Fifteen Indian Inventions and Discoveries That Shaped the Modern World

Excellent eye-opening articles about the achievements of ancient Indians that changed the world. It is a five part series on Huffington Post by Abhaey Singh. Three more parts are to come as a build-up to the Independence Day. If I miss them, please check out Abhaey’s Huffington Post Page by clicking here. We should all feel proud that when most of Europe was in stone age, we were coming up discoveries and belief systems that require high intellectual refinement.

Fifteen Indian Inventions and Discoveries That Shaped the Modern World – Part 1

Fifteen Indian Inventions and Discoveries That Shaped the Modern World – Part II

According to the celebrated American author of The Story of Civilization, Will Durant, “It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier, India has sent to the West such gifts as grammar and logic, philosophy and fables, hypnotism and chess, and above all numerals and the decimal system.

India was the mother of our race and Sanskrit the mother of Europe’s languages. She was the mother of our philosophy, mother through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics, mother through Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity, mother through village communities of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all.”

This history is what needs to be taught in our schools. Instead, we have hate literature about Hindu civilization written by communists as standard text books for young and impressionable Hindu children who, after getting such “education,” suffer from life-long inferiority complex about their identity, religion and country. But then that was the original purpose of the communist historians unleashed by Nehru on the hapless Hindus.

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148 responses to “Fifteen Indian Inventions and Discoveries That Shaped the Modern World

  1. After so many discoveries and inventions 70% of Indians are still lacking toilet facilities. And who do we blame? Monotheists, Gandhi, Nehru, Marx, Mao, Johny Walker, Shakti Kapoor and Johny Lever. India would have been prosperous and a very different country today, if we had Nathuram Godse as our first PM.

    • Shlok

      @Cynical, actually Patel or Bose should have been our 1st PM, not the Stalin and Mao chamcha, Nehru. For sure had Sardar or Netaji been there we would have been a stronger nation than China. Jai Hind

      • @Shlok
        Why you prefer Sardar or Netaji over Nathuram? The one I recommend for India’s first PM? Don’t you know that in spite of occasional difference of opinion both Sardar Patel and Netaji never spoke a word against Gandhi? IMO both of them were Gandhi’s chamchas. Only the father Nathuram (PBUH) was not a Gandhi chamcha, and that’s why he could pull the trigger when it mattered. Actually Nathuram will be christened as the father of the Indian nation once NaMo (also known as Isaac Newton Jnr.) becomes the PM of India.

        • Indian Realist

          If you love Gandhi so much, why don’t you follow his philosophy in letter and spirit? I can tell you what it is.

          • Who told you, that I love Gandhi? I am in love with Nathuram baba. And I don’t care if you accuse me of being a homo ’cause I love baba Nathram.

            • cnm

              @ cynical.
              That’s great so you have started learning Patriotism.

              • What makes you think that I have started learning patriotism now? And that I didn’t know it before I met you?

                • cnm

                  @cynical
                  It is your love for Nathuram Baba who is unquestionably a great patriot. Do not mind I will make you know a lot of things.

                  • So like @Shlok, you too don’t understand tongue-in-cheek comments. Not surprised though. Extremists, fundamentalists etc. usually lack sense of humour. By the way Nathuram had RSS influence and as such should be the last person to learn patriotism from. In another comment I have provided a sample of patriotism from the great Hindu warrior Savarkar. May be you missed it, but again you may have wished to remain quiet.

                    • cnm

                      @ cynical

                      I am amazed that a master of tongue-in-cheek comments fail to understand the irony in my comments.

                    • cnm

                      @cynical
                      “Extremists, fundamentalists etc. usually lack sense of humour.”
                      Let me add a few more to your above given terms. Communalists, Reactionaries, fascists, obscurantists, conservatives. You can call me by any name. I just love them.

                    • @cnm
                      For once I agree with you. You have been very honest and truthful in claiming all those titles (adjectives) for youself. Only problem is that your hatred for others will consume you first before it does others.

                    • cnm

                      @ cynical
                      No this is for the second time you have agreed with me. First time you agreed with me when made my analysis of the BJP.
                      ” Only problem is that your hatred for others will consume you first before it does others.”
                      Thank you for the curse. Believe whenever I am cursed by an anti-Hindu I muster more strength to attack them.

            • Shlok

              @Cynical, if you were in the Muslim world, you would be either be sentenced to death or else long imprisonment due to your homosexuality. If you were in Uganda, where the church is very strong, you would also be given capital punishment. In India, homosexuality is not accepted in society but it is tolerated. So thank your stars that you can be gay and still live in India

              • @Shlok
                It’s obvious that you don’t understand what a ‘tongue-in-cheek’ comment is.

                • cnm

                  @ cynical
                  What about my comment my dear friend given above in response to your third rate Tongue-in-comment.

                • Shlok

                  @Cynical, to hell with your ‘tongue in cheek’. If you tell me that you were drunk yesterday, I can only sing ‘Jhoom barabar jhoom sharaabi’ to you. If you say that you are guy, there is no reason why i should deny your homosexuality.

                  • I didn’t tell you that I was drunk. I said that I was DRINKING. Learn to differentiate between the two. There is nothing wrong in Drinking. It does not violate Hinduism. Vajpayyee ji will support me. And our Devtas in Swarglok drink ‘Somrasa’.

                    • Shlok

                      @Cynical, you said you were drinking and your writings should not have left any doubt that you were drunk

            • som

              Nathram was homo sapien ( the scientific name for the human species. Homo is the human genus, which also includes Neanderthals and many other extinct species of homonid; H. sapiens is the only surviving species of the genus Homo. Modern humans are the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens, differentiated from their direct ancestor, Homo sapiens idaltu)

          • Aumritash

            Please tell me.

        • Shlok

          @Cynical, well you prefer Godse, I prefer Sardar or Netaji. Here you’ve gotten your facts correct. Sardar never spoke against Gandhi \which is the reason why Gandhi took advantage and appointed Nehru, the self proclaimed ‘last Englishman ruling in India’. As far as Netaji was concerned, he may not have spoken against Gandhi and even named one of his formations after Gandhi, but he completely differed from Gandhi in all respects. Most importantly, he was realistic and pragmatic, Gandhi clung to his ideas even when he was seeing that they were reduntant

          • You are right about Netaji naming one of his formation after Gandhi. But there is more than that. Even from exile before he strated his Military invasion he asked for Gandhi’s blessings and said that despite differences he considered andhi as his leader. Both Netaji and Sardar were men of great intellect, not like illiterate fools who didn’t know who Gandhi was and what he meant to the India’ cause.

            • Y

              Nehru & Subhash – Love-Hate Relationshsip
              Letter to nephew Amiyo Bose in England dated 17/4/1939. Like Baba here is style of Netaji leaving record through letter. “ Nobody has done more harm to me personally and to our cause in this crisis than PANDIT NEHRU. If he had been with us — we would have had a majority… even his neutrality would have given us majority but he was with the old guards at TRIPURI.” (L-112), (B-90)
              Nehru said in a public speech that if Subhash marches with his army in India he would himself fight against him. Guwahati news of Hindustan Times. (R-712) & (G-477)
              http://netajibosemysteryrevealed.org/nehru-subhash-love-hate-relationshsip/

        • karan

          @Cynical
          Why we prefer Sardar Ballav Bhai Patel?
          Patel took charge of the task to forge a united India from the British colonial provinces allocated to India and more than five hundred self-governing princely states, released from British suzerainty by the Indian Independence Act 1947. Using frank diplomacy, backed with the option and use of military force, Patel’s leadership persuaded almost every princely state which did not have a Muslim majority to accede to India. Often known as the “Iron Man of India” or “Bismarck of India”, he is also remembered as the “Patron Saint” of India’s civil servants for establishing modern all-India services.
          In the 1946 election for the Congress presidency, Patel stepped down in favour of Nehru at the request of Gandhi. The election’s importance stemmed from the fact that the elected President would lead free India’s first Government. Gandhi asked all 16 states representatives and Congress to elect the right person and Sardar Patel’s name was proposed by 13 states representatives out of 16, but Patel respected Gandhi’s request to not be the first prime minister. As the first Home Minister,
          SO,SARDAR PATEL NOT REACTED LIKE NETAJI SUBHASH CHANDRA BOSE.
          JInnah silently sent in some troops across to Kashmir and started creating troubles.Patel sent our troops and there was clear victory for our troops as the infiltrators were successfully repulsed..
          Alas!Despite this Nehru referred this Kashmir issue to UN which was totally opposed by Sardar Patel..He said “it is purely an internal matter and why should we refer this to UN”

          Patel said”If only Nehru had listened to my advice,not a single Pakistani wd have been allowed to stay inside Kashmir even for a single day.”Patel went on repeating this to every one and infact took it to Mahatma also.Patel raised this issue in the Congress Working committee and Nehru & Patel were at loggerheads on this issue often..Nehru started showing his hatred towards Patel as Nehru always wanted only Yes men around him.There were Nehru Group & Patel Group in the party.
          Sardar Patel wanted to atleast renovate the famous Somanath temple and Rajendra Prasad,President,attended the same.Nehru was absent.
          In the Nashik Conference,Patel fell sick but he warned ‘that since China has occupied Tibet,India must be very very careful with China..They are not a trustworthy Neighbour..”
          Nehru ddin’t like this also as he wanted to establish a relationship with the Chinese under any circumstances.
          SO,EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
          http://creative.sulekha.com/nehru-was-always-childish-read-sardar-patel-s-views_377547_blog

          https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.hindu/oImi47avJAI/ILATzGPzGToJ

          • My friend after all Patel was a Congress man through thick and thin to the end. He didn’t belong to RSS/Hindu Mahsabha gang. And in any democratic set up there will be different opinions, that is healthy too. But Nehru and Patel despite having ocassional differences had huge respect for each other.

            • Y

              Who is belongs to RSS/Hindu Mahsabha gang???
              These Hindu cultural foundation are not so strong,
              Nehru and Patel despite having ocassional respect had huge differences
              http://creative.sulekha.com/nehru-was-always-childish-read-sardar-patel-s-views_377547_blog
              Nehru pressured bureaucrats not to attend the funeral of Sardar Patel

              • Shlok

                @Cynical, Muslims always considered Sardar as anti-Muslim so much that Rafiq Zakaria had to write an entire book on that subject. Patel was favorably disposed to the Hindus. It was only because of Sardar’s blessings that the Somnath Temple was allowed to function again.

                • cnm

                  @Sholk

                  Sardar Patel once told Gandhi in no uncertain terms that those Muslims who were not loyal to India had no business to stay in India. He further informed Gandhi that he had no doubt that a majority of Indian Muslims were not loyal to India. Sardar was a no nonsense politician and unquestionably the most pragmatic of the Indian leaders.

