            Rajeev Malhotra is an Indian American researcher , writer , speker , public
            Intellectual on current affairs as they relate to civilization , cross culture
            encounters , well qualified , studied in Physics in New Delhi and Computer
            science from USA , formally senior executive , strategic consultant , a sucessful entrepreneur in information technology.
            Currently, Rajeev Malhotra is a full time founder member of Infinity foundation in Princeton NJ.
            He also served as Chairman of Board of Governors of Indic studies at the
            UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS, DARTMOUTH, and as adviser of various other organizations.

      • karan

        @Malaydeb
        And… Rama refused to take it???

    • Shlok

      @Malaydeb, according to the bogus Aryan Invasion theory, there was no mention of Dalits also being original inhabitants. And also Dravidians are also supposed to have migrated from elsewhere, they also were not originals. On the other hand, many tribal communities in the North East have oral traditions detailng their migration from South East Asia

  3. Anonymous

    So them Aryans destroyed every single temple that was Tamil ?

  4. Darrell Jenkins

    Co-author of acclaimed book “Breaking India”, Aravindan Neelakandan has worked for the past decade with an NGO in Tamil Nadu serving marginalized rural communities in sustainable agriculture. He is also a popular science writer in Tamil and is part of the editorial team of highly popular Tamil web portal http://www.tamilhindu.com.

  5. Indian

    @Malaydeb, is another new troll on the block. Or is he an old one in new name? The name Cynical comes to my mind. You can show evidence after evidence and prove this Aryan invasion/migration theories are hoax and cooked by the Colonial British to divide and rule India but these anti nationals will not budge. They will keep parroting the tired old line without any shred of any evidence. It all started with solider cum self proclaimed archaeologist Mortimer Wheeler from the British army who famously declared that Harrapa and Mohanjadaro people were slaughtered in thousands by the invading Aryans.This crap theory was further nurtured by Max Muller, another paid stooge of the East India company and lately by our own DK/ DMK wallas and leftist intellectuals like Angana Chatterji, etc.Even British’s own BBC had disowned this discredited theory.
    As they say , you cannot wake up someone who is pretending to sleep.
    By the way Malaydeb, what are YOUR qualifications to question Rajiv Maalhotra? If you have solid ( archaeological, primary evidence) proof of AIT/AMT, put it out on the table. Wendy Doinger’s tantrums will not be considered as proof. In other words, put up or shut up.

    • Shlok

      @Indian, these persons just speak, speak, speak. When challenged, they ignore and move to the next topic. Cynical raised many common points that secularists raised. When any of us answered, he just moved to the next topic. We have Malaydeb here, Cynical elsewhere and Sushmitha in the other blog. Sushmitha is all bent on proving that Christ was predicted in the Vedas. Sister Lata, or actually we should call her Lata Didi, has been answering her point by point. She’s not bothered to respond to that, but a new set of attack is presented every 10 – 15 days. These persons are absolutely ignorant. It does seem that they’ve locked up their brains and put it in cold storage. They can’t think

  6. Avinash

    @ malaydeb, can you name five prominent “Aryans” in present day North India? Do you think Mayawati & Mulayam Singh are Aryans?

  7. Indian

    @Malaydeb
    Please enlighten us with the names of people who belong to YOUR elite ” International repute” group. You,being an ardent fan of this privileged lot, I expect their names will be very familiar to you. You must have read many books and articles endorsed by these intellectuals. Please enlighten us with their names.It will give an opportunity to dig into their background.
    Any excuses in failing to reveal the names will be taken as sign of your cowardliness,all high talk with little substance. Either put up or shut up.

    • cnm

      @ Indian

      This malyadeb is a coward and quite good at running away after hitting. Just see how many times I have asked him to produce literary and archaeological proofs, but every time he evades to cite any instead he goes on repeating the same old nonsense of AIT. Do you know why? Because the moment he starts to adduce evidence he will enter into debate. And a debate is something that scares him like anything. Observe his comments lying across this blog. You will invariably find that he never goes through the scholastic materials provided by any one of us. He never points out what wrong he finds in those materials and what is his take on that. He never says that there is some value judgement involved in those materials or that the logic the author of the materials uses is not straight. he simply goes on repeating the Marxist nonsense. That is his wont. You heap information on him he will stop commenting. Pat come another post and he will start commenting till you corner him to the point that he can make no more comments.

      • @Indian Realist, this Malaydeb aka Cynical just displays his tunnel vision over issues related to Hinduism posed by well-informed and knowledgeable bloggers. He simply has no credible answers to many of the questions posed by the brilliant bloggers on this site. Hope that the proponents of Sanatana Dharma carry out their duties with utmost zeal in upholding its principles and defending it indefatigably against the monotheists, leftist intellectuals, ultra-liberal intellectuals like Ramachandra Guha, and many blinkered anti-Hindu, anti-Indian Western scholars like Wendy Doniger, Martha Nussbaum et al. I very much appreciate your efforts and endeavors in this regard. I also strongly recommend this site to be visited to my friends.

  8. JSA

    Essentially Indians are NOT a single race. If any of you have been to countries where there are race is strongly involved, you can see that there are many physical traits that divide the people into different races. Physical traits such as nose, curvature of the face (leaving aside the major traits such as skin color, hair, stature etc.). These features are believed to have started arising 20,000-50,000 years ago. They have played major roles in identifying the races which was involved in the division of many states of Africa, Balkans, Caucasus, Middle East etc. I’ve had experience to come across people from some of the above mentioned areas. For instance, to us in a single look Arabs and Kurds look the same but if looked closely there are minor differences which are not visible to a foreign eye. Or there are many subtle differences among the Africans (not African-Americans) along the lines of above mentioned features. But, if someone tries to do it in India, it could be really confusing. These traits are not observed in a large majority unlike other countries (leaving aside skin color, hair, stature etc). This points to the fact that Indians are not originated from a single race. This does not imply that this was due to invasion, friendly population mixing or whatever.

