Christianity & Islam: Politics masquerading as religion

I am a big fan of Sita Ram Goel, a great Hindu thinker and writer who died in 2003. I suggest you read all his books, starting from Jesus Christ: Artifice for Aggression. This will be an eye opener for you as well as Christian monotheists. His other books are available at this link — you can read them online.

Christianity & Islam: Politics masquerading as religion
By Sita Ram Goel

“Hindu society has to understand very clearly that what it is faced with in the form of Christianity and Islam are not religions but imperialist ideologies whose appetite has been whetted by running roughshod over a large part of the world. Hindu society is making a serious, almost a fatal mistake, in appealing to these ideologies in the name of reason and morality which are supposed to accompany religion. This sort of appeal is bound to fail because it falls on deaf ears.” – Sita Ram Goel

The Sufi as mystic

The story which I am now going to tell is true. I remember it word by word, although it happened twenty-five years ago.[1]

A young Muslim sufi from Kashmir was telling us about the teachings of his guru (this was the word he used for his teacher) who had died some years earlier. Prããyãma was a prominent part of these teachings. This again was the term he used, though he did not know even the Hindi language, not to speak of Sanskrit.

The sufi was a very simple and unassuming person. He had had no schooling. And he made his living by the humble occupation of a tailor. But we were fascinated by what he told us about the techniques used by his guru for his spiritual training. His language was straightforward without the slightest touch of pedantry.

As the conversation drew to a close someone from among us started to play a record of padãvali kîrtan by one of the few famous femalke specialists from Bengal. The sufi was visibly moved by the pathos in Radha’s pining for Sri Krishna who had left Vrindavana for Mathura. Soon after the music stopped, he exclaimed, “Aisã gãnã hamnê êk hazãr baras bãd sunã (I have heard this sort of music after a thousand years).” His eyes were brimming with tears which he was trying to hide.

We were amazed. He was in his thirties. He could not have been in this world a thousand years ago. What did he mean by that statement? We requested him to explain. He said in a voice full of innocence: “Pahle janam mêñ sunã hogã (I must have heard it in an earlier life).”

I became agog with curiosity. He was talking of transmigration. So I asked him, “Ãp kyã is zindgî sê pahlê janam kî bãt mãnatê hain (Do you believe in a birth before this present life)?”

The sufi seemed to be somewhat annoyed. He asked a counter-question in a tone which had a touch of temper: “Ãp mazhab kã sawãl kyoñ uthãtê hain (Why are you raising a theological controversy)?”

I was puzzled by his reply, as was everybody else. I had not the slightest intention to annoy him. He was our guest. I had asked the question out of sheer curiosity. So I came forward with a clarification, and said, “Sûfîjî, ãp musalmãn hain. Islãm êk hî janam mãnatã hai. Ãpnê pahle janam kî bãt kahî, isliyê sawãl uThãyã thã (You are a Muslim. Islam recognises only one life. You talk about an earlier life. That is why I had asked the question).”

He relaxed and explained: “Mazhab tõ wahî bãt kahtã hai. Lekin maiñ tõ rãz kî bãt kah rahã thã (It is true that theology says that. But I was talking of the esoteric way).”

We were surprised by this distinction. This was a new revelation to us – this separation of esoterism from theology. The sufi continued: “Rãz kî bãt ham sab kê sãmanê nahîñ kahtê. Yeh tõ maiñ ãp logoñ se kah rahã thã (We do not talk of the esoteric way before everybody. It is only to you people that I was talking about it).”

All of us asked simultaneously: “Kyoñ (Why)?”

The sufî said, “Woh log (those people)”… and without completing the sentence he put the edge of his outstretched palm on his throat and moved it across. He was trying to convey that “those people” would cut his throat.

We asked him about “those people”. Who were they? He did not name any. But he became gloomy. It was obvious that he did not like to continue the dialogue, which we dropped immediately.

I was sure in my mind that nobody was going to cut his throat these days even if he proclaimed publicly what he believed privately. Times had changed. Moreover, he was a citizen of India, not of an Islamic theocracy. Yet the alarm in his voice was unmistakable.

I knew how Mansur al-Hallaj had been tortured to death by an Islamic state prompted by Islamic theologians for saying that he himself was the Haqq (Truth). But that was all. I had not yet read any detailed history of Sufism, nor compared or contrasted the doctrines of Sufism with the dogmas of prophetic Islam. It was years later when I made such a study and came to know of the rishi tradition in Kashmir Sufism, that I was suddenly reminded of that talk with the young sufi that day. He was obviously referring to the tradition of terror which had silenced the sups of the rishi tradition, and forced them to keep in their breasts the best of their knowledge. The memory of that terror, it seemed, was still intact in the mind of this sufi.

The Sufi as fanatic

My studies in Sufism also brought back to my mind another encounter with another sufi at about the same time. He was an elderly man. He was quite learned in his own way, and could discuss various religious and philosophical doctrines with some knowledge. He could also manage some English in which language he also wrote an occasional pamphlet. The incident which I shall now relate took place when I met him for the first time, though I had heard a lot about him from a close friend.

I was staying by myself in the house of this friend when this sufi dropped in one day. I requested him to stay with me for a few days and give me the benefit of his company. He agreed and we had quite a few fruitful sessions during which we talked about mysticism and the rest, without touching the subject of Islam or Hinduism. I was impressed. His language was quite forceful, particularly when he made fun of atheists, materialists, and mere philosophers.

One day I was reading an Urdu translation of Sarmad’s Persian poems when the sufi came into my room and sat down by my side. I put away the book and had another long talk with him. Then I left the room because I had a few other things to do. When I returned after about half an hour, I found the sufi reading the same book by Sarmad. A few days earlier I had heard him talking about Sarmad with reverence and in a language of fulsome praise. So I sat down quietly in a corner and waited for him to read out and explain some significant lines from that book.

But I was taken aback when he suddenly threw the book against the opposite wall with some violence and shouted, “Harãmzãdã kãfir hî thã (The bastard was an infidel indeed)!” I picked up the book, brought it back to the sufi, and asked him to show me the lines that had enraged him so uncontrollably. He leafed through the book and finally put his finger on two lines almost towards the end. I cannot recall the exact words of the couplet but I remember very well the message that was conveyed. Sarmad had addressed himself as follows: “O Sarmad! What is it that goes on happening to you? You started as a follower of Moses. Next you put your faith in Muhammad. And now at last you have become a devotee of Rãm and Lachhman.”

I could see nothing wrong or improper in this couplet. Sarmad was only telling the story of his seeking which had led him from Moses to Muhammad to Rãma and LakshmaNa. I had not read the book as fast and as far as the sufi had done. Nor did I know the real reason for which Sarmad had been beheaded in Delhi by the order of Aurangzeb. All I had heard was that Sarmad used to roam about naked on the roads of this imperial city. I had supposed that he had been punished for his impudence in the midst of a polished society which placed immense importance on being properly dressed. It was years later that I learnt the real nature of Sarmad’s “crime”. It was apostasy which is punishable with death according to the law of Islam laid down by the Prophet himself during the days of his tussle with the polytheists of Mecca.