    • som

      @Cynical
      May be toilet had not been invented in India.

      • karan

        @som
        26th century BC: Flush toilets were first used in the Indus Valley Civilization. The cities of Harappa and Mohenjo-daro had a flush toilet in almost every house, attached to a sophisticated sewage system.
        But. many discoveries and inventions 70% of Indians are still lacking toilet facilities

        • Hari

          I THINK IT IS THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTION FROM INDIANS , APART FROM THAT THEY ARE NOT USING IT.

        • Hari

          @karan
          But how you can say it is Indian contribution, now,this place is situated in Pakistan.
          May be Pakistani have more toilet facility than Indians

    • ravi

      The only disqualification of Nathuram Godse as our first PM is that he was not son of Multimillionaire Motilal Nehru ,to whom Gandhi made promises( to collect heavy bucks for his requirements ,because Gandhi was tired collect “CHANDA “door -to-door. )

    • ravi

      @Cynical
      Johny Walker, Shakti Kapoor and Johny Lever were not responsible for lacking toilet facilities for 70% of Indians because they are follower of Cynical .
      This credit does to Cynical ,because how he could give credit to their
      student ,who are learning “how to pass.‘tongue-in-cheek’ comments”
      from “Academy of Cynical for lunatic studies”

    • karan

      @Cynical
      How we can blame to Monsters like Monotheists, Marx and Mao for lacking toilet facilities.to 70% of Indians ,These three monsters are busy to destroy rest 30% toilets of India.

    • karan

      @Cynical
      Gandhi may be responsible for lacking toilet facilities for 70% of Indians
      because he was in favor of old fashioned toilets ,which are not fulfilled the present norms of W.H.O.

  2. Indian

    At last some sense in ” Cynical’s” comment. I won’t go as saying PBUH. That is reserved for the head of a desert cult, which I believe our friend belongs to. Yes, Godse was a true patriot and a man who carefully thought out his action, and who accepted his death without any regret as a result. His action was cruel. yes, but essential at that time.His mistake? He/his colleagues should have done what he did at least 20 years earlier. Gandhi was a cancerous growth on the Indian independence movement and radical surgery was in order. Gandhi made Indians eunuchs and was happy to be ruled by the British until late 1930s.

    • How ungrateful the Hindu right is! You give a bad name to the sacred traditions of Indians. Without Gandhi we would have been a country like Pakistan, or Sudan, or Bosnia. Interestingly those who deride Gandhi are the very people who have made little or no contribution at all in the independence movement. Worst still is the fact that some even worked as the informer of British security apparatus. There is a saying that, ‘Children of the revolution are always ungrateful….’. It’s like a hog under a tree eating acorns, but never looking up to see where they come from.

      • Indian Realist

        Without Gandhi we would have been a country like Pakistan, or Sudan, or Bosnia.

        You are pretending as if Hindus also behave like monotheists and need to be constantly kept in check by messages of brotherhood and non-violence. Was India ever like Pakistan in its 6,000 year old history? Gandhi was only born recently.

        • I was not talking abot 6000 years. I said ‘would have become’. Don’t you know the differences between various tenses in english grammar? Don’t you know what is a ‘Past subjunctive’? How daft one can be!

          • Anonymous

            You sure about your facts that India would have turned into pakiland, or Bosnia ? Do you know the difference between pakiland and Bosnia ? Facts will follow along with links, so do some reading prior to posting.

      • cnm

        @ cynical
        “Without Gandhi we would have been a country like Pakistan, or Sudan, or Bosnia’

        But with Gandhi we would have been worse than Pakistan and Sudan.
        “Interestingly those who deride Gandhi are the very people who have made little or no contribution at all in the independence movement.”

        But Gandhi himself has no contribution to freedom movement. Had you not done away with your reading habit you would not have repeated ad nausea this trash of Gandhi’s contribution to Freedom Struggle. I now reproduce it once again.
        cnm
        July 12, 2013 at 10:17 am
        @ cynical,
        The more I read your comments the more I become sure as to the the fact that that you are an incurable anti–Hindu. For your love for that megalomaniac Gandhi read this excerpt from the third volume of great Historian R.C Majumdar’s “History of the Freedom Movement in India”.(page 609-610)
        ” We are now in a position to assert with confidence that the formation of I.N.A was one of the major grounds for the decision of the British Government to quit India. This was admitted by no less a person than Clement Attlee, the head of the British Government which conceived the idea of granting freedom to India and carried out the decision in spite of the opposition of the die-hard Conservatives Churchill. This is proved by the ( English translation of the) following extract of a letter written in Bengli by Shri P.B Chkravarti, ex-Chief Justice of the High Court of Calcutta, on 30.03.76.” When I was acting as Governerof West Bengal(in 1956) Lord Attlee who gave India freedom by putting an end to the British rule, visited India and stayed in the Rajbahvan, Calcutta for two days. I had then a long talk with him about the real grounds for the voluntary withdrawal of the British from India. I put it straight to him like this:

        ” The Quit India Movement of Gandhi practically died out long before 1947 and there was nothing in Indian situation at that time which made it necessary for the British to leave India in a hurry. Why did they then so? In reply Attlee cited several reasons, the most important of which were the activities of Netaji Subhas Chandrad Bose which weakened the very foundation of the attachment of Indian Land land and naval forces to the British Government. Towards the end I asked Lord Attlee about the extent to which the British decision to quit India was influenced by Gandhi’s activities. On hearing this questionAttlee’s lips widened in smile of disdain and he uttered , slowly, putting emphasis on each single letter,- ” mi-ni-mal”.

        Gandhi had committed innumerable blunders during his life time that that greatly harmed the Hindus and are still hurting the Hindus. But the one that harmed HINDUS the most was the one that allowed that thoroughly westernized rudderless, arch anti-Hindu to become the Pm of India.
        First read the above then respond. And do not ever run away like you have run away from “look at Those Traitors”.

        • @cnm
          This R.C.Mazumdar thing is an old hash and I am aware of it. R.C.Mazumdar is not the only historian of the world, nor does he have a monopoly over history. Without getting into the relative merits of different types of history writing, it can safely be said that R.C.Mazumdar falls into the old school of narrative historians as compared with more modern school of Depictive and analytical history. These ‘who said what in whose drawing room’ type of history can spice up a discussion in a tea shop. But more serious students of history will go for opinions supported by documents (letters, govt. records, transcription of speeches etc) and relics from the past.

          • cnm

            @ cynical
            “But more serious students of history will go for opinions supported by documents (letters, govt. records, transcription of speeches etc) and relics from the past.”
            Opinion supported by documents. ha ha ha. When have supported your opinions by documents. I have never seen a shred of evidence adduced by you on beef eating in the Vedas.

            ‘This R.C.Mazumdar thing is an old hash and I am aware of it. R.C.Mazumdar is not the only historian of the world, nor does he have a monopoly over history’

            So you are aware that RC Majumdar is old hash. Now it appears from your statement that you have read some of his writings if not all. Now, which of Majumdar’s writings have made you pass these comments on him regarded to be a great Historian by many? Why Majumdar is narrative Historian? What are the qualities that separate him from your depictive and analytical Historians. Kindly name a few Depictive and analytical Historians.

            • I can name a few India, but I am sure will hit the roof and start crying…Marxist….Macaulay’s child etc. So let me name Wendy Doniger, author of ‘The Hindus. An alternative history’. And by the way I must say here, I do have profound respect for R C Mazumdar as a scholar historian, but at the same time I recognise the limitations he had to endure because of lack of source material and fund required to study and explore ancient history in his time.

              • ooops.. Sorry, “a few Indians”

              • Shlok

                @Cynical, good you’ve made yourself clear where you stand. Besides Wendy Doniger, you could have named Jeffrey Kripal, Michel Witzel, Romila Thapar, etc.. These persons are just like you. State something without any sense. When challenged, ignore it. Then come with a new allegation. I am aware that alcoholics can barely stand on their feet, what to speak of reading and understanding, but whenever you are in a sober mood, read ‘Invading the sacred….’ which details the way Hinduism is being taught in US universities, and in the hands of mentally unstable Indologists who even attempt using Freudian pschyoanalysis to define Hinduism, but dare not do the same for other religions. It is absolute discrimination that practising Hindus are not allowed to write about Hinduism, whereas that right is enjoined to other religions. I am happy that you’ve already shown where you stand. You definitely live up to the name of CYNICAL

                • Hari

                  @Shlok
                  How you are expecting him as a friendly, fun-loving, participating ,sociable believing, hopeful, optimistic, trusting and undoubting because his is contemptuous, derisive, ironic, misanthropic, misanthropist, mocking, pessimistic, sarcastic, sardonic, scoffing, scornful, skeptical, sneering, suspicious, unbelieving and wry as per his good name i.e.CYNICAL .

                • @Shlok
                  Did you notice that all those Historians that you have named are so uneducated and under qualified than you and your friends.

                  • Y

                    All are well qualified .
                    This is all about our historians Sri Aurobindo,Koenraad Elst,Arun Shourie,Francois Gautier,Sita Ram Goel,Sandhya Jain,David Frawley and many more and about our friends.

                    http://voiceofdharma.org/authors.html

                  • cnm

                    @cynical
                    ” Did you notice that all those Historians that you have named are so uneducated and under qualified than you and your friends”.
                    So you have resorted to the hated habit of asking the rebutter about his qualifications when cornered in a conversation.

                  • Shlok

                    @Cynical, yes you are correct. These historians may be carrying diplomas but they are indeed most uneducated as far as Hindu Dharma is concerned

              • Indian Realist

                Why should you read books about Hinduism by known Hindu haters? Do you do the same for Islam?

                • Honestly I do. But that apart, I found Wendy Doniger very respectful of Hinduism. Actually she appears to be in love with Hinduism, but at the same time has very little respect for Internet Hindu types.

                  • Ramesh

                    @Cynical
                    What is the difference between Internet hindu and non- Internet hindu ???

                  • Y

                    @Cynical
                    What is the difference between Internet Hindu and non- Internet Hindu???

                  • cnm

                    @ I know she is respectful of Hinduism and she displays her respect of Hinduism by profaning venerable Hindu icons like Sri Ram and Devi Sita. A unique way of expressing respect.

                  • Shlok

                    @Cynical, looks like Wendy Doniger is sitting right next to you, you know her so well

                  • karan

                    @Cynical
                    Wendy Doniger has very little respect for Internet Hindu types or Hindu in general???

                    Aithough Her use of psychoanalysis is widely considered controversial,

                    Rajeev Malhotra claimed that Hinduism was being demonized to create shame amongst Hindu youth.by Wendy Doniger.