    Another factor is language. As a person who can speak A Dravidian language, An Indian Indo-European language, A European Indo-European language and A Semitic language, I can say that there are many vast differences between South Indian and North Indian languages. For instance, there is a widely accepted linguistic theory which states that the most used words are the ones that undergo least changes. Now, if you consider the basic words in the languages such as the ones for father, mother, house and numbers, it is entirely different. This again points to the multiracial origin of Indians.

    The theories which state that the whole Indians are of monoracial origin are simply BULLS!!! Those are just aimed at religious unification of Indians. But I’m not sure again whether the mixing was due to invasion, friendly intercopulation or whatever.

    • ravi

      @JSA
      This country is nither like Norh America, New Zealand and Australia, where entire population of original
      Inhabitant had been exterminated outright by Invaders because there was
      continuous resistance from other side nor
      this country was like Iran, Masopotamia and other middle easter countries where entire population had been surrendered to the inveders and converted.
      After 600 years or Islamic rule and 200 years of Christian rule, when this
      country became independent, 83% population were still follower of Hinduism.
      It is just miraculous!!!
      Is’nt it???

    • ravi

      @JSA
      Unlike Europe and any other place, race wasn’t the primary factor, we called it verna , which was not cast , firstly this word had coined by
      Portuguese i.e.CASTA
      Unlike ca(st verna was just division of labour , respective or irrespective to
      by birth(followed by their ancestors).
      This idea was prescribed of our Rishi(most respected monk) or saint, and
      followed by our ancestors.
      The idea of untouchability and descrimination had been introduced in letter years due to fall of Hindu empires, where only Jati (family) structure
      had been left.
      To restore family pride , culture and tradition they became orthodox. In this
      way , when they lost their crown, they only thing left for their self -esteem was their family pride , love to their traditions which could only be survived
      through metromonial relations within specifically restricted circle of society.
      This was not happened in China, Mongolia , Japan, not in Itely, Britain, France and Mexico, Brazil, Argentina.
      We had faced more invaders than others, like Saka, Huna, Kushaan most of whom are assimilated within our society, adoped our religion,but after rise of Arab imperialism , process of assimilation had been stopped.
      India became slave and that was continued after fall of Mugal empire and
      after rise and fall of British empire.

      • JSA

        Precisely. We have assimilated so much diversity in this country that it is impossible to say who were the natives of this country and who were the invaders. Considering that Hinduism itself is not a single religion but a mixture of a lot, we cannot really say what happened. Our story is further complex than story of any other people in the world!!

    • Indian Realist

      Dude, DNA testing is a much better way to determine different races than kite flying about length of noses and how words change over time.

      • JSA

        Sorry, I forgot that people speak languages as per what is coded on their DNAs!! Oops, NOT!!!!!!!!!!

        • cnm

          @ JSA

          language and DNA are too complex matters to be understood by someone whose brain is in his knee.

        • Jaipal

          @JSA,

          Are you an Iranian or Arab by any chance?
          Your fixation on nose, is typical of the Middle-eastern obsession
          with their noses, which explains the high rate of nose-jobs in that
          region.

          • JSA

            Stop shredding your bullshit on me. You rightwingers (I’m in no way a leftist), have an extreme tendency to stereotype people more than the lefties. That’s why I didn’t say what kind of person I am (racially, ethnically or sexually). All you need to know is that I don’t believe in any religions or gods.

            • Shlok

              @JSA, atheism seems to be the last refuge for scoundrels like JSA. It makes them feel that if they don’t declare themselves as being either a Christian or Muslim or of course a Commie, then somehow calling oneself an atheist could make them feel ‘above board’. Don’t give a damn what you are, as far as I am concerned what you are thrashing out is typical nonsense that ‘secular’ anthropologists and historians thrash. They demand proofs but never bother giving one themselves. So you may be the polite type or the crude, drunkard type like Cynical, the bottom line is that we are just not interested in persons like you.

      • Jaipal

        @Indian Realist,

        Much of what JSA wrote above is flawed.
        First of all, it is a well known fact that within a race, there can be
        variations, so his quibbling about nose, face is pure bullshit.
        Genetics has proven that modern Indians descent from pre-historic
        Ancient Indian ancestors some 40 000 years ago. Invaders had
        absolutely no impact on the racial make-up of Indian society.
        This was due to the endogamous nature of Indian society, which
        kept foreigners out of the circle of marriage.

        His claim about language differences suggesting different racial
        origins is hillarious. Language and race are not necessarily
        correlated. Take the example of Basque and Finns in Europe.
        Both are White Euros racially but speak languages belonging
        to different linguistic families. If we go by the logic of JSA above,
        then Basque people and Finns must be of different racial origins!!
        Is this the case in reality? Absolutely not.
        Same argument for Indo-Aryan and Dravidian languages.
        Both language families are indigenous to India and the speakers
        of these languages are also indigenous to India.

        • JSA

          In the case of Basques and Finns as well, it says the gene pool of the ancestral fossils found there and of the people now are different, though there are many similarities which can point to assimilation. The discussions are still going on. I never brought anything about Aryan-Dravidian divide. I think the mixing of the races have happened far before that. The reason being many puranic characters (like Krishna, Draupadi, Rama etc) are said to be of black skin (contrary to what serials etc say). Don’t assume stuff and put that on me.

          • Jaipal

            @JSA,

            There was no racial mixing in India. Indians you see today
            are the same descents of those pre-historic Indian tribes
            that lived in India, namely ANI and ASI.