I have never lost my respect for this second sufi. He is a man of character endowed with a keen mind and a good knowledge of what passes for mysticism in Islam. But he becomes absolutely impregnable, indeed an insufferable fanatic, when it comes to the dogmas of prophetic Islam. His contempt for everything Hindu comes through clearly whenever he publishes a pamphlet. Hindus, he says, are worshippers of kankhajûrãs (scorpions), khatmals (bugs), gãy kã gobar (cowdung), and Kãlî. How he has worked out this combination of four “filthy” things has always defied my imagination. But one thing becomes obvious whenever he opens him mouth, namely, that he derives immense satisfaction by portraying Hinduism in this picturesque manner. Sometimes I feel that the very vehemence of his language against Hinduism helps him keep the fire of his fanaticism burning. Whenever he is in this mood, it is impossible to have a word edgewise with him, or make him realize that he is being downright ridiculous.[2]

The Christian missionary and the mystic

I had the same experience an year earlier with a Catholic missionary who was trying to convert me to his own creed. He had taken me to a monastery in a mountainous region, and put me into what the Christians call a retreat. The very first sentence he uttered in his very first lecture was that I should not expect him to give “some funny feeling inside you”. I did not get the point at that time. Later on I learnt that he was referring to the mystic experience for which we Hindus are supposed to have a special weakness. The Father failed to give me any feeling, funny or otherwise, and the retreat was a total failure. I had started as an ordinary Hindu and came out of it in the same condition. The dogmas of Christianity he had dished out sounded to me, to say that least, rather infantile. But what pained me the most in my meetings with this otherwise lovable man was his contempt for Hinduism which he always equated with the “worship of every bug that bites and every cockroach that crawls around”.

In later years I met another Christian missionary who made it a point to call on me whenever he visited Delhi. His first fascination in India (he was a foreigner [by name Fr. Henri le Saux better known as Abhishiktananda]) was for Ramana Maharshi. That led him to Vedanta and the Upanishads which fascinated him still more. Finally, he gave up his missionary station in the south and moved to the Himalayas for a quiet life of study and meditation. He was a prolific writer. He died a few years ago.

In my first encounter with him I made him feel somewhat uncomfortable by asking him some unconventional questions about Christian theology, particularly about Jesus being the only saviour. Next time we met, he asked me to avoid doctrinal disputation and join him in a deeper communion of minds in meditation. I agreed with him very gladly, and we never discussed theology again. Most of the time I listened to him as he as spoke about the Upanishads, particularly about the experience of Advaita. He had made a very deep study of the subject, and I was nowhere near him in my own knowledge of it.

But I was puzzled when I read some of his writings. Here he was trying very heard to reconcile the experience of Advaita with what he called the Christian experience. I referred the matter to Ram Swarup. He told me that Christian experience was the new name which they were now giving to Christian theology.

I knew nothing about any experience, advaitic or Christian. Nor do I know it now. But one thing I know for certain is that human experience, whatever its level, is human experience. There is nothing Hindu, or Muslim, or Christian about it as such. The fact that Advaita is a Sanskrit word – a language which flourished in India and is now honoured by Hindus – as also the fact that it has been discussed most exhaustively in the Upanishads, which are now known as Hindu shastras, does not make it a national or sectarian word. For the word only refers to a state of human consciousness which Kabir has described so aptly as bãhar bhîtar ekai jãnõ, yêh guru gyãn batãî (it is the same everywhere, whether without or within; this is the secret taught by the teacher).

Here was a man who was moved so sincerely and so deeply by his seeking for Advaita. Why could he not concentrate on the experience itself, and forget Christianity for the time being? Why could he not throw his theological luggage out of the window and travel straight to the station towards which the train of his own experience was heading? Why should he look out every now and then to find out if the stations on the way had their nameplates inscribed in a language which he had inherited by the accident of his birth? I could not find at that time any satisfactory answers to these questions.

The young sufi was afraid of being slaughtered for saying what he believed to be true. The sincere Christian seeker was trying to stick a label where it failed to stick. Their plight was pathetic.

On the other hand, the old sufi was so sure about himself, about his Islam, and about the abomination that was Hinduism in his eyes. So was the Catholic missionary who had tried to save me from perdition. They seemed to know what was wrong, and where. They seemed to know what was right, and how. What was it that made them feel so secure in their beliefs, and so self-righteous in their swearing against Hinduism?

Politics masquerading as religion

The questions remained unanswered till I had a chance to read the life of prophet Muhammad and the history of the rise of Christianity. I knew a lot of Muslim history in this country, and also abroad. I knew how blood-soaked it was in all its chapters. I also knew a lot of Christian history in Europe, and America, and elsewhere. I knew what a horrible story it was in terms of death and destruction it brought to many lands. What I did not know for a long time was the genesis of these creeds which had inflicted so much sufferings on mankind.

It was only when I looked into the source books of these “religions”, and examined the character of their founders that I discovered the ãsurika roots from which they had sprung. It was only then that I realized the grave error in recognizing these creeds as religions in any sense of the term. I could see quite clearly that what we were faced with were purely political ideologies inspired by imperialist ambitions. It was only then that all pieces of the puzzle fell into a pattern – the theologies, the histories, the swearologies, and the rest.

Before I take up the genesis of these creeds I should like to make one point very clear. There are no non-Christian records available about the birth, rise, and spread of Christianity till it captured state power in the Roman empire. Whatever I write below about the genesis of Christianity is based entirely on early Christian records. Similarly, no non-Muslim records have survived about the rise and spread of Islam in Arabia. What I write below about the genesis of Islam is based entirely on Islamic records.

Genesis and character of Christianity

Some historians in the West have serious doubts about the very existence of a man called Jesus Christ.[3] And almost all historians agree that if he existed at all, nothing can be known about his person or teaching because all contemporary sources, Christian and non-Christian, are either silent or unreliable regarding the subject. Thus all we have is the Jesus of the Gospels which are now regarded as theological statements rather than a record of historical events. And Jesus of the Gospels is a questionable character. He makes tall claims about himself, and curses all those who do not accept those claims. He denounces his own people as sons of the Devil and killers of prophets.

In due course, Christian theology came to proclaim that Jesus was the only-begotten son of the only true god; that he had been sent down in order to wash with his own blood the sins of mankind by mounting the cross; that he had risen from the dead on the third day and appeared to his apostles in flesh and bones; that he was the same as his father whose divinity he shared in full; that those who accepted him as the only saviour had all their sins washed by his blood; that he had entered his apostles as the holy ghost and entrusted them with the mission of saving all mankind from eternal hell-fire; that the Church founded by the apostles and joined by the converts was his body and bride; and that the whole world had been mandated to the Church by the father and the son and the holy ghost.

What one finds striking about these ridiculous statements is that none of them can stand the test of human reason or experience. The Church declares them to be mysteries beyond the reach of human understanding. The apostles had tried to sell these “mysteries” to the Jews in Jerusalem. The only response they met was dismissal with contempt. Next, they tried these “mysteries” on Jewish communities settled in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. They had some small success but most of the time met with considerable resistance. Finally, they took this merchandise to the metropolitan mart at Rome where their business found some firm footing for the first time. It was in Rome that the methods of missionary salesmanship were matured over a period of time. The structure of the Roman empire provided a model for the structure of the Church. The missionaries got busy building a state within the state.