                    She has faced regular criticism from those who consider her work to be disrespectful of Hinduism in general.”

                    In March 2010, Hindu American Foundation co-founder and urologist Aseem Shukla debated elements of the book The Hindus: An Alternative History with Doniger on a Washington Post-sponsored blog on faith and religion, and accused her of SEXUALISING and EXOTICISING SOME OF THE HOLIEST PASSAGES IN THE HINDU SCRIPTURES.
                    Doniger replied that her book has sold well in India and asked her critics to show specifically where her interpretations of texts were wrong

                    • som

                      SO SHE WILL CONTINUED SEXUALISING EXOTICISING OF HOLIEST PASSAGES OF HINDU SCRIPTURES ,AND IF SOMEBODY WILL OBJECT,
                      THEN SHE WILL ABUSE HIM .

                    • som

                      @Cynical
                      So,this is devine right of monothesist Wendy Doniger to wage war against
                      Hinduism through “ABUSE CRUSADE”.

              • cnm

                @cynical
                I rarely went wrong when it comes to recognizing ant-Hindus. I was expecting you to be a product of the notoriously anti-Hindu school of Historians lead by Witzel. But you turned out to be a Doniger’s pet.
                “at the same time I recognise the limitations he had to endure because of lack of source material and fund required to study and explore ancient history in his time.”
                Can you enlighten us what was the source material that RC Majumdar lacked which Doniger managed to gather ?

                By the way ,why don’t you produce some gems from Doniger’s mystifying (for you) book to bring out which she so ‘depictively’ and ‘analytically’ conducted research?

                • Shlok

                  @Cnm, Doniger’s book itself is called Alternate History. So, I can write an alternate History of Christians in which I claim that Che Guevara was the incarnation of Jesus Christ because when he was killed, his body appeared as if in the crucifying form. What would Christians think about it? Got the message?. Unfortunately, people like Doniger and Witzel are being supported by vested evangelical and Western interests thats why even without knowing Sanskrit or having seriously studied Hindu scriptures, they can be considered as authorities. Of course, both of them swear by the grandmother of Marxist / leftist historians, Romila Thapar, who should be considered as a criminal for the bastardisation of history. She even pales in comparison with her own guru, DD Kosambi, who still spoke the truth sometimes.

                  • So Doniger has no knowledge of Sanskrit! For you information, She holds a doctorate in Sanskrit and is the author of several translations of Sanskrit texts. She knows more about Hindu texts that most of the Internet Hindus.

                    • cnm

                      @cynical
                      So Doniger has no knowledge of Sanskrit! For you information, She holds a doctorate in Sanskrit and is the author of several translations of Sanskrit texts. She knows more about Hindu texts that most of the Internet Hindus.
                      Even my sister is a Doctorate in Sanskrit. But I find her knowledge of Sanskrit is rather poor. What you call translations are in fact newer editions of the translations(?) done by scoundrels like maxmuller.

                      Why don’t you buy it and read for yourself? It’s available with Penguin India at a very reasonable price of Rs.999, yes Rs.999 exactly
                      Have bought the Veads ? First purchase them read them.

                    • Shlok

                      @Cynical, people like Griffiths considered themselves masters as Sanskrit. Many British historians were torn apart by persons like Dayanand Saraswati and others for their deliberate and mischievious mis-translations. Don’t give me that shit about her translating Sanskrit texts as a sign of her knowledge. Who commissioned her to do these translations. During colonial times, Katherine Mayo was considered as an authority on India, she was supposed to have written the most well-researched book on India, but her ‘Mother India’ was considered as a ‘gutter report’ by no less a person that your idol, Mahatma Gandhi. Mayo was hands in gloves with the colonial powers and missionaries back home. It may also come as a shock to you but Romila Thapar also does not read the original texts in Sanskrit, but bases her ‘research’ on the translated English ones written by Griffiths and Jones among others.

                • Why don’t you buy it and read for yourself? It’s available with Penguin India at a very reasonable price of Rs.999, yes Rs.999 exactly.

                  • Shlok

                    @Cynical, I have read Wendy Doniger’s writings on the net. She writes crap. And why are you suggesting me to read her junk? You should be reading Rajiv Malhotra, whom persons like Doniger are afraid to face in debates?

            • cnm

              @ cynical

              You have still to answer theses
              “Why Majumdar is narrative Historian? What are the qualities that separate him from your depictive and analytical Historians. ”

              When you feel like running away in the face of theses questions do not forget the de facto PM matter we have discussed somewhere.

              • karan

                @cnm
                Cynical is much qualified on his tongue cleaner comments because tongue cleaner is not INDIAN INVENTION.

              • A short answer: RCM is narative historian because he relies on heresay and anecdotes like, ‘who said what to whom in whose drawing room’. (Ref: discussion between the Governor of Bengal and Atlee)

                • cnm

                  @ Cynical
                  So according to you he should not have believed ‘who said what to whom in whose drawing room.

                  Then what he should have done? Can you give any idea?
                  By the way, in his three volumes of Histories how much such herasay have you found? A few examples.

      • cnm

        @ cynical

        You always promise me to read the information supplied by me. But like the promise of a Marxist you do not keep it. Gandism has been the last resort of the Marxist scoundrels. And you are just doing that. You being a beef eater have no faith in or respect for Gandhism or anything related to Gandhi and before Independence you were the fiercest critics of Gandhi. You only use the stick of Gandhism to beat Hindu nationalists.

        • @cnm
          Firstly I am not a Marxist, but at the same time I do not harbour any hatred against a Marxist. I don’t go by the cover of a book, or a label of a person. I will go for the contents. Accordingly I find many (but not all) positive merits in Marxist point of views. Similarly I have my own differences with Gandhi, but when it comes to his commitment to India and Indians, he is second to none. I know how intolerant and ungrateful a nation we have become. No wonder an animal like Nathuram has got his devotees in this country.

          • cnm

            @cynical
            You go by the contents of a book. How many times you have gone by the contents of the Vedas?

            • Why do I have to read it when I get the same information from scholars who have read it? By the way didi you read ‘Das Capital’ before critisising Marx?

              • cnm

                @cynical
                “Why do I have to read it when I get the same information from scholars who have read it? By the way didi you read ‘Das Capital’ before critisising Marx?”
                So you admit that your information being second hand is hearsay like Majumdar. I have read the Das Kapital.

              • Shlok

                @Cynical, yes I have read Marx and Engels. So you are free to discuss this proletariat philosophy with me. Shoot

          • Indian Realist

            Why don’t you clearly say you are a Muslim? Why are you hiding it?

            • Because I am not. It’s just that simple. You can’t bully me in saying what you want me to say.

              • cnm

                @ cynical
                “Because I am not. It’s just that simple. You can’t bully me in saying what you want me to say”

                Because you do not know the ABC of Vedas that’s why you cannot produce any verse supporting your perversion of beef eating.

          • cnm

            @ cynical
            “Firstly I am not a Marxist, but at the same time I do not harbour any hatred against a Marxist”
            Marxist is an inclusive term. in Indian context it stands for anti-Hindu of all hues.

            • That’s your interpretation, not necessarily a fact. By the way what’s wrong in being an anti-Hindu, if it’s right to be anti-Muslim, anti-Christian etc.?

              • Indian Realist

                We are against monotheism which is by definition against the rest of humanity. Why should one oppose polytheism with its spiritual freedoms for everyone, unless one is a monotheistic bigot.

                • If polytheism is for spiritual freedom, then why monotheists will be denied of that freedom?

                  • ravi

                    Every monotheists denied polytheism(Like: my god is true your god is false ,and Jesus is only saviour(christianity),my god is true your god is false ,and Muhammad(pbuh) is last massenger(Islam).
                    Every polytheism allowed monotheists.

                  • cnm

                    @ cynical
                    “If polytheism is for spiritual freedom, then why monotheists will be denied of that freedom”

                    It is because Monotheism is no spiritualism but “Politics masquerading as Religions”

                    • Indian Realist

                      Right. Why should polytheists support philosophies which are sworn to destroy them? Not all ideologies need to be respected – only those which live and let live are worthy of respect.

              • cnm

                @cynical
                There is nothing wrong to be anti-Hindu. Only that your admission will make us Hindus alert about the enemies within.

                • @cnm
                  In that case you have a very tough job at hand. Going by the voting pattern for last 65 five years it seems to me that majority of the Hindus of India are anti-Hindu. I think you should respect the majority and join the anti-Hindus.

                  • cnm

                    @ cynical
                    I have my own way of understanding the dynamics of the voting pattern in India. I do not need your help in that matter. Also I have somewhere in this blog expressed my opinion about the voting pattern in India. Do read that. Besides ,I am ready to have debate over this if you promise not to run away.

          • Shlok

            @Cynical, of course you will find many things positive in Marxist thinking. You are traitors like them. When the Nazis invaded Soviet Russia, Communists in India joined hands with British and betrayed many revolutionaries. They wrecked the Quit India Movement. Whats more they even supported Pakistan. All of which had been documented brilliantly by Arun Shourie in his masterpiece, ‘The only Fatherland’ Besides that when China invaded India, Commies supported China. Naxalites today swear by Chairman Mao. Commies all over the world are terrible but in India they are absolute namakharaam. In the 1980s, Ashok Mitra, the CPI(M) Finance Minister in the Jyoti Basu gov’t had said that he wasn’t a gentleman he was a Communist. How true? Your supporting them is nothing surprising for us. Tumhare har ek shabd mein se gaddaari ki bhoo aati hain

            • cnm

              @ Dear Sholk

              You are forgetting one thing—– the candid admission of the Kerala Communist leader about how as a part of their planning they killed cold bloodedly their political opponents.

              • Shlok

                @Cnm, you are correct about Kerala Marxists. Karl Marx had spoken derogatory words about India, he also felt that the Britsh had a moral responsilibty to rule over India.He was a super racist and firmly believed in the ‘white man’s burden’. Now beause Marx held such views about India, so automatically the Commies in our country can’t be left far behind. Commies can never use their brains. They are robots, trained to follow what the Poliburo says

            • som

              @Shlok
              Cynical is a supporter of christian terrorists with the mask
              of mao on them.

        • Even Swami Vivekanda didn’t have any objection to eating beef.

          • Y

            “All liking for fish and meat disappears when pure Sattva is highly developed, and these are the signs of its manifestation in a soul: sacrifice of everything for others, perfect non-attachment to lust and wealth, want of pride and egotism. The desire for animal food goes when these things are seen in a man. And where such indications are absent, and yet you find men siding with the nonkilling party, know it for a certainty that here
            there is either hypocrisy or a show of religion.”
            (Complete works, 5.403)
            Meat-eating and Vegetarianism
            http://www.vivekananda.net/ByTopic/MeatEating.html

          • cnm

            @ cynical

            What about the host of venerable sadhus and sannyasins like Maharshi Goutam,Sri Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujacharya who forbid beef eating and condemn beef eaters?