            Your statement on the Basques and Finns was not coherent.
            Explain the matter a bit if you can.

            The reason Rama and Krishna, Draupadi ect are dark is because
            they are obviously Indian. Indians are, for the most part,
            dark skinned. Nothing surprising about that here.

        • Anonymous

          I agree with Jaipal, and I give a simple example – just look at Prince William and Prince Harry of UK, there you’ll find a perfect example of heredity and variation within the same race.

    • Jaipal

      @JSA,

      You must be a real idiot. Indians are far more homogenous in
      their looks and appearances when compared to Middle-Easterners,
      for example. For example, Indians all have Black hair and Largely
      brown skin. Indians have straight hair. Indians share the same
      genes from North to South without any genetic difference.

      Middle-easterners are not homogenous at all. Their looks varies
      big-time, in terms of hair color, eye-color, hair texture, facial
      appearance. Indians are far more similar to one another than
      Middle easterners are to one another.

      You seem to be unaware that nose structure and face curvature
      are immaterial in judging race. The fact is within a race, you can
      have variations that are due to mutations or endogamy.

      Indians are a single race derived from Ancient Indian tribes called
      ANI and ASI, confirmed by genetics. So you are wrong.

      • Jaipal

        @JSA,

        Indians have not assimilated any diversity in our country.
        India has always been a country of Indians, that is people
        who have been indigenous to this country for the last 40 000
        years. The present day Indians descend from pre-historic
        ancestors known as ANI/ASI some 40 000 years back.
        This is confirmed by genetics.

        India was always a well populated country throughout history
        with INDIANS. Foreign invaders were resisted and either killed
        off in battle or expelled, without altering Indian identity.
        The invaders were only a handful in number and could never
        change the basic racial demography of India. Also, Indian
        society never had a habit of assimilating foreigners at any time,
        due to strict endogamy. Foreigners were despised and called
        “Mleecha” and considered “untouchable” and not worthy of being
        associated with.

        Aryans AND Dravidians are both native to India only.
        The AIT is flawed and totally incorrect. India is the homeland of
        both Indo-European language family as also of the Dravidian
        language family. Both are indigenous to the country.
        In other words, both the people and their languages/culture
        are native to this country, That defines the majority of the
        people of this country. Invaders have no place in Indian
        society as they are not Indians.

        Hinduism is a single religion, not a mishmash as you erroneously
        imagine. Our story is not really that complex at all.
        Only anti-Indian propagandists want to make it complex, for their
        manipulative designs.

      • Shlok

        @Jaipal, these persons knowledge is all messed up. Cynical had said that Tamils, low castes and tribals were the original races. Now with all of us presenting them with indisputable facts, now we have a brand new JSA who says that well it is difficult to say who are the natives but we are multiracial. So at every step they are yielding. That is a good sign to expect from Dravidian sympathizers

        • JSA

          Keep up your assumptions about me!! These are too soft!!

          • Shlok

            @JSA, its got to do with our Hindu tolerance sir. Even though we are sick and tired of persons like you who are a big nuisance, these are just about the worst words that we can think about you. We are soft, we are tolerant, we are nice because we are Hindu

      • JSA

        Indians don’t have the same looks idiot!!! You’ll know if you have traveled a little bit and used your eyes! Indians have straight hair, wavy hair and curly hair (not African curly though). Indians have skin color ranging from fairly white to pitch black. Even facial curvatures are different. Noses range from sharp to flat. Look at the nostrils – they appear from parallel to the upper jaw to perpendicular to the upper jaw. Different studies using different markers give different results. At least read some wikipedia.

        • cnm

          @JSA

          Indian need not have the same looks. Human beings are not like animals that they will have same look. In one family even the look of all siblings are not the same. Do you mean to say some of them are aryans while some of them are non-aryans.

        • Jaipal

          @JSA,

          These are simply due to genetic mutations and a limited
          circle of marriage. Indians are an old race, so its not unthinkable
          that evolution and genetic mutations could have shaped their
          looks along with endogamy. But that doesn’t negate the fact that
          they are one race living in a common geographical space with some
          intra-racial variations. Genetic studies also prove that they have
          the same genes from North to South and that genetic commonality
          goes back to 40 000 years continuosly.

          Basically, you are wrong.

        • Shlok

          @JSA, what do you think you are? An anthropologist? I gave you an example of Chinese Han race? North and South Chinese look totally different even though sharing the same race. I also gave you an example of North and South Italians. Talking about Indian curly hair, my cousin has curly hair (not African one) even though all in his family have straight hair. Then why not go further and talk about color of hair? Why do some English men have brown, some red, some silver / blonde hair? Then why do you guys stop at hair and noses? Why not check eyes? For example, blue eyes are not common to Indians. That’s why many experts consider Pathans to be the dividing line. Going by that logic, why is it that some English persons have blue, some have grey, some green eyes? Look we are sick and tired of following Western standards for categorizing races. We will even discuss about color of eyes and hair, if you will just keep speaking about North and South Indians’ color of skins. Stop dumping your biased Western opinions onto us. Outside N E India, all Indians share the same genes. Chapter close

    • Shlok

      @JSA, there was a time when Germans took great pride that they shared the same ancestry as North Indians, of course, their claims being that the Aryans originally came from somewhere in Scandinavia or somewhere close to a Germanic speaking region. At that time, when they propogated their bullshit theories, not a single person came up and said BUT Sir, Indians and Germans don’t look alike. Or North Indians were said to have been of the same racial stock with Iranians, with the British, etc..Even speaking about languages, it is accepted that all ‘Indo-Aryan’ languages are derived from Sanskrit. English itself has thousands of words. Language affinity was the main reason from where these Europeans first realized that ther languages were derived from Sanskrit, and it was from there they started dabbling in their mischievious ideas. So you project yourself as being somewhat of an expert, when you hear two Germans speaking, how much do you think it sounds like Hindi or Punjabi?