Constantine the Great

In the next two centuries, the Church became a rich and powerful organisation with members in many leading families of Rome. It found many adherents among politicians who wielded power, among military commanders who were superstitious or in need of political support, and among merchants who had money but no brains for philosophical questions. The mother of emperor Severus (222-235 AD) became a Christian. So did emperor Philip the Arabian (244-249 AD). Helena, the mother of Constantine, was also a Christian convert. Now the Church extended the Divine Right to rule as a despot to anyone who was prepared to declare Christianity as the sole state religion and suppress all pagan religions. Constantine who wanted to secure a dynastic succession for his family – a practice unknown to Roman politics so far – saw his opportunity in this new doctrine, and proclaimed in favour of the Church. The common people in Rome resisted this royal renegade. So he removed his capital from Rome to Byzantium which was renamed Constantinople.

The precedent set by Constantine in consolidating a dynastic despotism with the help of the Church was copied by many crowned heads all over Europe in subsequent centuries. The king in pagan societies was only the first among equals. The Church enabled him to become an unbridled autocrat who derived his authority not from the community over which he ruled but from God Almighty. The conflicts which developed between these autocrats and the powerful Church with a Pope at its head, came much later, after the common people all over Europe had been enslaved and deprived of their traditional institutions which safeguarded their fundamental freedoms. For quite some time, the Church cooperated with the kings to convert the common people everywhere into hewers of wood and drawers of water.

This was one part of the story. Another was a large-scale destruction of ancient religions all over Europe, Asia Minor, and North Africa where the Church spread its tentacles with the help of despotic rulers. All pagan schools were closed, all pagan temples were demolished or converted into churches, and all pagan images were publicly defiled and destroyed. Pagan books were burnt and pagan priests were killed, mostly by Christian monks who led Christian mobs after lecturing them into fevered frenzy. That is how Christianity triumphed over pagan religions and societies – not by the power of its moral or spiritual superiority or the logic of its doctrines, but by the power of the sword wielded by despicable despots.

Genesis and character of Islam

Muhammad followed in the footsteps of Jesus in making the same sort of claims for himself, cursing his own people in the choicest language of monotheism, and threatening them with slaughter. He, however, did not have to struggle against a centralized state when he found that his prophethood had no attraction for the people of Mecca. He migrated to Medina which was more receptive to monotheism because of a large presence of Jews in that town, and emerged as a powerful potentate. He ended by exiling or killing en masse the Jewish population which resisted him as soon as he came out in his true colours. Meanwhile, he had amassed much wealth by plundering merchant caravans and scattered Arab settlements. He created the nucleus of a standing army out of the toughs and desperados who flocked to him in increasing numbers for committing crimes and sharing the loot. In short, he built the apparatus of a military state in Medina and used it for imposing his closed creed on the tribal settlements of Arabia by means of armed force. The doctrines of Islam were tailored to the needs of this galloping tyranny, and sold with the help of the sword. And the sword was stamped with the name of an almighty Allah in whose service the ancient religion and culture of Arabia were destroyed root and branch.

The mistake made by Hindu society

Hindu society has to understand very clearly that what it is faced with in the form of Christianity and Islam are not religions but imperialist ideologies whose appetite has been whetted by running roughshod over a large part of the world. Hindu society is making a serious, almost a fatal mistake, in appealing to these ideologies in the name of reason and morality which are supposed to accompany religion. This sort of appeal is bound to fail because it falls on deaf ears. The menace has to be met by methods and means which are suited to the nature and magnitude of the menace. Hitler had said that “if the chicken and geese pass a resolution about peace, the wolf is not convinced”. There is little chance that Hindu society will ever be able to contain Christianity or Islam if it continues to regard these aggressive and imperialist ideologies as religions, and extend tolerance to them. – Excerpted from Defence of Hindu Society, New Delhi.



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105 responses to “Christianity & Islam: Politics masquerading as religion

  1. Pathological insecurity in display. Enough said.

    • Indian Realist

      History has shown that non-believers have much to fear from monotheists — ask Hindus of Kashmir or Bangladesh or Tripura, or Ahmediyas and Christians of Pakistan. Millions and millions of non-believers have been slaughtered worldwide by people of the book. So why are you unwilling to confront the bigoted belief systems of monotheists that give rise to such genocidal behaviour? Why do you try to blame the non-believers for their insecurity and absolve the monotheists? Are you a collaborator?

      Sitaram Goel said: “Hindu society is making a serious, almost a fatal mistake, in appealing to these ideologies in the name of reason and morality which are supposed to accompany religion. This sort of appeal is bound to fail because it falls on deaf ears.” I can see that you are already deaf.

    • ravi

      Pathological insecurity not sure…. but…… resource greed of European imperialism ….YES .
      The Crusades were in part a reaction to these events, as well as serving the ambitions of 11th-, 12th-, and 13th-century popes who sought to extend their political and religious power. Crusading armies were, in a sense, the military arm of papal policy.

      Beyond all this, the Crusades coincided with a time of dramatic growth of European population and commercial activity. The Crusades provided an area of expansion to accommodate part of this growing population. They also offered an outlet for the ambitions of land-hungry knights and noblemen. At the same time, the expeditions offered rich commercial opportunities to the merchants of the growing cities of the West, particularly Genoa, Pisa, and Venice.

      Crusading thus had a broad appeal to numerous Europeans. Some went on Crusades out of greed, some out of religious fervor; almost all Crusaders sought adventure, and many of them believed that their participation would virtually guarantee personal salvation. Every Crusader probably had different reasons for participation.The experiments of the papacy and European monarchs in raising money to finance the Crusades led to the development of systems of direct general taxation that had long-term consequences for the fiscal structure of European governments.

      • karan

        Many Christian action group cadres have also been inducted into prominent naxalite groups under the garb of liberation theology activists. For instance Vernon Gonsalves @ Vikram, a state committee member of Maharashtra unit of CPI (Maoist) who was arrested by the ATS, Maharashtra, in August,2007 and another top Maoist leader Arun Ferreira, r/o Bandra, who was arrested by Nagpur police have both confessed to the police that they are activists of liberation theology movement. A number of human rights activists including Dr.Binayak Sen,Vice President of PUCL, have also been arrested in the recent past for their close links with the Maoist movement in the country confirming the close links between the Maoist movement and NGO and human rights net-work. Since the Christian action groups in the country are all controlled by various church agencies, many church leaders in India are also now directly linked with the naxalite movement.

        So, when Sabyasachi Panda, a top Maoist leader of Orissa claims responsibility for the killing of VHP leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati and four others at his ashram in Kandhamal district on August 23,2008, it does not help to absolve the church activists from the charge of involvement in the crime. The naxalite movement in the country had enjoyed maximum mass support during the period from 1969 to 1974. However despite the dynamic leadership provided by leaders like Charu Majumdar and Sitaramaiyyah the support base of the naxalite movement was mostly confined to the three states of West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala.

        By 1975, the naxal movement had started disintegrating and it is only because of its association with the action group movement since mid seventies that it was able to sustain itself.

        Today, with the full support and all possible assistance from the networking NGOs and also with the systematic induction of a large number of NGO activists into major naxalite groups, the naxal movement in the country has now become very powerful and it continues to make inroads into more and more new areas, especially in the remote and tribal regions.

        About 170 districts in 15 states in the country are now reportedly considered as naxal-infested. This unprecedented growth of naxalite movement in the country can be attributed to the support and encouragement it receives from the action group movement of networking NGOs which has got a strong and wide network all over the country. The irony of the situation is that the naxalite movement which proclaims to be the greatest crusader against the imperialist lobby is presently controlled by the action group movement which in turn is promoted, financed and controlled by the same imperialist lobby.