          • Shlok

            @Cynical, wrong again. Swamiji was definitely opposed to beef eating. However he believed that ancient Hindus did eat beef. No doubt he had been influenced by Griffiths. Also, Swamiji may not have been an erudite Vedic scholar like Aurobindo or Maharishi Dayanand. Swamiji was not God. He was a great personality, but it doesn’t mean that he was perfect. But he never supported beef eating. By the way, I am amazed at you lot’s consistent harping on beef eating habits among Hindus. Its amazing. Even for argument sake, if we accept that 4,000 or 5,000 years back, Hindus ate beef. So? They don’t do so now. Even Griffiths did not deny that many Vedic passages do glorify cow worship. Throughout the scriptures you can find veneration for the cow. Even the Greeks writing 2,000+ years back wrote the respect of the cow among the Hindus. So did Kautilya / Chanakya. So, if for at least 2,000+ years, Hindus have not been eating beef and there are countless examples from our scriptures of cow veneration, so what difference does it make if at all the ancients did consume beef at some time? Don’t think that I accept that. I already told you that if you are seriously interested in learning on this matter, read Arunabh Talwar’s “No beef in the Vedas”. No one can still repeat that trash that ancients ate beef after reading this book. But it is mysterious why this interest in what the ancients ate?

      • cnm

        @ cynical
        Somewhere in this blog you have batted hard for your anti-HIndu icon Amartya Sen. You will be happy to know that he is not a Nobel laureate but a recipient of “Nobel Memorial Award” instituted by a group of Swedish Banks.Even tomorrow we can institute a Nobel Memorial Award for world’s greatest anti-Hindu.

      • Shlok

        @Cynical, ‘ignorance is bliss’ not your fault. People who are used to getting drunk are used to speaking nonsense. It is only your ignorance to think that India would have been a failed state. On the contrary let me tell you something. If there had been no Nehru today, we would have been in a far better position than China or maybe even Europe. So get your facts straight and clear. It is interesting you have mentioned Pakistan, Sudan and Bosnia. All 3 are Muslim countries. Their been failed states has all to do with their being Muslims. At least you’ve acknowledged this fact. Daaru peene ke baad jhootha vyakit bhi kabhi kabhi sach bolta hain

      • Hari

        We are not ungrateful . We have not given the bad name to the sacred traditions of Indians.
        Because Gandhi said on dated April 6, 1947:
        “Hindus should never be angry against the Muslims even if the latter might make up their minds to undo their (Hindus’) existence. If they put all of us to the sword, we should court death bravely. … We are destined to be born and die, then why need we feel gloomy over it?” (recorded speech delivered on April 6, 1947)
        THIS IS NOT SACRED TRADITIONS OF INDIAN
        “Gandhiji advised the women in East Bengal to commit suicide by poison or some other means to avoid dishonour. Yesterday he told the women to suffocate themselves or to bite their tongues to end their lives. But two doctors, BC Roy of Calcutta and Sushila Nayyar had informed him that such means of suicide were impossible. The only way known to medicine for instant self-immolation was a strong dose of poison. If this was so, he, the speaker,would advise everyone running the risk of dishonour to take poison before submission to dishonour. He had, however, heard from those given to yogic practices that it was possible by some yogic practice to end life. He would try and inquire. His was not an idle idea. He meant all he said. ”
        (Speech at a Prayer Meeting, New Delhi, October 18, 1946,CWMG Vol. 92, page 355)
        THIS IS ALSO NOT SACRED TRADITIONS OF INDIAN
        In another occasion when he was talking to a group of refugees, said, “If all the Punjabis were to die to the last man without killing (a single Muslim), Punjab will be immortal. Offer yourselves as nonviolent willing sacrifices.” (Collins and Lapierre, Freedom at Midnight, p-385).
        AGAIN,THIS IS ALSO NOT SACRED TRADITIONS OF INDIAN
        BAGHA JATIN, THE FATHER OF OUR NATION
        LEGACY OF JATIN MUKHERJEE POPULARLY KNOWN AS BAGHA JATIN (TIGER JATIN):
        Bagha Jatin , born as Jatindranath Mukherjee was the leader of Yugantar party, a group of patriotic nationalists who wanted the white Christian invader out of India. They knew that the British had sucked out all the wealth of India and in 250 years flat reduced India from the richest country on the planet to the poorest.
        The British East India Company was owned by Rothschild who grew opium in India and sold it in China. Rothschild controlled India, and the John Bull British soldier in India thought that they were fighting for Queen and country– while they were actually fighting for a German Jew.
        Jatindranath Mukherjee founded PATHURIAGHATA BYAM SAMITY which was n important centre os armed revoloulion of indian national movement. They are engaged in night schools for adults, homoeopathic dispensaries, workshops to encourage small scale cottage industries, experiments in agriculture. Since 1906, with the help of Sir Daniel, Jatin had been sending meritorious students abroad for higher studies as well as for learning military craft.
        In 1900, BAGHA JATIN upon returning to his native village Koya in March 1906, JATIN learned about the disturbing presence of a leopard in the vicinity; while reconnoitring in the nearby jungle, he came across a Royal Bengal tiger and fought hand-to-hand with it. Mortally wounded, he managed to strike with a Gorkha dagger (Khukuri) on the tiger’s neck, killing it instantly.
        The famous surgeon of Calcutta, Lt-Colonel Suresh Sarbadhikari, “took upon himself the responsibility for curing the fatally wounded patient whose whole body had been poisoned by the tiger’s nails.” Impressed by Jatin’s exemplary heroism, Dr Sarbadhikari published an article about BAGHA JATIN in the English press. The Government of Bengal awarded him a silver shield with the scene of him killing the tiger engraved on it.
        For the uninitiated a Bengal tiger is larger than their cousins elsewhere on the planet. When a Bengal tiger roars in anger, the African lion will freeze due to the infra sound.

        BAGHA JATIN (Tiger Jatin), born Jatindranath Mukherjee (7 December 1879 – 10 September 1915) was an Bengali revolutionary philosopher against British rule.
        The Master taught him the art of conquering libido before raising a batch of young volunteers “with iron muscles and nerves of steel”, to serve miserable compatriots during famines, epidemics and floods, and running clubs for “man-making” in the context of a nation under foreign domination. They soon assisted Sister Nivedita, the Swami’s Irish disciple, in this venture.

        Having personally met the German Crown-Prince in Calcutta shortly before World War I, he obtained the promise of arms and ammunition from Germany; as such, he was responsible for the planned German Plot during World War I. Shortly after when World War I broke out, in September 1914, an International Pro-India Committee was formed at Zurich. Very soon it merges into a bigger body, to form the Berlin Committee, or the Indian Independence Party, led by Virendranath Chattopadhyaya : it gained the support of the German government and had as members prominent Indian revolutionaries abroad, including leaders of the Ghadar Party. Militants of the Gadhar party started leaving for India, to join the proposed uprising inside India during World War I, with the help of arms, ammunition, and funds promised by the German government. Advised by Berlin, Ambassador Bernstorff in Washington arranged with Von Papen, his Military attaché, to send cargo consignments from California to the coast of the Bay of Bengal, via Far East.

        GANDHI NEVER MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONDEMN BAGHA JATIN
        ALTHOUGH In 1925, Gandhi told Charles Tegart, the Intelligence Chief and Police Commissioner of Bengal that Jatin Mukherjee, generally referred to as “BAGHA JATIN ”, was “a divine personality.
        According to J. E. Armstrong, Superintendent of the colonial Police, JATIN “owed his preeminent position in revolutionary circles, to his qualities of leadership.”

        Charles Tegart, the Intelligence Chief and Police Commissioner of Bengal had once told his colleagues that if BAGHA JATIN were an Englishman, then the English people would have built his statue next to Nelson’s at Trafalgar Square. In his note to J.E. Francis of the India Office in 1926, he described Bengali revolutionaries as “the most selfless political workers in India”
        BAGHA JATIN had a natural respect for the human creature, heedless of class or caste or religions. He carried for an aged Muslim villager a heavy bundle of fodder and, on reaching her hut, he shared with her the only platter of rice she had, and sent her some money every month.
        He was the principal leader of the Yugantar party that was the central association of revolutionaries in Bengal.

        Inspired by Swami Vivekananda, Jatin expressed his ideals in simple words: “Amra morbo, jagat jagbe” — “WE SHALL DIE TO AWEKAN THE NATION”.It is corroborated in the tribute paid to JATIN by Charles Tegart, the Intelligence Chief and Police Commissioner of Bengal : “THOUGH I HAD TO DO MY DUTY, I HAVE A great admiration for him. He died in an open fight.” Later in life, Tegart admitted : “Their driving power immense: if the army could be raised or the arms could reach an Indian port, the British would lose the War”.
        Professor Tripathi analysed the added dimensions revealed by the Howrah Case proceedings: acquire arms locally and abroad; raise a guerrilla; create a rising with Indian soldiers; BAGHA JATIN ‘s action helped improve (especially economically) the people’s status. “He had indeed an ambitious dream.”

        Finances were taken care of by Jatin. He masterminded a series of daring robberies, from Rothschild’s banks. Plus Indians abroad opened out their purse strings.

        Another of his original contributions was the indoctrination of the Indian soldiers in various regiments in favour of an insurrection.

        As Jatin grew older, he gained a reputation for physical bravery and great strength; charitable and cheerful by nature, he was fond of caricature and enacting mythological plays, himself playing the roles of god-loving characters like Prahlad, Dhruva, Hanuman, Râja Harish Chandra. He not only encouraged several playwrights to produce patriotic pieces for the urban stage, but also engaged village bards to spread nationalist fervour in the countryside.
        After passing the Entrance examination in 1895, BAGHA JATIN joined the Calcutta Central College (now Khudiram Bose College), to study Fine Arts. At the same time, he took lessons in steno typing with Mr Atkinson: this is a new qualification opening possibilities of a coveted career. Soon he started visiting Swami Vivekananda, whose social thought, and especially his vision of a politically independent India – indispensable for the spiritual progress of humanity – had a great influence on Jatin.

        ..”Noticing his ardent desire to die for a cause, Vivekananda sent BAGHA JATIN to the Gymnasium of Ambu Guha where he himself had practised wrestling. BAGHA JATIN met here, among others, Sachin Banerjee, son of Yogendra Vidyabhushan (a popular author of biographies like Mazzini and Garibaldi), who turned into BAGHA JATIN’s mentor.