      Don’t Tamilian and Punjabis look more alike than Germans and Punjabis?

      In that case, how can you start comparing it with Hindi and Tamil. I have spoken with many Tamil persons who told me they have problem understanding Hindi movies, due to its strong Urdu content, but they lesser problems understanding Ramanand Sagar’s Ramayana and BR Chopra’s Mahabharat. So, Sanskrit is the mother of all languages, including the Indian ones. About DNA and race matter, as I have said before also,it is best that you or Malaydeb do not dabble in issues of which you have no knowledge. At least, you should update yourself with present facts. I say because you menton about ‘the nose’ which was the racist method used by these colonists in the 19th century (measuring the nose!)

      I am pasting you links of various sites as far the matter of DNA and race is concerned. Many are not even Hindutva friendly. Many even say that yes originally North and South Indians may have been different races but look present day North and South Indians have no difference. Present day North and South Indians have the same gene pool. So, even if accept your reasoning that it is mixed, it is mixed ‘so badly’ to use a crude defintiion that all your talk of being able to differentiate between North and South Indians make no sense at all (of course, most Hindutva groups don’t believe even in that. Most of us believe that not only the present day Indians, but even our ancestors belonged to one race / group)

      I will also conclude by saying that I belong to a low-caste in UP, but I am comparatively fair skinned. My schoolmaster and his son, both Brahmins are extremely dark, if a person of your ‘exceptionality’ would place them as being from Kanyakumari or so. So stop using your faulty understanding to justifiy divisions between North and South India

      North and South Indians share same gene pool
      http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/24/stories/2006062412870400.htm

      Aryan – Dravidian divide a myth
      http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-09-25/india/28107253_1_incidence-of-genetic-diseases-indians-tribes

      ‘Dravidian’ tribes and upper castes have common genes
      http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2009/10/all-indians-are-indigenous-no-aryan.html

      DNA of Indians and Europeans: India the origin
      http://www.esamskriti.com/essay-chapters/Indians-and-Europeans-~divided-or-united-by-DNA-1.aspx

      Impact of Vedic culture and Sanskrit over Tamil
      http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/history-and-culture/the-cultural-connection/article3606162.ece

      Sanskrit’s influence on Tamil
      http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jan98/0002.html

      Indus Valley civilization by Shrikant Talageri
      http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/indus/indus_civ.html

      • JSA

        Ramayana and Mahabharata TV serials had very slow dialogue delivery and the movies have it fast. Also, there was a sphere of influence of Sanskrit and Hindi already that helped them. By your logic, we should we more close to Britons as understanding English would be much easier than understanding Sanskrit or Hindi😛

        Once again, different genetic markers give different results. Everything is still inconclusive. You don’t read propaganda websites and newspapers to understand the complete science. You have to read journals to understand that. (It doesn’t mean that I have. As a person who is trained in science, I refuse to completely believe the scientific knowledge I acquire from the two mentioned.)

        I never said that black skinned are the original sons of this land or anything stupid like that even though you have charged with me that. I simply said that I believe that Indians are of multiracial origins. May be invasion, may be mixing may be something else. I know about the skin color thing. Puranic characters like Krishna, Draupadi and Rama are said to be of dark skin contrary to your B. R. Chopras and Ramanand Sagars believes. People from the South, the North and the North-East have different appearances. You can see that if you have travelled and observed.

        • Jaipal

          @JSA,

          Indians are not of multiracial origins. They are one race.
          You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that within a race,
          there can be variations like this. The variations are due to
          genetic mutations and limited circle of marriage, ie endogamy.

          It is a well known fact that there is more genetic variety within
          races than between races. Features like skull size,
          nostrils are based on genes. Genes are what code for them.
          Variations are due to genetic mutations within a race.
          So you can have such internal differences within one race.
          It doesn’t negate the existence of an overlying race.

        • Shlok

          @JSA, your 1st paragraph doesn’t make any sense – what are you trying to say? I was telling you that Tamils had no problems in understanding Ramayan and Mahabharat owing to their understanding of Sanskirt.

          Your 2nd para is full of maybes and probablys when it comes to understanding Hindu Dharma or Hindus. On the other hand, when Westerners make many sweeping statements about India, do you raise doubts? Such as why did they talk about Aryan invasion or migration to begin with? Since you are a student of science, please furnish proofs. Otherwise, why should we believe in their trash?

          Of course, Krishna and Draupadi are dark skinned. Roopa Ganguly who played Draupadi in Mahabharat is dark skinned

          About N E India, had you carefully read my earlier post, you would have learnt that I clearly mentioned that North Easterns have a clear oral history and tradition of having migrated from South East Asia, this includes the Khasis, the Ahoms, the Reangs, etc. Yes they look different from other Indians because they came from outside. But besides the tribal groups of N E India, the rest of the country is not multiracial.

    • Shlok

      JSA, there was a time when Germans took great pride that they shared the same ancestry as North Indians, of course, their claims being that the Aryans originally came from somewhere in Scandinavia or somewhere close to a Germanic speaking region. At that time, when they propogated their bullshit theories, not a single person came up and said BUT Sir, Indians and Germans don’t look alike. Or North Indians were said to have been of the same racial stock with Iranians, with the British, etc..Even speaking about languages, it is accepted that all ‘Indo-Aryan’ languages are derived from Sanskrit. English itself has thousands of words. Language affinity was the main reason from where these Europeans first realized that ther languages were derived from Sanskrit, and it was from there they started dabbling in their mischievious ideas. So you project yourself as being somewhat of an expert, when you hear two Germans speaking, how much do you think it sounds like Hindi or Punjabi?