        • Sindhu

          Christianity and Islam are political religions. That’s why they are thrusted on people. That’s why only the weak converted/convert in India.

          Jesus was a Hindu saint’s chelaa and was trying to spread the “news” about Krishna. But people killed him and then spread the “news” of Jesus to obviously rule countries by converting its citizens.

  2. If Hindus do not have the confidence and suffer from an acute sense of security while living in a country where they are roughly 80% of the population then god help them! My guess is they would not feel secured even if they were 100%. Because it is not in their gene. And there is no cure for genetic defects.

    • Jaipal


      You lack intellectual honesty. What are you? Are you White?
      All right-thinking Hindus can’t feel secure because the political
      establishment in India is run by anti-Hindu pseudo-secularists
      who have a policy of attacking and undermining Hindu society.

      This is even more so when in the name of secularism, these criminal
      creeds which have malignant intentions towards Hindu society,
      are branded as “peace-loving” religions and treated with kid-gloves.

      Of course Hindus can be secure. That will happen when there are
      no anti-Hindu enemies and traitors in our country. That will happen
      only when a Hindu nationalist state is formed.

    • OM

      It is not in their gene>>>>> And there is no cure for genetic defects>>>this thing may be applicable for you>>>‘short, dark, rice-eating’ people who are weak in their knees>>>> but strong in verbose>>>>as you have told about yourself>>>in one post..

      This thing not applicable for Hindu in general.
      Actually>>>>Hindu society is making a serious>>>>> almost a fatal mistake>>>>>in appealing to these ideologies>>>>>ABRAHMANIC RELIGIONS>>>> in the name of religion>>>.as said by Sita Ram Goel.
      We are paying price >>>>for our generosity>>>>in other word>>> foolishness.

    • Sindhu

      What is your gene?
      Remove the psedosecular clause in India and make laws such as in Pak/China/ US/ and Malaysia (bhoomiputra) and ban conversions, every Hindu will become secure.

  3. Vineet

    Dear Cynical,

    It is not some Pathological insecurity but a matter of fact. Please look at the ratio of hindu populations over a period of time in muslim dominated areas / countries – you will realise it.

    But it seems you are an apologist of monotheists and hence such remarks across all blogs.

    • I will have more respect for people who fight for their survival. But no respect for cry babies.

      • Jaipal


        Hindus have survived this long precisely because they fought back
        against their enemies in the past and won. If Hindus really were/are
        a “cry baby” people, then they would have disappeared long back
        in their own country. But that is not the case in reality.

        Many White people also complain about their position in their
        respective countries. Have a look at American Renaissance site.
        Does that mean they are also cry babies too?

        Times today have changed. We live in an era of fixed borders
        and states. The government that rules as of today is not necssarily
        in tune with the interests and aspirations of people. This is the case
        across a large part of the world. There is nothing unique about this
        as far as Hindus are concerned. Hindus have a right to feel concerned
        and articulate their legitimate interests in their homeland.

        Absolutely, nothing wrong in this.

      • Shlok

        Hindus have a right to express the wrongs that are being committed upon them, at the same time you can rest assure that Hindus are not going to let things lying down and are fighting back. In Uttar Pradesh last year, when Muslims raped a Dalit girl, the entire Muslim community ran away in fear and were not allowed to return back. After the Marad massacre of Hindu fishermen in Kerala, the Kerala Gov’t had to intervene with HIndu groups for the safe passage of Muslims. In the tribal areas of Chhatisgarh and Jharkhand, Chrisitan conversion activities have diminshed. In Orissa, despite the Chrisitan missionaries working hand in hand with Naxalites, HIndu groups are re-converting back. In Uttar Pradesh, Arya Samaj, VHP and various sadhu-sants are reconverting people. That is despite the Gov’t, the BJP, and all political parties being against the interests of the HIndus. WIth the media controlled by anti-Hindus, obviously the only forum for HIndus to speak out is blog sites like Indian Realist. And with traitors and crackpots like yourself in this blog, you are giving us a good opportunity to attack you. That is not to say our ground mission has failed. Hindus have survived enemies since more than 1,000 years. We are never going to give up, and don’t worry within your life span, you will witness a glorious Hindu Rashtra. In case you feel that you would never be able to reconcile with this reality, you better make plans to live abroad

  4. @Cynical, you seem to either tend to display “ostrichism” in regard to the people of the book or show your visceral dislike for Hinduism. No doubt you are an apologist of monotheists. Or, I suspect, you are an Internet troll.

    • With all due respect let me tell you for one last time, that I am no apologist for any theists including Monotheists. I am against all kinds of religious bigots (including their Hindu variety).

      • Jaipal


        But there is one problem with your above statement.
        You make the mistake of equating so-called “Hindu Bigots”
        with the Monotheist variety. The problem with this comparison
        is that the Monotheist bigots seek to impose their way of thinking
        on the entire world, without tolerating any other viewpoint.

        Hindutva on the other hand is simply good old Hindu nationalism
        contained and confined within Indian boundaries, for the benefit
        of Indian nation. They do not seek to impose their views on the
        rest of the world. Because India was and is a predominantly
        Hindu country, Hindu culture and heritage has a right to assert
        itself in its own homeland. Indian identity is based on Hindu
        civilization and culture, so supporting Hindutva is not bigotry
        at all, but rather a reaffirmation of the national culture and identity.
        Its called Nationalism. To take pride in one’s national culture
        is not fascism. Its called national dedication and its a good thing.

    • Indian Realist

      Mary was a Palestinian — so when did she start wearing a sari from tribal areas of Jharkhand? The deceit and mental games of these monotheists have no limits — they cannot impress anyone on the strength of their ideology. So they fall back on deception and allurements when in a minority and a genocide when in majority.

  5. Jaipal


    What happened to all the pagan religions of the world that were
    confronted by the criminal creeds Islam and Christianity??

    Is it just a coincidence that they all disappeared or was it by design
    at the hands of these Monotheist creeds? Come on, Cynical.
    what is your answer??

    • With the advancement of human endeavors in pursuits of knowledge of self and his surroundings, the pagan religions were destined to wither away sooner or later. With or without Christianity, or Islam.
      Worship of Cows (GoMata) ,Monkeys (Veer Hanuman), Snakes (Naag Devi) are bound to lose appeal to people of intellect. Even the old tribes in African land have come out of it. Paganism has not survived in China or Japan even though they have not been invaded by Christianity or Islam. How about that? And by the way do you wear ‘Langoti’ or ‘Trouser’? If you wear trousers, then you have been influenced by Christians willingly. Right?

      • Indian Realist

        And by the way do you wear ‘Langoti’ or ‘Trouser’? If you wear trousers, then you have been influenced by Christians willingly. Right?

        By that logic, if you use modern mathematics or play chess, you have been influenced by Hindu paganism. And if you use gunpowder, compass, kung fu or paper currency, you have been influenced by Chinese Confucianism.

        • Wrong. Only Arithmetic by Indians; Algebra by Arabs, Geometry by Greeks. And Chess from the middle east (Arab or Persia). You should have mentioned Astronomy where Hindus made a great contribution. But with your half-baked knowledge of Hindus such ommissions are excused.

          • Jaipal


            Again, you are wrong. It is not only Arithmetic by Indians.
            Algebra is also Indian. Indian Mathematicians like Aryabhatta
            and Brahmagupta were already working with Algebra well before
            the Arabs even knew what Algebra was. Infact, the Arabs learnt
            Algebra from the Hindus. This is the truth.