        Fed up with the colonial system of education, Jatin left for Muzaffarpore in 1899, as secretary of barrister Pringle Kennedy, founder and editor of the Trihoot Courrier. He was impressed by this historian: through his editorials and from the Congress platform, he showed how urgent it was to have an Indian National Army and to react against the British squandering of Indian budget to safeguard their interests in China and elsewhere.

        According to Daly’s Report: “A secret meeting was held in Calcutta about the year 1900 The meeting resolved to start secret societies with the object of assassinating officials and supporters of Government . One of the first to flourish was at Kushtea, in the Nadia district. This was organised by one Jotindra Nath Mukherjee as being among the founders of the Anushilan Samiti, and as a pioneer in creating its branches in the districts..”.
        Nixon reports further : “The earliest known attempts in Bengal to promote societies for political or semi-political ends are associated with the names of the late P. Mitter, Barrister-at-Law, Miss Saralabala Ghosal and a Japanese named Okakura. These activities commenced in Calcutta somewhere about the year 1900, and are said to have spread to many of the districts of Bengal and to have flourished particularly at Kushtia, where Jatindra Nath Mukharji was leader.”Bhavabhushan Mitra’s written notes precise his presence along with Jatindra Nath during the first meeting. A branch of this organisation (Anushilan Samiti), was to be inaugurated in Dacca. In 1903, on meeting Sri Aurobindo at Yogendra Vidyabhushan’s place, Jatin decides to collaborate with him and is said to have added to his programme the clause of winning over the Indian soldiers of the British regiments in favour of an insurrection. W. Sealy in his report on “Connections with Bihar and Orissa” notes that Jatin Mukherjee “a close confederate of Nani Gopal Sen Gupta of the Howrah Gang worked directly under the orders of Aurobindo Ghosh.”

        In 1905, during a procession to celebrate the visit of the Prince of Wales at Calcutta, Jatin decides to draw the attention of the future Emperor on the behaviour of HM’s English officers. Not far from the royal coach, he singles out a cabriolet on a side-lane, with a group of English military men sitting on its roof, their booted legs dangling against the windows, seriously disturbing the livid faces of a few native ladies. Stopping beside the cab, BAGHA JATIN asks the fellows to leave the ladies alone. In response to their cheeky provocation, Jatin rushes up to the roof and fells them with pure Bengali slaps till they drop on the ground.
        The show is not innocent BAGHA JATIN is well aware that John Morley, the Secretary of State, receives regularly complaints about the English attitude towards Indian citizens, “The use of rough language and pretty free use of whips and sticks, and brutalities of that sort…” He will be further intimated that the Prince of Wales, “on his return from the Indian tour had a long conversation with Morley [10/5/1906] He spoke of the ungracious bearing of Europeans to Indians.”
        Jatin, together with Barindra Ghosh, set up a bomb factory near Deoghar, while Barin was to do the same at Maniktala in Calcutta. Whereas Jatin disapproved of all untimely terrorist action, Barin led an organisation centred around his own personality : his aim was, aside from the general production of terror, the elimination of certain Indian and British officers serving the Crown. Side by side, BAGHA JATIN developed a decentralised federated body of loose autonomous regional cells. Organising relentless relief missions with a para medical body of volunteers following almost a military discipline, during natural calamities such as floods, epidemics, or religious congregations like the Ardhodaya and the Kumbha mela, or the annual celebration of Ramakrishna’s birth, Jatin was suspected of utilising these as pretexts for group discussions with regional leaders and recruiting new freedom fighters to fight the supporters of the Britain.

        Duly appreciated for his professional competence, in 1907 BAGHA JATIN was “sent to Darjeeling on some special work,” for a period of three years. “From early youth he had the reputation of a local Sandow and he soon attracted attention in Darjeeling in cases in which he tried to measure the strength with Europeans. In 1908 he was leader of one of several gangs that had sprung up in Darjeeling, whose object was the spreading of dissatisfaction, and with his associates he started a branch of the Anushilan Samiti, called the Bandhab Samiti.”
        In April 1908, in Siliguri railway station, BAGHA JATIN got involved in a fight with a group of English military officers headed by Captain Murphy and Lt Somerville, leading to legal proceedings, widely covered by the press.
        On observing the gleeful animosity created by the news of a few Englishmen thrashed single-handed by an Indian, Wheeler advised the officers to withdraw the case. Warned by the Magistrate to behave properly in the future, Jatin regretted that he would not refrain from taking similar action in self-defence or in the vindication of the rights of his countrymen.One day, in a pleasant mood, Wheeler asked BAGHA JATIN : “With how many can you fight all alone ?” The prompt reply was : “Not a single one, if it is a question of honest people; otherwise, as many as you can imagine!”

        In 1908 Jatin was not one of over thirty revolutionaries accused in the Alipore Bomb Case following the incident at Muzaffarpur. Hence, during the Alipore trial, Jatin took over the leadership of the secret society to be known as the Jugantar Party, and revitalises the links between the central organisation in Calcutta and its several branches spread all over Bengal, Bihar, Orissa and several places in U.P.. Through Justice Sarada Charan Mitra, Jatin leases from Sir Daniel Hamilton lands in the Sundarbans to shelter revolutionaries not yet arrested..
        Repressive measures in series were introduced to quench the rising sedition since the agitations against the Partition of Bengal in 1905. Protesting against these repressions and organising the defence of the militants under trial in the Alipore Case, Jatin issued a series of dazzling actions of daring and desperate self-sacrifice in Calcutta and in the districts “to revive the confidence of the people in the movement. These brought him into the limelight of revolutionary leadership although hardly anybody outside the innermost circle ever suspected his connection with those acts. Secrecy was absolute in those days – particularly with BAGHA JATIN.” Almost contemporaneous with the anarchist gang of Bonnot well known in France, Jatin invented and introduced in India bank robbery on automobile taxi-cabs, « a new feature in revolutionary crime. Several outrages were committed : for instance, in 1908, on 2 June and 29 November; an attempt to assassinate the Lt Governor of Bengal on 7 November 1908; in 1909, on 27 February, 23 April, 16 August, 24 September and 28 October; two assassinations – of the Prosecutor Ashutosh Biswas (on 10 February 1909) and the Deputy Superintendent of Police, Samsul Alam (on 24 January 1910): both these officers had been determined to get all the accused condemned. Arrested, outwitted by the Police, BIREN DATTA-GUPTA, the latter’s assassin, disclosed Jatin’s name as his leader.

        On 25 January 1910, “with the gloom of his assassination hanging over everyone”, the Viceroy Minto declared openly : “A spirit hitherto unknown to India has come into existence , a spirit of anarchy and lawlessness which seeks to subvert not only British rule but the Governments of Indian chiefs…”
        On 27 January 1910, BAGHA JATIN was arrested in connection with this murder, but was released, to be immediately re-arrested along with forty-six others in connection with the Howrah-Sibpur conspiracy case, popularly known as the Howrah Gang Case. The major charge against Jatin Mukherjee and his party during the trial (1910–1911) was “conspiracy to wage war against the King-Emperor” and “tampering with the loyalty of the Indian soldiers” (mainly with the 10th Jats Regiment) posted in Fort William, and soldiers in Upper Indian Cantonments.
        While held in Howrah jail, awaiting trial, BAGHA JATIN made contact with a few fellow prisoners, prominent revolutionaries belonging to various groups operating in different parts of Bengal, who were all accused in this case. He was also informed by his emissaries abroad that very soon Germany was to declare war against England. Jatin counted heavily on this war to organise an armed uprising along with Indian soldiers in various regiments.

        The Howrah-Sibpur conspiracy case

        The case failed because of lack of proper evidence thanks to BAGHA JATIN ‘s policy of a loose decentralised organisation federating scores of regional units, as observed by F.C. Daly more than once: “The gang is a heterogeneous one, with several advisers and petty chiefs… From information we have on record we may divide the gang into four parts: (1) Gurus, (2) Influential supporters, (3) Leaders, (4) Members.”J.C. Nixon’s report is more explicit : “Although a separate name and a separate individuality have been given to these various parties in this account of them, and although such a distinction was probably observed amongst the minor members, it is very clear that the bigger figures were in close communication with one another and were frequently accepted members of two or more of these samitis. It may be taken that at some time these various parties were engaged in anarchical crime independently, although in their revolutionary aims and usually in their origins they were all very closely related.”Several observers pinpointed Jatin so accurately that the newly appointed Viceroy Lord Hardinge wrote more explicitly to Earl Crewe (H.M.’s Secretary of State for India): “As regards prosecution, I deprecate the net being thrown so wide; as for example in the Howrah Gang Case, where 47 persons are being prosecuted, of whom only one is, I believe, the real criminal. If a concentrated effort had been made to convict this one criminal, I think it would have had a better effect than the prosecution of 46 misguided youths.”
        On 28 May 1911, Hardinge recognised : “The 10th Jats case was part and parcel of the Howrah Gang Case; and with the failure in the latter, the Government of Bengal realised the futility of proceeding with the former… In fact, nothing could be worse, in my opinion, than the condition of Bengal and Eastern Bengal. There is practically no Government in either province…”

        Jatin was acquitted in February 1911 and released. Immediately, he suspended terrorism. This lull proved Jatin’s full command of violence as an antidote, contrary to the Chauri Chaura fiasco after him. During the German Crown Prince’s visit to Calcutta, BAGHA JATIN met him and received a promise about arms supply. Having lost his government job – and home interned -, he managed to leave Calcutta, to start a contract business constructing the Jessore–Jhenaidah railway line. This provided him with a valid pretext and an ample scope to move about on horse-back or on bicycle to consolidate not only the district units in Bengal, but also to revitalise those in other provinces. Jatin with his family set out on a pilgrimage, and at Haridwar visited his Guru, Bholananda Giri. BAGHA JATIN went on to Brindavan where he met Swami Niralamba (who had been Jatindra Nath Banerjee, the renowned revolutionary, before leading a sanyasi’s life); he had continued preaching in North India Sri Aurobindo’s doctrine of a revolution.

        Niralamba gave BAGHA JATIN complementary information about, and links to, the units set up by him in Uttar Pradesh and the Punjab. An important part of revolutionary activities in these regions were led by Rasbehari Bose and his associate Lala Hardayal. On returning from his pilgrimage, Jatin started reorganising Jugantar accordingly. During the Damodar flood in 1913, mainly in the districts of Burdwan and Midnapore, relief work brought together leaders of various groups : BAGHA JATIN “never asserted his leadership, but the party members in the different districts acclaimed him as their leader.”