      Don’t Tamilian and Punjabis look more alike than Germans and Punjabis?

      In that case, how can you start comparing it with Hindi and Tamil. I have spoken with many Tamil persons who told me they have problem understanding Hindi movies, due to its strong Urdu content, but they lesser problems understanding Ramanand Sagar’s Ramayana and BR Chopra’s Mahabharat. So, Sanskrit is the mother of all languages, including the Indian ones. About DNA and race matter, as I have said before also,it is best that you or Malaydeb do not dabble in issues of which you have no knowledge. At least, you should update yourself with present facts. I say because you menton about ‘the nose’ which was the racist method used by these colonists in the 19th century (measuring the nose!)

      I am pasting you links of various sites as far the matter of DNA and race is concerned. Many are not even Hindutva friendly. Many even say that yes originally North and South Indians may have been different races but look present day North and South Indians have no difference. Present day North and South Indians have the same gene pool. So, even if accept your reasoning that it is mixed, it is mixed ‘so badly’ to use a crude defintiion that all your talk of being able to differentiate between North and South Indians make no sense at all (of course, most Hindutva groups don’t believe even in that. Most of us believe that not only the present day Indians, but even our ancestors belonged to one race / group)

      I will also conclude by saying that I belong to a low-caste in UP, but I am comparatively fair skinned. My schoolmaster and his son, both Brahmins are extremely dark, if a person of your ‘exceptionality’ would place them as being from Kanyakumari or so. So stop using your faulty understanding to justifiy divisions between North and South India

      North and South Indians share same gene pool
      http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/24/stories/2006062412870400.htm

      Aryan – Dravidian divide a myth
      http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-09-25/india/28107253_1_incidence-of-genetic-diseases-indians-trib

      • JSA

        If you believe Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages, I have nothing to say to you since you could be the biggest hypocrite I have ever met. You read only what fits your imagination, you refuse to read anything else. Grow up!!!!

        • ray

          Since you have proved that Rama and Krishna are the Historical charecter
          and as per rightwinger Rama and Krishna are historical characters as well
          incarnation of Visnu (the sustainer,a member of trinity)again about Sanskrit
          it is DEVA BHASHA (the language of deity means God according to righwinger’s norm),you are very much close to right-wingers.
          But what you could do,you middle-winger-a truthseeker-beliver of Rama and
          Krishna as a Historical characters-angry about there look depicted in serials
          -you are solving the matter of rightwingers-as you belived the mixing of
          races started from pre-historic era-you,a true believer of puranas(now
          left-winger would became more angry to you as they want to eliminate
          those charecters from history books ) only one thing left that sanskrit
          (the word *Sanskrit* is originally a term of Sanskrit language whicn mean
          well refined -perfect for religious discourse opposite to prakrit (not well refined
          -wild-not suitable for religious discourses _so according to righwinger Sanskrit came from heaven as it is the language of deity ,the first language
          on earth -not developed by human being -although it found most computer
          friendly ,being a mother of all languages spreaded across the globe and corrupted its shape and became” prakrit “(all other language on earth.
          But according to leftwinger ,Sanskrit is a south asian -european language ,
          ,India is not India but south asia (as called by western news channel),Indian ocean is not indian ocean but south asian ocean.

          • ray

            Sorry…according to western media ,Sanskrit is a south eastern -European
            language, India is not India but South east asia ,and Indian ocean is not
            Indian ocean but south eastern ocean.

            • Indian Realist

              This is just a scheme of the Whites to dilute and ultimately delegitimize the Indian identity. They are trying to assault our nationhood by these tricks. American foreign policy is based on Christian hatred of the pagan civilizations.

              • som

                @Indian Realist
                It is funny to say Indian ocean as south eastern asian ocean and Indian Realist
                as South easten asian Realist.
                Hahaha.

          • Shlok

            @Ray, do you even understand what you are speaking? How much Johnny Walker have you consumed? Jhoom barabar jhoom sharaabi

        • som

          @JSA
          Although ,you do not belive in any God,simultaneously it is rational to say the Universe is not a creation of Human being but if you say it is irrational to say that a language is God ‘s creation,then you are a hypocrite.
          Accordind to right-winger ,Veda was not manmade.
          According to left -winger,language is like a tool,
          developed by human being .

        • Shlok

          @JSA, yes sir, definitely I believe in it. Why don’t you check the websites I sent, rather than thinking and seeing in what your biased vision and eyes make you believe in? I will say it a trillion times Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages. Chapter closed

  9. ra

    @Malaydeb
    Do not spread hetred among Hindu as per instructions of your western masters.

    • OM

      @ra
      It is time to send all invaders, Aryan, Arabs, Turks, back to where they came from. -Malaydeb
      Manufacturing a pan-hindu identity on the basis of ethnicity is a compulsion……nighter more nor less. -Malaydeb
      Now, it cleared the motive of westen ideologist to repeat the episode of Rawanda (Hutu-Tutsi massacre).
      Several church figure and nuns found guilty in this massacre(nearly 2.50
      million died and Rawanda became Christian country.
      So, from Nagaland for Christ, Meghalaya for Christ,Tripura for Christ followed by Telangana for Christ …and finally India for Christ should not
      be welcomed.
      The war is on, the war against deadly coctail of ideology (Christian terrorist
      with the mask of Mao on them), it is not just against unity and integrity of
      as well as democracy of India but also against liberty , the very air , we are breathing.