            As for Geometry, again, you are wrong. There are Indian works
            known as Sulba Sutras which contain a wealth of Geometrical
            information. These Sulba sutras were composed between
            1000 BC TO 700 bc. Pythagorean formula, for example, is seen
            already in the Baudhayana Sulba Sutra.

            Chess originated in India, not Middle east. Arab and Persian
            writers say that Chess came from India. The Indian name is
            “Chaturanga’ whereas the Arabic name is “Chatrang”.
            Look at the similarity of the name. The Arabic name
            derives from the Sanskrit name, thereby showing that
            Chess originated in India.

      • cnm


        Let me , for the sake argument, accept your foolish words that “with the advancement of human endeavors in pursuits of knowledge of self and his surroundings, the pagan religions were destined to wither away sooner or later.” But who authorized Christianity and Islam to escalate that process of the withering away of the pagan religions by use of beastly force. By trying to justify the uprooting of pagan religions at hand of bloodthirsty Christians and Muslims you have shown your true monotheistic colour which is patently criminal.

        If demons and beasts like Jesus, Jehovah, Marx, Mohammed, Mao and many other such demons can be worshiped why at all the worshiping of cow a creature that sustains the whole creation by gifting her nectar like Milk , also why the worshiping of monkey and snake which play a vital role in the sustenance of the universe( which the descendants of these demons and beasts so criminally eager to destroy ) will agitate the conscience of people of intellect? Besides, who are you to set standards that those who worship or adore Cow, monkey , snake or for that matter the whole creation are not people of intellect ? Further, who are you to disrespect cows? Do you not remember that your knowledge of usefulness and divinity of cow is poor that you have run away from the scene with your tail between your legs when asked with questions in connection to cows?

        Paganism is still ruling Japan and China you Idiot, don’t you have the eyes to see that?

      • Indian Realist

        With the advancement of human endeavors in pursuits of knowledge of self and his surroundings, the pagan religions were destined to wither away sooner or later.

        How cleverly you reduce paganism to only rituals. Paganism is not that. It stands for freedom of thought, individual liberty, direct connection with God (not through a prophet or church), and worship of nature as something divine. How can the concept of spiritual freedom, respect for nature and direct connection with God get outdated with time? You are pretending as if it is natural evolution of man to move towards monotheism, spiritual fundamentalism, waging war on non-believers, bondage of thought, and dictatorship of the mullah or church. Your thinking lacks depth and is severely curtailed by monotheistic bigotry. You appreciate monotheistic philosophies and don’t like people who want spiritual freedoms for themselves. This is not much different than Nazis cursing American democracy and declaring it as inferior to the discipline of Nazism.

      • Anonymous

        Cynical Jackass, can you preach your dead Jew cult in Afghanistan ? Or Pakistan, or Bangladesh ? Incidentally, the muslims are also called as Pagans by christian cultists. Do talk to your padre about this.

      • OM

        Do you wear ‘Langoti’ or ‘Trouser’?>>>> If you wear trousers, then you have been influenced by Christians willingly

        Sewing has an ancient history estimated to begin during the Paleolithic Age. Sewing was used to stitch together animal hides for clothing and for shelter. The Inuit, for example, used sinew from caribou for thread and needles made of bone; the indigenous peoples of the American Plains and Canadian Prairies used sophisticated sewing methods to assemble tipi shelters. Sewing was combined with the weaving of plant leaves in Africa to create baskets, such as those made by Zulu weavers, who used thin strips of palm leaf as “thread” to stitch wider strips of palm leaf that had been woven into a coil. The weaving of cloth from natural fibres originated in the Middle East around 4000 BCE, and perhaps earlier during the Neolithic Age, and the sewing of cloth accompanied this development.
        So,it is not related to Christianity.

      • som

        With the advancement of human endeavors in pursuits of knowledge of self and his surroundings, the abrahmanic religions were destined to wither away sooner or later.
        Why you are worshiping penis of shiva? Why don’t you worship others penis?
        Ans : – Linga in Sanskrit also means symbol – Symbol of Shiva and not Penis.
        Idol & Vigraha is different and shiva linga is a vigraha.A Vigraha can store energy and release energy. The specialty of Shiva Linga can be explained scientifically. There are nearly 200 atomic reactors in this world and nearly 95% of those have the shape of Shiva Linga. If you visit Shiva temple you can see 24 hrs water abisheka in Shiva linga in all the temples and the same process is there in atomic reactors too. A study based on this happened in last 10 years. Scientist Professor Corod Code of Moscow University had taken Kirlian photography (Gas discharge visualization photography) of various vigrahas & he calculated the storage capacity of electro magnetic energy in vigrahas. It is done in Kerala by the leading of BG Group with scientists from America. They discovered that the electromagnetic energy level which can be stored in Shiva Linga is (23×10) 39.That is the specialty of that shape and our ancestors used this because they know that it is good for health.

      • som

        With the advancement of human endeavors in pursuits of knowledge of self and his surroundings, the abrahmanic religions were destined to wither away sooner or later.
        Why you worshiping the Idols in temples as it is not even permitted in your Vedas ?
        Vedas says those who have wisdom does not require an Idol. Thus Idol is only for a common man till he reaches higher level of spirituality, as said ‘prathima alpa buddheenaam – prathima’/ idol is meant for common man. It is only a pathway to achieve higher level to reach ‘Brahma jnaanam’. For a real yogi, in Hindu dharma Idol is not needed.
        But idol worship in the temples has psychological, physiological, social, spiritual, cultural and national values to contribute for the members of the society. Indian temples are not just prayer halls it acts also as a quantum healing centers. The customs and rituals of the temples have a strong and proved scientific background.
        Hindus worship in temples. The temples are not merely prayer halls for Hindus, they are the quantum healing centers (kshayaath thraaythe iti kshetra). In temples the light, heat, sound and chemical energies are filled through lighting the lamp, camphor, keeping mirrors, etc. The sound energy through manthra, ringing of the bells, musical instruments, bhajans etc. The chemical energy is from bathies, aromatic flowers and leaves etc. Thus the temples are energization centres in Hindu way of worship. A devotee has to stand for few minutes in the temple environment in front of the vigraha/ idol with sareera ( body) ,mana ( mind), aahaara (food), vaak (words/ talking ) and karma ( deeds) suddhee (purity) for energisation.

      • som

        Rejoin your ancestor’s religion ,it is just “GREAT.”

      • Hari

        ‘Trouser are related to Christians.Then this(following) also related to Christians.Right?
        “The following are some of the methods they used to cleanse the land of its rightful owners: Bounties for human scalps, including women and children, out and out massacres, starvation and germ warfare. These cruel British methods of destruction were so effective that the British came close to realizing their cleansing goal. All North American civilizations under their occupation were badly damaged, many eliminated, and close to 95% of the people exterminated.”
        -Daniel Paul
        So,the British methods of destruction also applied in India ,during 20 major feminine.

        Thanks ,for first and second world war ,that diverted interest of Britishers for recruiting solders and a promise for Independence and off course, Gandhi was an essential agent to convey the massage
        to masses .

        • nitha

          If “Satyameva Jayate (a mantra from the ancient Indian scripture Mundaka Upanishad) adopted as the national motto of India then why should this view is not applicable for our text of History.

          The full mantra is as follows:
          Truth alone triumphs; not falsehood.
          Through truth the divine path is spread out by which
          the sages whose desires have been completely fulfilled,
          reach where that supreme treasure of Truth resides.