        Drawn by Jatin’s relief work during the flood, Rasbehari Bose left Benares to join him : the contact with Jatin added a new impulse to Bose’s revolutionary zeal : in Jatin, he discovered “a real leader of men” At the close of 1913, Bose met BAGHA JATIN to discuss the possibilities of an All-India armed rising of 1857 type. Impressed by Jatin’s “fiery energy and personality”, Bose renewed negotiation with the native officers posted at the Fort William of Calcutta, the nerve centre of the various regiments of the colonial Army, before returning to Benares “to organise the scattered forces.”

        There were also attempts to organise expatriate Indian revolutionaries in Europe and the United States. Jatin’s influence was international. The Bengali best seller Dhan Gopal Mukerji, settled in New York and, at the summit of his glory, was to write : «Before 1914 we succeeded in disturbing the equilibrium of the government… Then extraordinary powers were given to the police, who called us anarchists in order to prejudice us forever in the eyes of the world… Dost thou remember Jyotin, our cousin – he that once killed a leopard with a dagger, putting his left elbow in the leopard’s mouth and with his right hand thrusting the knife through the brute’s eye deep into its brain ? He was a very great man and our first leader. He could think of God ten days at a stretch, but he was doomed when the Government found out that he was our head.”

        Right since 1907, Jatin’s emissary, Taraknath Das had been organising, with Guran Ditt Kumar and Surendramohan Bose, evening schools for Indian immigrants (a majority of them Hindus and Sikhs) between Vancouver and San Francisco, through Seattle and Portland : in addition to learning how to read and write simple English, they were informed about their rights in the USA and their duty towards Mother India : two periodicals – Free Hindustan (In English, sponsored by local Irish revolutionaries) and Swadesh Sevak (‘Servants of the Motherland’, in Gurumukhi) – became increasingly popular. In regular contact with Calcutta and London (where the organisation was managed by Shyamji Krishnavarma), Das wrote regularly to personalities throughout the world (like Leo Tolstoy and Éamon de Valera). In May 1913, Kumar left for Manilla to create a satellite linking Asia with the American West coast. Familiar with the doctrine of Sri Aurobindo and an erstwhile follower of Rasbehari Bose, in 1913, invited by Das, Har Dayal resigned from his teaching job at the University of Berkeley, coaxed by Jiten Lahiri (one of Jatin’s emissaries) of wasting his time in daydreaming, Har Dayal set out on a lecture tour covering the major centres of Indian immigrants; enlivened by their ardent patriotism, he preached open revolt against the English rulers of India. Welcomed by the Indian militants of San Francisco, in November, he founded his journal Ghadar (‘Revolt’) and the Yugantar Ashram, as a tribute to Sri Aurobindo. The Sikh community also became involved in the movement.
        During World War I

        These efforts were directly connected with the Jugantar, under Jatin’s leadership, in its planning and organising an armed revolt. Rasbehari Bose assumed the task of carrying out the plan in Uttar Pradesh and the Punjab. This international chain work conceived by Jatin came to be known as the German Plot, the Indo-German Conspiracy, or the Zimmermann Plan. Jugantar started to collect funds by organising a series of dacoities (armed robberies) known as “Taxicab dacoities” and “Boat dacoities”. Charles Tegart, in his “Report No. V” on the seditious organisations mentions the “certain amount of success” in the contact that exists between the revolutionaries and the Sikh soldiers posted at Dakshineshwar gunpowder magazine; Jatin Mukherjee in company of Satyendra Sen was seen interviewing these Sikhs. Sen “is the man who came to India with Pingle. Their mission was specially to tamper with the troops. Pingle was captured in the Punjab with bombs and was hanged, while Satyen was interned under Regulation III in the Presidency Jail.” With Jatin’s written instructions, Pingle and Kartar Singh Sarabha met Rasbehari in North India.

        Preoccupied by the increasing police activities to prevent any uprising, eminent Jugantar members suggested that Jatin should move to a safer place. Balasore on the Orissa coast was selected as a suitable place, being very near the spot where German arms are to be landed for the Indian rising. To facilitate transmission of information to Jatin, a business house under the name “Universal Emporium” was set up, as a branch of Harry & Sons in Calcutta, which had been created for keeping contacts with revolutionaries abroad. Jatin therefore moved to a hideout outside Kaptipada village in the native state of Mayurbhanj, more than thirty miles away from Balasore.

        On reaching Orissa, in April, 1915, Jatin sent one of his close associates, Naren Bhattacharya (future M.N. Roy) to Batavia, following instructions from Chatto[disambiguation needed], in order to make a deal with the German authorities concerning financial aid and the supply of arms. Through the German Consul, Naren met Theodore, brother of Karl Helfferich, who assured him that a cargo of arms and ammunition was already on its way, “to assist the Indians in a revolution.”

        The Czech interlude

        The plot leaked out through Czech revolutionaries who were in touch with their counterparts in the United States. In the beginning of World War I, in 1915, Emanuel Viktor Voska organised the minority of Czech patriots in USA into a network of counter-espionage, putting up to date the spying activity of the German and Austrian diplomats against USA and the Entente powers. (He described these events later in his book Spy and Counter-Spy.) American publicist of Czech origin Ross Hedví?ek claims that had E. V. Voska not interfered in this history, today nobody would have heard about Mahatma Gandhi and the father of the Indian nation would have been Bagha Jatin.B. Jatin wanted to free India from the British hold but he had the idea of allying against them with the Germans from whom he expected to receive arms and other helps. Voska learnt it through his network and, as pro-American, pro-British and anti-German, he spoke of it to T. G. Masaryk. This latter rushed to keep the institutions informed about it. Thus, Voska transmitted it to Masaryk, Masaryk to the Americans, the Americans to the British. T. G. Masaryk mentions all these facts in the English version of the Making of a State.
        As soon as the information reached the British authorities, they alerted the police, particularly in the delta region of the Ganges, and sealed off all the sea approaches on the eastern coast from the Noakhali–Chittagong side to Orissa. Harry & Sons was raided and searched, and the police found a clue which led them to Kaptipada village, where Jatin was staying with Manoranjan Sengupta and Chittapriya Ray Chaudhuri; a unit of the Police Intelligence Department was dispatched to Balasore.

        Jatin was kept informed and was requested to leave his hiding place, but his insistence on taking Niren and Jatish with him delayed his departure by a few hours, by which time a large force of police, headed by top European officers from Calcutta and Balasore, reinforced by the army unit from Chandbali in Mayurbhanj State, had reached the neighbourhood. Jatin and his companions walked through the forests and hills of Mayurbhanj, and after two days reached Balasore Railway Station.

        The police had announced a reward for the capture of five fleeing “bandits”, so the local villagers were also in pursuit. With occasional skirmishes, the revolutionaries, running through jungles and marshy land in torrential rain, finally took up position on 9 September 1915 in an improvised trench in undergrowth on a hillock at Chashakhand in Balasore. Chittapriya and his companions asked Jatin to leave and go to safety while they guarded the rear. Jatin, however refused to leave them.

        He is regarded as the first freedom fighter to have fought the British police face-to-face near Chasakhand in Balasore. He could have run away from the battle ground but he fought bravely for the motherland and laid down his life.

        Bagha Jatin was in the jungle of Kaptipada in Mayurbhanj district planning an attack on the British police when the cops, headed by Charles A. Teggart, surrounded them. They were encountered by the police at Chasakhand, 10km from Balasore, while waiting for the arrival of a consignment of arms on the Balasore coast for an armed rebellion.

        Jatin succumbed to bullet injuries at the district headquarters hospital on September 10, 1915, after he refused to undergo treatment in the hands of British doctors.

        Among his aides, Chittapriya Raychaudhary died in the encounter and two others, Manoranjan Sengupta and Birendranath Sengupta, were hanged. Another aide, Jyotish, was sent to Cellular Jail in the Andamans

        Bagha Jatin is a unsung, sunk ( by Gandhi and Nehru ) hero of our freedom fighting history.

        He was a true patriot, not a British stooge like most our famous freedom fighters whom we worship, all false gods, all hand in glove with the enemy , the white Christian invader.

        He was intelligent enough to see through the nonsense. The Indian National Congress was created by the invader, with Indian stooges running the show.

        Just like Swami Vivekananda, Bagha Jatin saw through all these pseudo freedom fighters of INC — the so called moderates like Dadabhai Naoroji, Gopal Krishna Gokhale

        INC is still being run by pseudo patriots with foreign DNA.

        Allan Octavian Hume , a man whom we honour , was very cruel with the Indians sepoys who revolted in 1857. He hid in Agra for a while after quelling the rebellion.
        In 1885, he was made a double agent by Rothschild , wherein he declared himself as a native of India, and formed INC to fight for India’s freedom.
        Hume took in another Rothschild recommended double agent Sir William Wedderburn— who had already brainwashed Gopal Krishna Gokhale and Rothschild’s Opium finance agents like Sir Edulji Dinshaw Wacha.

        So Wheeler asked him, how many white British soldiers he can take on alone in physical fight . Jatin replied “Not a single one, if they are good people, but if they are goons , as many as you can imagine”

        He organized with the help of Chempakaraman Pillai, a German ship fully loaded with arms and ammunition to land on a spot a Balasore beach of Orissa, which he selected personally.

        The ship SS Maverick, would have delivered to Jatin 30,000 modern rifles with 400 rounds of ammunitions each gun .

        The plot leaked via a Czechoslovakian triple spy in the payroll of Rothschild. The US President Woodrow Wilson gave this information to Rothschild , the US Presidential chair kingmaker..
        Rash Behari escaped to Japan in May 1915–as the British were after him.

        To facilitate transmission of information to Jatin, a front business house under the name “Universal Emporium” had been set up with Saileswar Bose in charge . This would be a branch of Harry & Sons in Calcutta, which had been created for keeping underground covert contacts with revolutionaries abroad.

        As soon as the information reached Rothschild , he forced the British police and military into immediate action. The British sealed off all the sea approaches to Bengal and Orissa. Leaked information led them to Harry & Sons building, which was raided and searched. From here they retrieved a major clue .

        A telegram was intercepted by the British. The telegram mentioned, “arrived here, starting tonight for Balasore, expect to meet some one there.” The sending of the telegram and the nexus between Hary & Sons of Calcutta and the Universal Emporium at Balasore led to an enquiry at Balasore by the British police.

        The enquiry in turn led to the search of Universal Emporium and its covert doings at Balasore. Saileswar Bose was tortured . British found that that he had visited a god forsaken place Kaptitada on different occasions.

        On 6th September 1915, the DistrictMagistrate of Balasore, accompanied by several police officers engaged in the enquiry, went to Kaptipada and learnt that few young Bengalis were living in a house in the jungle about a mile and half away. British police searched the house and found that the group had scooted.