      • Jaipal

        @OM,

        Malayadeb’s statements are utterly foolish. First of all, there is
        no Aryan race, let alone was there ever an Aryan invasion.
        The Aryan invasion theory has been debunked.
        I recommend you read the excellent scholarly works of Shrikant
        Talageri. He has written 3 masterly works examining the whole
        situation and has conclusively proven that the Indo-European
        homeland where IE languages originated was Northern India.

        There are no Arabs in India. The Arabs were defeated and
        eliminated 30 times by the Indian Hindu Kings of the first millenium.
        The maximum they reached was some parts of Sindh only,
        which is in present day Pakistan, not really India.

        The Turks did invade but stiff Hindu resistance largely killed
        off most of the original Turks in battle, which is why there is
        no Turk community in India today. Compare the situation in the
        Middle east. Turks kept multiplying there which is why today
        30 % of Iran is Turk. Some say it is 50 %.

        Malayadeb is a retard since he doesn’t know proper history.
        He just talks some nonsense.

        • Shlok

          @Jaipal, with due respects. You say, ‘The maximum they reached was some parts of Sindh only, which is in present day Pakistan, not really India’
          Of course, Sindh is India, of course West Punjab is India, East Bengal is India. If not politically, but culturally of course. By the way, before Prithviraj Chauhan, Raja Chach and Dahir Sen of Sind, the last great Hindu kings there, had defeated the Arabs 13 times. Obviously, Hindu ignorance of Muslims aggressiveness and fanaticism started from there. Each time, whenever the Arabs lost and surrendered they were set free. Of course, the moment that Dahir Sen was killed by Mohamed bin Qasim, through treachery of course, the very 1st thing bin Qasim did was to destroy Hindu temples, force people to accept Islam and rape women. So, in order to go ‘one up manship’ with this Malaydeb, don’t compromise on facts. Any losses that we historically suffered in present day India and Bangladesh is ccollective Hindu loss. Besides that, some Arab and Turkish communities did settle all over India. Right up to Bijapur, where Afzal Khan was an Afghan. However, their numbers were few and far between. And besides that, if at all there is some foreign blood somewhere, then it may exist in some Muslim communities, but again here and there. It is so scanty that in general, not much difference can be seen in general Hindu and Muslim communities. However, the point is that fine, if at all there is some foreign element, it is in the Muslim communities. Obviously, none of these Muslims became Hindus – it was difficult for Hindus to be Hindus, what to think of Muslims becoming Hindus? So, the conclusion. If there is a foreign element, it exists in small number of Musllms. Chapter close

          • Jaipal

            @Shlok,

            Thank you brother for your response. I agree with you for the most
            part. But what I meant to say is that Indian Hindu Kings were
            successful in defeating and keeping the Arabs at bay when
            most other peoples easily succumbed and got converted.
            But Indians were easily able to beat back the Arabs and confine
            them to the Frontier. The Islamic world you see today,
            is largely a product of Arab conquest.

            The foreign invaders were largely killed off which is why you don’t
            see them today. Most of these foreign Muslims never spoke
            Indian languages even when they had been born in India,
            so the absence of any Arabic or Turkic speakers is because
            many of them were killed off by Hindu forces in battle.

            The area that is Pakistan and Bangladesh had actually been
            reconquered by Indian forces like the Marathas and Sikhs from
            the Alien Muslims. But Because of British colonialism, and
            the machinations before independence, Pakistan came into
            existence, as well as Bangladesh.

            But that still doesn’t change the fact that Indian Hindus fought and
            finally emerged victorious then in this struggle against Islamic
            enemies which is why India remained Hindu. Otherwise,
            think what could have been the alternative fate?

            • Shlok

              @Jaipal, of course overall you are correct. Neverthless what I was trying to emphasize is that present day Pakistan and Bangladesh are non-different from Indian / Hindu civilization. Talking about present day Bangladesh, the Sena and Pala rulers of Bengal ruled over both sides of Bengal. There was never any division. Many of Bengal’s revolutionaries were born in East Bengal. Historically also, the Mauryas, the Gupta, etc. all ruled over both Bengals. So also with Sind and West Punjab. All the great Hindu empires ruled over here. Even the world’s oldest university, Takshashila was in West Punjab. One of the sapta – sindhu rivers of the Vedas, Sindhu flows chiefly in Sind province. Coming to medieval times, our brave Sindhi, West Punjabi and East Bengali brothers and sisters bravely fought with the invaders. Many Kutchi Hindus of Kutch (Gujarat) have a family history that their ancestors fought bravely with Muslims and then had to flee to Kutch when things got tough and so on. In many respects, we need to look up to our Sindhi brothers because off and on Sind was ruled by Muslims for nearly 1,100 years, and yet the ancestors of Sindhi Hindus today refused to convert. Or, the Kashmiri Pundits. Imagine, all around Kashmiri Hindus converted under duress but Pundits preferred to die rather than convert. There is a Hindu community in Balauchistan, an area which was under Muslims for 1,200 years who refused to convert. So, Hindus all over India have fought back, not like the Iranians, Iraqis, Egyptians, etc who collapsed since they couldn’t withstand the Islamic conquest. No wonder iqbal had lamented that the great ship of Islam sank in the Ganga. Sorry if I was a little strong in my earlier post, however all of us Hindus are together and we support each other 100%. Lets work for Hindu Rashtra

              • Jaipal

                @Shlok,

                Your post was great. Yes, we Hindus need to stick together
                and support one another. Hindu Rashtra is the only solution
                to India’s problems. Much of the injustice, corruption,misgovernance,
                can be easily solved once a Hindu Rashtra is built.

                Secularism is basically nothing but a platform for the anti-national
                and anti-Hindu forces, inimical to Hindus and India.