    • A religion survive, or prosper on it’s own strength. If those you mentioned have disappeared, it is because they had inherent weaknesses within, and they didn’t know how to defend themselves. In short survival of the fittest. Weak has the right to sympathy but not the right to survive.

      • Jaipal


        If that is your attitude, then why do you say you are against bigotry
        in the first place? This survival of the fittest is also a contest
        in bigotry. So let there be a contest of bigotries, but don’t start
        complaining if the Atheists start losing out and get wiped out., at the
        hands of the theists.

      • OM

        (1)Button, ornamental: Buttons—made from seashell—were used in the Indus Valley Civilization for ornamental purposes by 2000 BCE. Some buttons were carved into geometric shapes and had holes pierced into them so that they could be attached to clothing by using a thread. Ian McNeil (1990) holds that: “The button, in fact, was originally used more as an ornament than as a fastening, the earliest known being found at Mohenjo-daro in the Indus Valley. It is made of a curved shell and about 5000 years old.”
        (2)Calico: Calico had originated in the subcontinent by the 11th century and found mention in Indian literature, by the 12th century writer Hemachandra. He has mentioned calico fabric prints done in a lotus design. The Indian textile merchants traded in calico with the Africans by the 15th century and calico fabrics from Gujarat appeared in Egypt. Trade with Europe followed from the 17th century onwards. Within India, calico originated in Kozhikode.
        (3)Carding, devices for: Historian of science Joseph Needham ascribes the invention of bow-instruments used in textile technology to India. The earliest evidence for using bow-instruments for carding comes from India (2nd century CE). These carding devices, called kaman and dhunaki would loosen the texture of the fiber by the means of a vibrating string.
        (3)Map showing origin and diffusion of chess from India to Asia, Africa, and Europe, and the changes in the native names of the game in corresponding places and time.
        Chaturanga and Shatranj: The precursors of chess originated in India during the Gupta dynasty (c. 280 – 550 CE). Both the Persians and Arabs ascribe the origins of the game of Chess to the Indians. The words for “chess” in Old Persian and Arabic are chatrang and shatranj respectively — terms derived from caturaṅga in Sanskrit, which literally means an army of four divisions or four corps. Chess spread throughout the world and many variants of the game soon began taking shape. This game was introduced to the Near East from India and became a part of the princely or courtly education of Persian nobility.Buddhist pilgrims, Silk Road traders and others carried it to the Far East where it was transformed and assimilated into a game often played on the intersection of the lines of the board rather than within the squares. Chaturanga reached Europe through Persia, the Byzantine empire and the expanding Arabian empire. Muslims carried Shatranj to North Africa, Sicily, and Spain by the 10th century where it took its final modern form of chess.
        (5)Chintz: The origin of Chintz is from the printed all cotton fabric of calico in India. The origin of the word chintz itself is from the Hindi language word which means a spot.
        (6)Coherer, iron and mercury: In 1899, the Bengali physicist Sir Jagdish Chandra Bose announced the development of an “iron-mercury-iron coherer with telephone detector” in a paper presented at the Royal Society, London. He also later received U.S. Patent 755,840, “Detector for electrical disturbances” (1904), for a specific electromagnetic receiver.
        (7)Cotton gin, single-roller: The Ajanta caves of India yield evidence of a single roller cotton gin in use by the 5th century.This cotton gin was used in India until innovations were made in form of foot powered gins. The cotton gin was invented in India as a mechanical device known as charkhi, more technically the “wooden-worm-worked roller”. This mechanical device was, in some parts of India, driven by water power.
        (8)Crescograph: The crescograph, a device for measuring growth in plants, was invented in the early 20th century by the Bengali scientist Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose.
        (9)Crucible steel: Perhaps as early as 300 BCE—although certainly by 200 CE—high quality steel was being produced in southern India also by what Europeans would later call the crucible technique. In this system, high-purity wrought iron, charcoal, and glass were mixed in a crucible and heated until the iron melted and absorbed the carbon.The first crucible steel was the wootz steel that originated in India before the beginning of the common era.Archaeological evidence suggests that this manufacturing process was already in existence in South India well before the Christian era.
        (10)Dock (maritime): The earliest known docks were those discovered in Wadi al-Jarf, an ancient Egyptian habor dating from 4500 BCE located on the Red Sea coast. A dock at Lothal (2400 BCE) was located away from the main current to avoid deposition of silt.Modern oceanographers have observed that the Harappans must have possessed knowledge relating to tides in order to build such a dock on the ever-shifting course of the Sabarmati, as well as exemplary hydrography and maritime engineering. This was the earliest known dock found in the world, equipped to berth and service ships. It is speculated that Lothal engineers studied tidal movements, and their effects on brick-built structures, since the walls are of kiln-burnt bricks. This knowledge also enabled them to select Lothal’s location in the first place, as the Gulf of Khambhat has the highest tidal amplitude and ships can be sluiced through flow tides in the river estuary.

        (11) Cotton being dyed manually in contemporary India.
        Incense clock: Although popularly associated with China the incense clock is believed to have originated in India, at least in its fundamental form if not function. Early incense clocks found in China between the 6th and 8th century CE—the period it appeared in China all seem to have Devanāgarī carvings on them instead of Chinese seal characters. Incense itself was introduced to China from India in the early centuries CE, along with the spread of Buddhism by travelling monks.Edward Schafer asserts that incense clocks were probably an Indian invention, transmitted to China, which explains the Devanāgarī inscriptions on early incense clocks found in China.Silvio Bedini on the other hand asserts that incense clocks were derived in part from incense seals mentioned in Tantric Buddhist scriptures, which first came to light in China after those scriptures from India were translated into Chinese, but holds that the time-telling function of the seal was incorporated by the Chinese.
        (12)India ink, carbonaceous pigment: The source of the carbon pigment used in India ink was India. In India, the carbon black from which India ink is produced is obtained by burning bones, tar, pitch, and other substances. Ink itself has been used in India since at least the 4th century BCE Masi, an early ink in India was an admixture of several chemical components. Indian documents written in Kharosthi with ink have been unearthed in Xinjiang. The practice of writing with ink and a sharp pointed needle was common in ancient South India. Several Jain sutras in India were compiled in ink.
        (13)Indian clubs: The Indian club—which appeared in Europe during the 18th century—was used long by India’s native soldiery before its introduction to Europe.[47] During the British Raj the British officers in India performed calisthenic exercises with clubs to keep in for physical conditioning.From Britain the use of club swinging spread to the rest of the world.
        (14)Kabaddi: The game of kabaddi originated in India during prehistory.Suggestions on how it evolved into the modern form range from wrestling exercises, military drills, and collective self-defense but most authorities agree that the game existed in some form or the other in India during the period between 1500 and 400 BCE.
        (15)Ludo: Pachisi originated in India by the 6th century. The earliest evidence of this game in India is the depiction of boards on the caves of Ajanta. This game was played by the Mughal emperors of India; a notable example being that of Akbar, who played living Pachisi using girls from his harem. A variant of this game, called Ludo, made its way to England during the British Raj.
        Muslin: The fabric was named after the city where Europeans first encountered it, Mosul, in what is now Iraq, but the fabric actually originated from Dhaka in what is now Bangladesh. In the 9th century, an Arab merchant named Sulaiman makes note of the material’s origin in Bengal (known as Ruhml in Arabic).
        (16)Mysorean rockets: The first iron-cased and metal-cylinder rockets were developed by Tipu Sultan, ruler of the South Indian Kingdom of Mysore, and his father Hyder Ali, in the 1780s. He successfully used these iron-cased rockets against the larger forces of the British East India Company during the Anglo-Mysore Wars. The Mysore rockets of this period were much more advanced than what the British had seen, chiefly because of the use of iron tubes for holding the propellant; this enabled higher thrust and longer range for the missile (up to 2 km range). After Tipu’s eventual defeat in the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War and the capture of the Mysore iron rockets, they were influential in British rocket development, inspiring the Congreve rocket, and were soon put into use in the Napoleonic Wars.