        The search party, however, could found some interesting documents, among which were a map of the Sundarbans and a cutting from a Penang paper about the SS Maverick, and it became apparent that the group had firearms in their possession as a tree in the compound showed marks of bullets used for target practice.

        Before going underground, Jatindranath entrusted his sister Benodebala with the care of his wife Indubala, his daughter, Ashalata and his two sons, Tejendranath and Birendranath.

        A large posse of police, headed by top European officers from Calcutta and Balasore, in tandem with the British army unit from Chandbali in Mayurbhanj State, closed in on Jatin. Jatin and his companions walked through the thick forests , marshy land and hills of Mayurbhanj, and after two days decided to dig trenches and fight it out.

        Out of hindsight they should NOT have tried this brave but foolish stunt. .This cost India our freedom , while Gandhi was still in South Africa. Jatins comrades in the trench begged him to make a run, but this honorable man would not listen. All were tired, thirsty and hungry after running for 2 days.

        The local people had been warned to watch out for 5 escaped criminals carrying a huge bounty on their heads . So Jatin and party had to dodge the villagers too. .

        The posse of British soldiers surrounded the trench. A fierce gunfight ensued, lasting nearly two hours. Jatin Bagha and his five comrades were lightly armed and had limited bullets for their German Mauser pistols, while the police had modern long range rifles and grenades, which they kept lobbing.

        The fight on 10th Sept 1915, ended with an unrecorded number of casualties on the British side Government side; on the revolutionary side, Ray Chaudhuri and Jatin Bagha died. Jatish Mukherjee was seriously wounded, and Manoranjan Sengupta and Niren Dasgupta were captured after their ammunition ran out. Sengupta and Dasgupta were executed after a speedy trial..

        The last words Jatin Mukherjee uttered were : “My wounds are still bleeding , or what ?

        During the trial, the prosecuting British Official advised the Defence laywer to read a manuscript by Jatin Bagha . Impressed he remarked:” Were this man of such great vision alive, he would have led the world !”.

        MN Roy later said “ Jatin Bagha was the first Indian to die fighting, arm in hand “

        • Ramesh

          @Hari
          I SALUTE THE GREAT HERO BAGHA JATIN -TRULY OUR FATHER OF
          NATION,ALTHOUGH HE FAILED DUE TO TRAITORS…WHO WERE THEY..???….LET THIS QUESTION UNANSWERED.
          Britishers squeezed last drop of blood of Indians,that had cause of 20 major man made famine during British raj.Nearly 90 million people died due to starvation.Large no. of whom nigher buried nor cremated.
          So,after independence we found ourself poor.The land which was called
          “Golden bird” in1500 A.D.became poor like beggar in 1947 A.D.
          India had lost her self pride.
          AS KOFI ANNAN FORMER U.N.SECRETARY AND OUR PRESENT PRESIDENT OF NATION SAID RECENTLY THAT WE DO NOT NEED FOREIGN AID.
          ,WE ARE SELF SUFFICIENT NOW.WE ARE GIVING FOREIGN AID TO
          SO MANY COUNTRY,EVEN EUROPEAN UNION ALSO.WE ARE CONDUCTING OUR SPACE PROGRAM OF OUR OWN,WE ARE INTRODUCING LONG RANGE MISSILE OF OUR OWN.
          INDIA IS REGAINING HER SELF PRIDE.

    • Can someone tell me what is the contribution of Hindu right in India’s freedom struggle?
      A timely advice: Don’t try to pick icons/heroes from Congrss stable, just because you are icon starved.

      • Y

        Contribution of one non-congress in India’s freedom struggle
        (Without icons/heroes from Congress stable),
        Bagha Jatin(the father of nation)and many more.
        WE are not icon starved.

      • Shlok

        @Cynical, 1st of all, many Hindu leaders of those days also worked for the Congress. At that moment, Congress had not become so mentally demented as to think that everything rested on Muslim appeasement. Lala Lajpat Rai, Lala Hardayal, Lokmanya Tilak, Har Bilas Sarda, Madan Mohan Malaviya, all were towering freedom fighters, with the Congress but also considered by the Muslims as being towards the right. Remember many were also openly associated with Arya Samaj which openly wrote strong words against Islam and Christinaity. So also Sardar Patel, who in fact was considered as anti-Muslim. Veer Savarkar’s contrubutions, everyone is aware. Dr Munje of the Hindu Mahasabha

        • Shlok

          And besides that, almost all revolutionaries of that time were deeply influenced by Swami Vivekanand, who was the most inspiring figure for all of them. Aurobindo Ghosh, before he became the Maharishi, was the most important revolutionary in Bengal, whom the British were most scared of. These are just some of the names that have come to my mind. Of course, RSS, Hindu Mahasabha, Arya Samaj played a great part at the organizational level. And who can forget Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay, the author of Anand Math, in whose book the Vande Mataram first appears and which becme the rallying cry for all our revolutionaries. So only an ignorant and stupid Marxist leaning individual like yourself could put forward such a question. BTW, even Mahatma Gandhi is known to have used Hindu symbols of veneration to reach out to the mass audience. Whether it was cow protection, vegetarianism, teaching of Bhagwad Geeta, bhajan / keertan, return to the village life, etc.. Tilak of course is known for the revival of the Ganesh festival in Maharashtra. On the contrary, Marxists were known traitors, who only followed what Moscow or what Communist bosses said

  3. karan

    1. The Indian/Hindu Numeral System
    2. Carburised Steel
    3. Contributions to Western Philosophy
    4. Clothing the world
    5. Ancient Democracy
    6. Water on the Moon
    7. Einstein’s Quantum Statistics
    8. Radio/Wireless Communication
    9. The ‘Zero’ (0)
    10. Complex Hydraulic Engineering
    All are great discovery made by Indian civilization to the mankind.

    • ravi

      The best contribution among this is the Indian/Hindu Numeral System for which Albert Einstein said:
      “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.”

      • Y

        @Cynical
        But no nobel prize alloted for that!!!
        Can we go to U.N.???

      • Y

        @Cynical
        But we should not tell it is HINDU CONTRIBUTION .Because according to a 2002 census of India, the religion of 80% of the people is Hinduism. Islam is practised by around 13% of all Indians.[8] The country had over 23 million Christians, over 19 million Sikhs, about 8 million Buddhists and about 4 million Jains

      • So you think Albert Einstein should be taken seriously?

    • Y

      @Clinical
      Another revolutionary Indian contribution was the development, production and use of cotton textiles for clothing. The Ancient Greeks were initially not even familiar with cotton, instead often wearing animal skins until the wars of Alexander the Great, during which they discovered and started using Indian garments, which essentially clothe all of us today.
      According to Columbia Encyclopaedia”Hundreds of years before the Christian era, cotton textiles were woven in India with matchless skill, and their use spread to the Mediterranean countries.”
      BUT THEY WERE IN “LANGOTI ” THEY LEARN TO USE “TROUSERS FROM CHRISTIANS (EUROPIANS).
      EITHER INDIAN SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT OR NOT?

    • Y

      @Cynical
      So. many discoveries and inventions 70% of Indians are still lacking toilet facilities
      Is it false information?What you say?

    • @karan
      You forgot to mention. We are also no. 1 country in femake foeticide.

      • Indian Realist

        Latest news from today’s HT about your favorite community.

        Sex ratio sees sharp decline among Muslims

        Compared to other religious groups, the Muslim community has witnessed the sharpest decline in sex ratio — dropping from 968 women for 1,000 Muslim men in 2004-05 to 922 in 2009-10.

        A report by National Sample Survey Office shows that the Muslim sex ratio suffered due to a huge fall in the number of females in rural India.

        • There could be other reasons for that, but female foeticide is not one of them. That’s a hindu speciality.

          • Anonymous

            Really ? Checked the number of abortions in the U.S. recently ?

            • Use your brain, that’s if you have one. Abortion is gender nutral, female foeticide is not. Think before you start dancing on the key board.

              • Y

                @Cynical
                Nobody can dance on the key board.
                Why one needed male-child after female foeticide in ancient times had not been found unobjectionable under court of law?
                Why sati -pratha had been allowed in ancient times had not been found unobjectionable under court of law?
                Why honor killing had been allowed in ancient times had not been found unobjectionable under court of law?
                शिवजी महाराज के गुरू प्रसिद्ध संत समर्थ रामदास ने हिन्दुओं की स्थिति जो उन्होंने १६३२-४४ में देखी उसे उन्होंने अपने ग्रन्थ ‘दास बोध’ में इस प्रकार व्यक्त किया :
                (१) ”ऊँची और नीची सभी जातियों की अगणित हिन्दू स्त्रियों को यातनाएं दी गईं और उनका बलात्कार किया गया। अनेकों बंदी बनाई गईं और उन्हें दूर देशों में बेचा गया। अनेक सुन्दर स्त्रियों ने यातनाओं से दुखी होकर आत्महत्या कर ली है।
                (२) ‘लोगों की धन-सम्पत्ति जब्त कर ली गई है। भय के कारण से अनंकों ने अपने घर बार छोड़ दिए और इस प्रक्रिया में अनेकों मर गए। लोगों को कपड़ा और भाजन प्राप्त नहीं है।”
                (३) ”अनेक लोग दुष्कर्मों में ढ़केल दिए गए हैं जबकि अनेक बलात्‌ स्लाम में धर्मान्तरित कर दिए गए हैं। अगणित बच्चे चीख-चीखकर रो रहे हैं क्योंकि उनके माँ-बापों की हत्या कर दी गई या उन्हें बंदी बना कर दूर ले जाया गया है।”
                (४) ”अनेकों ने विष खाकर अपना जीवन समाप्त कर लिया। अनेकों ने पानी में डूबकर जान दे दी तथा अनेक जला दिए गए या जिन्दा गाढ़दिए गए।”
                (५) ”लोग गहनतम हताशा में डूबे हुए हैं। सभी लोग दयनीय हो गए हैं। उन्हें किसी भी क्षण शान्ति नहीं है।”
                (६) ”लोग गहनतम हताशा में डूबे हुए हैं। सभी लोग दयनीय हो गए हैं। उन्हें किसी भी क्षण शान्ति नहीं है।”
                (७) ”जब वे भोजन करने की प्रतीक्षा कर रहे होते हैं, यकायक रोने व चीखने की आवाज़ें सुनाई देने लगती हैं और इन हमले में किसी की पत्नी की बलात्‌ अपहरण हो जाता है, किसी का सामान छीना, झपटा या लूट लिया जाता है।”
                (८) ”आक्रमणकारी मुसलमान पशुवत्‌ निर्दयी होते हैं। वे सर्वत्र बहुतायत में हैं। वे पिछले सैकड़ों वर्षों से अपने घृणित कार्य करते चले आ रहे हैं। इसलिए हे राजन्‌ ! (शिवाजी महाराज) सावधान रहना।”
                (डॉ. एस. डी. कुलकर्णी कृत ‘एंकाटर विद इस्लाम, पृत्र २६७-२६८ से)
                Actually life of women had been miserable due to invasion of Arab imperialism at that time.