  10. Indian

    DNA of Indians is the same , whether you are from North, East, West or South. If anybody has any PRIMARY EVIDENCE, contrary to this fact, let us hear it.

  11. OM

    MOTHER OF ALL CIVILIZATION -SARASWATI CIVILIZATION-9000B.C.
    Saraswati which was wider than Amezon started drying up due to tectonic
    shifts , which blocked the glaciers , gradually the whole river was burried
    under the Thar desert.
    Due to that reason the whole elite migrated to fertile land , toward south west of India, Goa to Kerela, some went to Mesopotamia and Sumeria.
    Emperor Vikramaditya , the Vaidic ruler in 7000B.C.ruled from Jerusalem to
    Ural to Vietnam.
    The black stones at Jerusalem, Petra, Mecca all were endorsed in this era.

    • mybest

      A few Vaidic hymns which mention Saraswati appended below:
      ambitame naditame devitame Saraswati (11.41.16)
      (the best mother , the best river, the best Goddess Saraswati)
      maho arnah saraswati pra cetayati ketuna dhiyo visha virajati (1.3.12)
      (Saraswati like a great ocean appears with her ray, she rules all aspirations)

    • mybest

      Borewell have been dug along the length of hidden and and extinct Saraswati river to obtain sweet water , and extract riverbed shell molluscs.
      Our Indian satellites have done underground mapping of Saraswati river.
      Rig veda was written in 5000B.C.on the B.C.
      Mahabharata war happened in 5000B.C. at Kurushetra.
      On Indus valley civilization Mohanjodaro, teblets of 3000 B.C.images of
      Lord Krishna (in baby form) seen.

      • som

        The rig veda was written on the banks of Saraswati River.

        • Jaipal

          @Som,

          The Rig-Veda was written in an area between the Saraswati river
          and Ganga river. In the oldest Mandala of Rig Veda, the Ganga
          is mentioned as the oldest home of the composers of Rig Veda.

    • som

      Interestingly , The Archological survey of India’s National museum says:
      “It is now clear , that the Harappan civilization was the gift of two rivers-the Indus and the Saraswati -not the Indus alone

  12. ray

    @JSA
    So,you are in middle wing.

  13. ray

    @JSA
    You are of your own type.
    So,you middlewinger,do not stop to say anything.
    If you are not belongs to any wing,only a truthseeker(that every should ),prove it.

  14. ray

    @JSA
    Since, you do not beleve in any God,you have proved that Rama and Krishna are the
    historical charecter,
    Keep it up,you have pleased the rightwingers (may be leftwinger became
    angry ,but do not bother)

    • Jaipal

      @Ray,

      The historicity of Rama and Krishna has nothing to do with
      Left winger or Right winger as you falsely imagine.

      Yes, Rama and Krishna were historical figures as they came from
      tribes and dynasties which were historically in existence.
      Indian tradtional memory has always considered them as historical.

      Can you prove that they were myths??

      If not, then keep quite.

  15. som

    According to righwinger,all incarnation ot Visnu were Black complexioned and the wife of Visnu have white complexion on her possession (found from ocean after
    SAMUDRAMANTHAN)

  16. som

    @cnm
    Is it necessary the concept of one nation
    should be related to race,DNA etc.
    It is the conspiracy of of western ideologist that they want to bulkanize india ,if Soviet russia was divided into
    16 independent nation ,Yogoslavia was
    devided into 4 independent nation,why
    shouldn’t India would be devided .
    Here we should expose that motive.
    The one think we have to do.
    Another thing it was proved, as it was
    not incorporated in school curriculum,
    in history books which is Aryan Migration
    theory (not aryan invasion theory).

    • Jaipal

      @Som,

      Aryan Migration Theory has not been proved.
      It is just a variation of the Aryan Invasion Theory.
      The AMT, is false. It has been debunked.

      I recommend you read the well written and scholarly
      books written by Shrikant Talageri.

      He has proven that Aryans were from India and not from
      the outside.

    • Jaipal

      @Som,

      The Western ideologists do not understand India.
      India is not Europe, or Soviet Union, or Yugoslavia.
      What they fail to comprehend is that India is India.

      India is a civilizational nation in its own right with its own unique
      evolution. In other words, we are a Hindu civilization nation.
      Historically, we always considered ourselves as belonging
      to a holy land bounded by the Himalayas in the north and
      the Indian ocean in the south. We considered ourselves
      as sharing a common civilizational/spiritual heritage known
      as Sanatan Dharma. We also recognized and enthroned a
      common language called Sanskrit across the country.

      Our Hindu political traditions have always emphasized the
      the drive for political union under a common emperor, called
      Samrat/Chakravartin. We have Vedic rituals like Rajasuya Yagna
      which means imperial sacrifice done by a worthy Emperor,
      after bringing the realm under the control.

      There were many Hindu empires which actively sought and brought
      much of the country together during various times in history.
      This is not the case with Europe., Soviet union or Yugoslavia.
      Indians had a much earlier conception of nationhood based on our
      own perspective, long before the above three ever did.

  17. som

    UPA Govt.approved Aryan Migraton Theory

  18. The then Chief Minister Karunanidhi’s scandalous act of releasing nine jihadis from prison on the birth anniversary of Annadurai and commuting their specified sentences has to be viewed in the backdrop of the fact that 12 most wanted terrorists are prowling free in Tamil Nadu. They include Abu baker Siddique alias Kakka (7 cases), Ayub alias Ashraf Ali (9 cases), Mohammed Ali alias Yunus alias Mansoor (3 cases), Mujib-ur Rahman alias Muji (5 cases), Rasool Mydeen (2 cases), Jaguar Sadiq alias Tailor Raja alias Valarntha Raja (5 cases), Toufeeque (2 cases), Mushtaq Ahmed (Chennai RSS headquarters blast case), and Ibrahim, Ashraf Ali, Noohi NP alias Mankave Rasheed and Kunju Mohammed alias Gani (all Coimbatore blast case).