        (17) The Great Stupa at Sanchi (4th-1st century BCE). The dome shaped stupa was used in India as a commemorative monument associated with storing sacred relics.
        Palampore: पालमपुर् (Hindi language) of Indian origin was imported to the western world—notable England and Colonial america—from India. In 17th century England these hand painted cotton fabrics influenced native crewel work design. Shipping vessels from India also took palampore to colonial America, where it was used in quilting.
        (18)Prayer flags: The Buddhist sūtras, written on cloth in India, were transmitted to other regions of the world. These sutras, written on banners, were the origin of prayer flags. Legend ascribes the origin of the prayer flag to the Shakyamuni Buddha, whose prayers were written on battle flags used by the devas against their adversaries, the asuras. The legend may have given the Indian bhikku a reason for carrying the ‘heavenly’ banner as a way of signyfying his commitment to ahimsa.[60] This knowledge was carried into Tibet by 800 CE, and the actual flags were introduced no later than 1040 CE, where they were further modified.[60] The Indian monk Atisha (980-1054 CE) introduced the Indian practice of printing on cloth prayer flags to Tibet.
        (19)Prefabricated home and movable structure: The first prefabricated homes and movable structures were invented in 16th century Mughal India by Akbar. These structures were reported by Arif Qandahari in 1579.

        (20)Wayang Kulit (shadow puppet) in Wayang Purwa type, depicting five Pandava, from left to right: Bhima, Arjuna, Yudhishtira, Nakula, and Sahadeva (Museum Indonesia, Jakarta). Ghosh, Massey, and Banerjee (2006) trace the origins of puppetry in India to the Indus Civilization.
        (21)Ruler: Rulers made from Ivory were in use by the Indus Valley Civilization in what today is Pakistan and some parts of Western India prior to 1500 BCE.Excavations at Lothal (2400 BCE) have yielded one such ruler calibrated to about 1/16 of an inch—less than 2 millimeters.[62] Ian Whitelaw (2007) holds that ‘The Mohenjo-Daro ruler is divided into units corresponding to 1.32 inches (33.5 mm) and these are marked out in decimal subdivisions with amazing accuracy—to within 0.005 of an inch. Ancient bricks found throughout the region have dimensions that correspond to these units.’ Shigeo Iwata (2008) further writes ‘The minimum division of graduation found in the segment of an ivory-made linear measure excavated in Lothal was 1.79 mm (that corresponds to 1/940 of a fathom), while that of the fragment of a shell-made one from Mohenjo-daro was 6.72 mm (1/250 of a fathom), and that of bronze-made one from Harapa was 9.33 mm (1/180 of a fathom).'[64] The weights and measures of the Indus civilization also reached Persia and Central Asia, where they were further modified.
        (21)Seamless celestial globe: Considered one of the most remarkable feats in metallurgy, it was invented in Kashmir by Ali Kashmiri ibn Luqman in between 1589 and 1590 CE, and twenty other such globes were later produced in Lahore and Kashmir during the Mughal Empire. Before they were rediscovered in the 1980s, it was believed by modern metallurgists to be technically impossible to produce metal globes without any seams, even with modern technology.These Mughal metallurgists pioneered the method of lost-wax casting in order to produce these globes.
        (22)Snakes and ladders: Snakes and ladders originated in India as a game based on morality. During British rule of India, this game made its way to England, and was eventually introduced in the United States of America by game-pioneer Milton Bradley in 1943.
        (23)Stepwell: Earliest clear evidence of the origins of the stepwell is found in the Indus Valley Civilization’s archaeological site at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan. The three features of stepwells in the subcontinent are evident from one particular site, abandoned by 2500 BCE, which combines a bathing pool, steps leading down to water, and figures of some religious importance into one structure. The early centuries immediately before the common era saw the Buddhists and the Jains of India adapt the stepwells into their architecture.Both the wells and the form of ritual bathing reached other parts of the world with Buddhism. Rock-cut step wells in the subcontinent date from 200 to 400 CE. Subsequently the wells at Dhank (550-625 CE) and stepped ponds at Bhinmal (850-950 CE) were constructed.
        (24)Stupa: The origin of the stupa can be traced to 3rd century BCE India.It was used as a commemorative monument associated with storing sacred relics.The stupa architecture was adopted in Southeast and East Asia, where it evolved into the pagoda, a Buddhist monument used for enshrining sacred relics.
        Toe stirrup: The earliest known manifestation of the stirrup, which was a toe loop that held the big toe was used in India in as early as 500 BCE or perhaps by 200 BCE according to other sources.This ancient stirrup consisted of a looped rope for the big toe which was at the bottom of a saddle made of fibre or leather.Such a configuration made it suitable for the warm climate of most of India where people used to ride horses barefoot.A pair of megalithic double bent iron bars with curvature at each end, excavated in Junapani in the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh have been regarded as stirrups although they could as well be something else.Buddhist carvings in the temples of Sanchi, Mathura and the Bhaja caves dating back between the 1st and 2nd century BCE figure horsemen riding with elaborate saddles with feet slipped under girths. Sir John Marshall described the Sanchi relief as “the earliest example by some five centuries of the use of stirrups in any part of the world”.In the 1st century CE horse riders in northern India, where winters are sometimes long and cold, were recorded to have their booted feet attached to hooked stirrups. However the form, the conception of the primitive Indian stirrup spread west and east, gradually evolving into the stirrup of today.
        (25)Suits game: Kridapatram is an early suits game, made of painted rags, invented in Ancient India. The term kridapatram literally means “painted rags for playing.” Paper playing cards first appeared in East Asia during the 9th century.The medieval Indian game of ganjifa, or playing cards, is first recorded in the 16th century.
        Wootz steel: Wootz originated in India before the beginning of the common era. Wootz steel was widely exported and traded throughout ancient Europe, China, the Arab world, and became particularly famous in the Middle East, where it became known as Damascus steel. Archaeological evidence suggests that this manufacturing process was already in existence in South India well before the Christian era.