                • ravi

                  @Y,well said
                  न कौशल्या, कैकेयी ना ही कुंती हुई सती
                  गाजी न आये जब तक, ज़रूरत नहीं पड़ी
                  अल्लाह के बन्दों के हरम के ख़याल से
                  आग की बाहों में जा कूदी पद्मावती

              • Anonymous

                Exactly – abortion is gender neutral, there is no – cide involved. One can’t take a few isolated cases and attribute it to all of Hindus. This is paid media propaganda against Hindus, and did you read the gender anomaly in a particular community above ?

          • Shlok

            @Cynical, Muslims imbalanced gender imbalance due to other reasons but Hindus because of Hinduism. How ignorant and stupid? Abhay daarubaaz, jhoom baraabar, what do you think this blogsite is. Your namkeen to have with your daaru. For your information, China’s skewered sex ratio is similar to India’s, don’t start blaming Hindus for that. Besides that, within India the Southern states, Orissa, Chhatisgarh and Himachal Pradesh have decent – normal sex ratios. And mind you, 95% of Himachal, 93% of Chhatisgarh and 91% of Orissa is Hindu. Besides that at time of partition, the sex ratio rates in the country were normal. So, this imbalance has got nothing to do with Hinduism or Islam, there are other factors in this involved. Especially considering that the problems are most serious in Punjab, Haryana and Delhi across all communities. This needs a careful analysis which motivated, drunkard persons like you are not capable of.

          • Indian Realist

            Maybe the reasons are that Muslim women are being stoned to death for carrying a mobile phone or dancing in the rain.

        • That’s scarry. Don’t you think that put the non-Muslim girls in danger? I am very worried. What about you.

      • cnm

        @ cynical
        That is another boon of Westernisation.

  4. Avinash

    @ cynical. >>>>>>>After so many discoveries and inventions 70% of Indians are still lacking toilet facilities. And who do we blame? Monotheists, Gandhi, Nehru, Marx, Mao, Johny Walker, Shakti Kapoor and Johny Lever. India would have been prosperous and a very different country today, if we had Nathuram Godse as our first PM >>>>>> you really need some urgent treatment at Agra Mental Asylum. If not the Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty who had (mis) ruled our country for >55 years, who should be blamed for the pathetic condition in our Country?

    • Hari

      @Avinash
      Cynical raised the question against failed governance of Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty for lacking toilet facilities to 70% of Indians ,so he should be advised for another options to vote.

  5. M. V. Jain

    Why are we Indians so cynical ? We should celebrate our achievements with pride, and fight the evils with strength. The two can co-exist – we don’t need to be one side or the other only!!

    • rishi

      @M. V. Jain,you are right.
      We should fight the evils with strength.
      @ (1) THE RECENT PHENOMENON :-
      The expected value of the dowry has risen in some cultures in recent decades. This phenomenon has led to a sharp increase in “dowry deaths” since the 1980s.
      (2) MONEY MATTER A “dowry killing” occurs when a new wife is murdered by her husband or in-laws if they are unhappy with her, rather than sending her back to her parents, which would force the in-laws to return the dowry to the bride’s parents.
      (3) NOT RELATED TO EDUCATION :Statistics in India show that 90% of such murdered brides were educated, 30% were graduates, and 20% were women who worked outside the home and contributed to the family financially.
      (4) EMERGENT URBAN MIDDLE CLASS Dowry killings have been described by women’s rights groups as a problem that is typically among the “emergent urban middle class”, who aspire to greater material prosperity, and the dowry that comes with a wife is viewed as a means of obtaining money and consumer goods.
      (5) BURNING OF WIFE TO DEATH
      Murders are typically carried out by burning the bride to death, In some instances today, the bride is driven to commit suicide by self-immolation following abuse by her husband and in laws.

  6. karan

    “The Bhagavad Gita is not as nice a book as some Americans think…Throughout the Mahabharata … Krishna goads human beings into all sorts of murderous and self-destructive behaviors such as war…. The Gita is a dishonest book …”

    — Wendy Doniger, Professor of History of Religions, University of Chicago.
    Quoted in Philadelphia Inquirer, 19 November, 2000.
    Shri Aseem Shukla is very much qualified(,Associate Professor in urologic surgery at the University of Minnesota medical school). very much respected socially(Co-founder and board member of Hindu American Foundation,)call Cynical him a Internet Hindu types(because probably he have Internet connection)found his book (the Hindus: an Alternative History ) SEXUALISING and EXOTICISING SOME OF THE HOLIEST PASSAGES IN THE HINDU SCRIPTURES.

    ON ANOTHER SIDE The person, who is defending the book(the Hindus: an Alternative History ) because it is a best seller in India (how much of a best seller can it be? – 10,000 copies in a country of a billion people) misses the whole point.

    This book(the Hindus: an Alternative History ) has certain (not all) fundamental flaws and cannot be peddled as an ‘alternative history’ of the Hindus.
    She is a professor of religious studies. Very soon, this book(the Hindus: an Alternative History ) will become the required reading for college students – presenting to them, Wendy’s biased, sophomoric and irreverent view of Hinduism.
    There should be a disclaimer accompanying the book saying that this book (the Hindus: an Alternative History ) does not present Hinduism in a fair manner.
    A non-muslim wouldn’t be allowed to teach or comment on islam.
    The Hindu American Foundation (HAF) Urges National Book Critics Circle (NBCC) Not Honor Doniger’s Latest Book
    A non-christian wouldn’t be allowed to teach or comment on christianity.
    So how comes a non-hindu is allowed to teach and comment on hinduism ?
    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/03/whose_history_is_it_anyways.html
    http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/
    http://creative.sulekha.com/risa-lila-1-wendy-s-child-syndrome_103338_blog

    http://www.hafsite.org/index.php?q=media/pr/nbccletter

  7. karan

    Intellectual Terrorism-Unholy and un-American
    Bhagavad Gita is a dishonest book;
    Lingam is a great cigar; Shiva’s phallus; (Hindu sexual fantasies!)
    Hindu saint Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s mystical states were accompanied, and likely generated, by some ethically problematic acts, among them pedophilia;
    Goddess Kali and Goddess Durga: Kleinian ‘phallic mother’ or introjection of the father’s penis;
    Lord Ganesha: The elephant head. Its trunk is the displaced phallus, a caricature of Siva’s linga. It poses no threat because it is too large, flaccid, and in the wrong place to be useful for sexual purposes. … So Ganesa takes on the attributes of his father but in an inverted form, with an exaggerated limp phallus – ascetic and benign;
    Lord Shiva: Shiva (phallus) is “hard, erotic, and destructive.”
    Hindu mothers do not love their babies as well as western mothers.
    http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_030314.htm

    • John

      @karan
      HINDU MOTHERS DO NOT LOVE THEIR BABIES AS WELL AS WESTERN MOTHERS.
      BECAUSE:
      Millions of Indian babies aborted because their mothers do not want two girls
      Data from India’s census showed the country’s population comprised of 914 girls under age six for every 1,000 boys
      In India, there is a huge cultural preference for boys mainly because of the enormous expense in marrying off girls and paying elaborate dowries

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390481/Millions-Indian-babies-aborted-mothers-want-girls.html#ixzz2aF8r2vvN

      • Indian Realist

        Christians did not show much love when killing children of slaves, aborigines and Native Americans, and burning women as witches.

      • Anonymous

        @John – Babies are not aborted, foetuses are. Throughout the world.

      • cnm

        @ John

        Do you know anything about Dakshaprajapati, the son of Prjapita Brhma? He was father to 86 daughters. That is why he called Daksha– the competent one. It is unfortunate that the Hindu society where women are worshiped are extending the vilest kind of ill-treatment to women. Do you know the reason behind such fiendishness? The alienation of the Hindus from their root —Hinduism, thanks to the Macaulite educatin system.

      • Shlok

        @John, already wrote that upto 1950s, ratio of boys – girls was normal. And by the way current levels are 940 girls to 1,000 boys. Still shameful. I am sure that we will rectify this and have normal levels

  8. Vineet

    Dear Patriot Indians,

    How easily most of us fell prey to this joker “Cynical” We could have followed the saying “let the dogs bark” and left it alone, instead we wasted so much of our energy and effort to counter him. There is no need to answer likes of him on their terms. We have to answer – yes very much so and we need to answer back on our terms, not theirs.

    There is a long list of anti-Indians and anti-HIndus who want this country to break up. The list is long, sections of politicians, mid-east cults (both), communists, leftist, Dravidian & Dalit psuedo thinkers who take both out of the great Hindu civilizations.

    The more we try to attack them in answering their question, the more defensive posture we take. Answer them back in their kind big time.

    Saw the name of some chap by name of John. Since it is forum on discoveries/inventions and science and the west and west minded ones believe only the dead jew on stick variety of mid-east cult has monopoly on truth and science, let me give one example.

    A couple of decades back or so, near the Sabarimala shrine in Kerala, Christians shouted that they have found the cross believed to have been that of some St Thomas. A lot of noise was made on its antiquity (that is why I chose Dravidian psuedo thinkers since they support these missionaries against Hindus in name of Tamil identity) and claims were made that Hindus should leave Sabrimala area for christians. It lead to friction between two communities. One fine hindu chap suggested of getting ASI to assess the antiquity of discovered cross and verify the facts. Next night the cross vanished and so did christians.

    So friends, hit them where it hurts most and not be defensive.

    The two mid-east cults follow the “keeping boss by ass-licking model” where as in HIndus it is more performance oriented.

    Regards

  9. Anonymous

    India is home to two of the worlds most ancient languages. Sanskrit and Tamil. Both are the languages of Hindus. Prehistoric India had Vimanas(ancient aircrafts of the past). Those crafts belong to our Gods. Beautiful architectures were created in various styles depicting our beloved history, Kings and Gods. Civilizations flourished. There was a point in time when no one lied, no theft or violence took place. Doors were left opened at night. Women, men, children, old people, plants, and animals were respected and taken care of. Everyone lived in peace and harmony. That is the what we need today but Kali Yuga is still alive. Asuric traits such as falsehood, false pride, arrogance, lust, rape, violence on the innocent, hate, brainwashing, bribes, destruction of farmer lands, wild animals, forests, materialism all rampant. Without prayers and ceremonies, irreligion will prevail but Kali Yuga will end one day.

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