  19. som

    The Hindu nation must rue the day Aurobindo abandoned his kurukshetra, the political arena, to seek refuge in spiritualism, leaving the field open to Gandhi who not only unmanned the Hindu kshatriya but also led the freedom struggle towards vivisection. Ascendant Islam in 2013 and jihad is only continuation in perpetuity of the Moplah Massacre, Bengal riots, and genocide in J&K. Hindus with political sense did not stop the Muslim League or the creation of Pakistan. They did not check Gandhi or Nehru; they are unable to check Afzal Guru, Syed Basha or Imam Ali. Perhaps the time has come for Hindus to feel hatred as a form of rajas to overcome the physical and intellectual tamas paralysing us.

    • karan

      @som
      This can only happens when we hindus assert in a big way.
      The upbringing of hindus plays big role. Parents are too strict and too much of control kills the ability to react .

      INTEGRAL HUMANISM OR HINDUTVA

      Late Shri Dindayal Upadhyaya has argued that Western political philosophies are not acceptable as a blueprint for society because of their “preoccupation” with materialism, and their overlooking of the social well being of the individual. He saw both capitalism and socialism as essentially flawed – stimulating as they do greed, class antagonisms, exploitation and social anarchy.

      His proposal was an “integral” approach that attempts to create a harmonious society. This could be done, he argued, by satisfying the needs of the body (hunger, shelter), the mind (traditions), intelligence (reforms), and the soul (common aspirations of a people that shape their unique culture).

      Upadhyaya said that each nation creates institutions to satisfy needs, and these must be reshaped so that group solidarity can be sustained and maintained under changing circumstances. He argues that Indian tradition builds on the social nature of people and obliges them to create institutions meant to enhance social solidarity.

      Advaita vedanta, or the principle of recognising ourselves in all life, is seen as the philosophic underpinning of this view.

      Hindutva (not Hinduism) Concept in the 1960s
      It was first presented by Pandit Deendayal Upadhyaya in the form of four lectures delivered in Bombay on April 22-25, 1965. It distinguishes Indian systems from other prevalent systems like communism and capitalism.

      Hindutva, unlike many of us believe, is actually an evolving political order that challenges the status quo in the South Asian political power dynamics most dominated by Islam and Western secularism (including communism). For centuries Hindutva was trying to evolve but considered to be retrograde/casteist and destructive like Islamism. It is now taking the challenge to reshape Hindutva as a global political order based on Intergral Humanism as proposed by BJP. If it can achieve this, the political/economical and security set up of entire South Asia and South East Asia will change.

      Hindutva want to achieve something that Vijaynagar wanted to achieve in 15th century. Shivaji and Lachit wanted to achieve in 17th century. Ranjit Singh wanted to achieve in 19th-20th century. Sardar Patel wanted to achieve in 20th century. They all failed because of the great and potent challenge of Islam and West. It is most unlikely that Hindutva will be successful now as the both antagonist forces Islam and West are way more powerful than Indian nationalism. It is most likely that India might actually give way to breaking up of Kashmir and Assam (now mostly a Muslim majority place) and North East.

      But Hindutva wants to give a fight nonetheless. And this time for shaping up of Hindutva, a dormant political order of South Asia. Thus, action of Hindutva is more significant .

      In May 2011, the Vairagad Gram Panchayat in Maharashtra unanimously passed a resolution proposing that Narendra Modi adopt their village. Modi’s visit to Rajasthan in May 2012 generated a phenomenal response from among the people there. The fact that Modi has a huge fan following in a city like Chennai itself is a pointer to the shape of things to come. Punjab and Haryana too are no exceptions to this as we saw earlier this year. But this in itself isn’t everything. The other side is more significant. It concerns the sheer goodwill that Modi has earned. The kind of goodwill that has seen legions of his supporters who rise up to defend Modi against even the smallest criticism.

      THIS IS THE RISE OF ” HINDUTVA.”

      Hopefully pure conscience of Hindutva will win over the dirty mind set and India will taste the fruits of development,able administration, social justice and equality so far only debated and written in papers.

      There’s a definite and perceptive Modi wave across the country over the last 10 years now. The kind of development that Gujarat has achieved under Modi’s leadership is now the stuff of legends. The same people who once chastised Modi as anti-Muslim and mass-murderer are now singing his praises. And when the Supreme Court-appointed SIT exonerated Modi in the riots cases, the secular English media had to lock up their collective mouths.

      Simultaneously, countries like China, Japan and England are making a beeline to do business with Gujarat.

      Indeed it is the victory of Intergral Humanism ( introduced by Late Shri Dindayal Upadhyay) or Hindutva over Congress/Communism/anti-nationalism.

      Indeed, several in the Gujarat bureaucracy are upset with Modi: “he doesn’t eat, he doesn’t let us eat.” (na khaata hai, na khaane deta hai). Any business house wishing to set up shop in Gujarat is given single window clearance.

  20. karan

    If the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving people, do non-Muslims really have anything to worry about?

    Ans:THEY SHOULD BE PROTECTED BY GREAT HINDU FORCES.

    Muslims throw flowers of love on RSS

    Interview of Anwar ji – A Muslim RSS Swamsevak. A Patriotic musim, Anwar ji gives befitting replies to all RSS Bashers.

    Question asked here is “Who is a hindu and what is Hindu Rashtra (Hindu Country) according to RSS and where do patriotic Muslims and Christians stand?”

    The person who disliked this video is? DIGVIJAY SINGH

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