        (27) Jute plants Corchorus olitorius and Corchorus capsularis cultivated first in India.
        Cashmere wool: The fiber is also known as pashm or pashmina for its use in the handmade shawls of Kashmir, India. The woolen shawls made from wool in Kashmir region of India find written mention between 3rd century BCE and the 11th century CE. However, the founder of the cashmere wool industry is traditionally held to be the 15th-century ruler of Kashmir, Zayn-ul-Abidin, who employed weavers from Central Asia.
        (28)Cotton cultivation: Cotton was cultivated by the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilization by the 5th millennium BCE – 4th millennium BCE. The Indus cotton industry was well developed and some methods used in cotton spinning and fabrication continued to be practiced till the modern Industrialization of India.Well before the Common Era, the use of cotton textiles had spread from India to the Mediterranean and beyond.
        (29)Indigo dye: Indigo, a blue pigment and a dye, was used in India, which was also the earliest major center for its production and processing. The Indigofera tinctoria variety of Indigo was domesticated in India. Indigo, used as a dye, made its way to the Greeks and the Romans via various trade routes, and was valued as a luxury product.
        (30)Jute cultivation: Jute has been cultivated in India since ancient times. Raw jute was exported to the western world, where it was used to make ropes and cordage.The Indian jute industry, in turn, was modernized during the British Raj in India. The region of Bengal was the major center for Jute cultivation, and remained so before the modernization of India’s jute industry in 1855, when Kolkata became a center for jute processing in India.
        (31)Sugar refinement: Sugarcane was originally from tropical South Asia and Southeast Asia. Different species likely originated in different locations with S. barberi originating in India and S. edule and S. officinarum coming from New Guinea.The process of producing crystallized sugar from sugarcane was discovered by the time of the Imperial Guptas, and the earliest reference of candied sugar comes from India. The process was soon transmitted to China with traveling Buddhist monks. Chinese documents confirm at least two missions to India, initiated in 647 CE, for obtaining technology for sugar-refining. Each mission returned with results on refining sugar.
        (32)Mathematics[edit]Number System
        Oriya ୦ ୧ ୨ ୩ ୪ ୫ ୬ ୭ ୮ ୯

        Devanagari ० १ २ ३ ४ ५ ६ ७ ८ ९
        Gujarati ૦ ૧ ૨ ૩ ૪ ૫ ૬ ૭ ૮ ૯
        Tibetan ༠ ༡ ༢ ༣ ༤ ༥ ༦ ༧ ༨ ༩

        (33)The half-chord version of the sine function was developed by the Indian mathematician Aryabhatta.

        (34) Brahmagupta’s theorem (598–668) states that AF = FD.
        AKS primality test: The AKS primality test is a deterministic primality-proving algorithm created and published by three Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur computer scientists, Manindra Agrawal, Neeraj Kayal, and Nitin Saxena on 6 August 2002 in a paper titled PRIMES is in P.Commenting on the impact of this discovery, Paul Leyland noted: “One reason for the excitement within the mathematical community is not only does this algorithm settle a long-standing problem, it also does so in a brilliantly simple manner. Everyone is now wondering what else has been similarly overlooked”.
        Algebraic abbreviations: The mathematician Brahmagupta had begun using abbreviations for unknowns by the 7th century. He employed abbreviations for multiple unknowns occurring in one complex problem. Brahmagupta also used abbreviations for square roots and cube roots.
        Basu’s theorem: The Basu’s theorem, a result of Debabrata Basu (1955) states that any complete sufficient statistic is independent of any ancillary statistic.
        Brahmagupta–Fibonacci identity, Brahmagupta formula, Brahmagupta matrix, and Brahmagupta theorem: Discovered by the Indian mathematician, Brahmagupta (598–668 CE).
        (35)Chakravala method: The Chakravala method, a cyclic algorithm to solve indeterminate quadratic equations is commonly attributed to Bhāskara II, (c. 1114–1185 CE) although some attribute it to Jayadeva (c. 950 ~ 1000 CE). Jayadeva pointed out that Brahmagupta’s approach to solving equations of this type would yield infinitely large number of solutions, to which he then described a general method of solving such equations. Jayadeva’s method was later refined by Bhāskara II in his Bijaganita treatise to be known as the Chakravala method, chakra (derived from cakraṃ चक्रं) meaning ‘wheel’ in Sanskrit, relevant to the cyclic nature of the algorithm. With reference to the Chakravala method, E. O. Selenuis held that no European performances at the time of Bhāskara, nor much later, came up to its marvellous height of mathematical complexity.
        (36)Hindu number system: The Hindu numeral system was developed in India between the 2000–1500 BC during the Indus Valley Civilization.
        (37)Zero: Indians were the first to use the zero as a symbol and in arithmetic operations, although Babylonians used zero to signify the ‘absent’. In those earlier times a blank space was used to denote zero, later when it created confusion a dot was used to denote zero(could be found in Bakhshali manuscript). In 500 AD circa Aryabhata again gave a new symbol for zero(0) with some new rules.
        Infinite series for Sine, Cosine, and arctangent: Madhava of Sangamagrama and his successors at the Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics used geometric methods to derive large sum approximations for sine, cosin, and arttangent. They found a number of special cases of series later derived by Brook Taylor series. They also found the second-order Taylor approximations for these functions, and the third-order Taylor approximation for sine.
        (38)Law of signs in multiplication: The earliest use of notation for negative numbers, as subtrahend, is credited by scholars to the Chinese, dating back to the 2nd century BC. Like the Chinese, the Indians used negative numbers as subtrahend, but were the first to establish the “law of signs” with regards to the multiplication of positive and negative numbers, which did not appear in Chinese texts until 1299.Indian mathematicians were aware of negative numbers by the 7th century,and their role in mathematical problems of debt was understood.Mostly consistent and correct rules for working with negative numbers were formulated, and the diffusion of these rules led the Arab intermediaries to pass it on to Europe.
        Pell’s equation, integral solution for: About a thousand years before Pell’s time, Indian scholar Brahmagupta (598–668 CE) was able to find integral solutions to vargaprakṛiti (Pell’s equation): where N is a nonsquare integer, in his Brâhma-sphuṭa-siddhânta treatise.
        (39)Pi, infinite series: The infinite series for π is now attributed to Madhava of Sangamagrama (c. 1340–1425) and his Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics. He made use of the series expansion of to obtain an infinite series expression for π.Their rational approximation of the error for the finite sum of their series are of particular interest. They manipulated the error term to derive a faster converging series for π. They used the improved series to derive a rational expression,for π correct up to eleven decimal places, i.e. .
        Ramanujan theta function, Ramanujan prime, Ramanujan summation, Ramanujan graph and Ramanujan’s sum: Discovered by the Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan in the early 20th century.
        (40)Shrikhande graph: Graph invented by the Indian mathematician S.S. Shrikhande in 1959.
        (41)Sign convention: Symbols, signs and mathematical notation were employed in an early form in India by the 6th century when the mathematician-astronomer Aryabhata recommended the use of letters to represent unknown quantities. By the 7th century Brahmagupta had already begun using abbreviations for unknowns, even for multiple unknowns occurring in one complex problem. Brahmagupta also managed to use abbreviations for square roots and cube roots. By the 7th century fractions were written in a manner similar to the modern times, except for the bar separating the numerator and the denominator.A dot symbol for negative numbers was also employed.The Bakhshali Manuscript displays a cross, much like the modern ‘+’ sign, except that it symbolized subtraction when written just after the number affected.[99] The ‘=’ sign for equality did not exist.[99] Indian mathematics was transmitted to the Islamic world where this notation was seldom accepted initially and the scribes continued to write mathematics in full and without symbols.
        (42)Trigonometric functions, adapted from Greek: The trigonometric functions sine and versine were adapted from the full-chord Greek version (to the modern half-chord versions) by the Indian mathematician, Aryabhata, in the late 5th century.

        (43) Cataract in the Human Eye—magnified view seen on examination with a slit lamp. Indian surgeon Susruta performed cataract surgery by the 6th century BCE.

        (44) Amastigotes in a chorionic villus. Upendranath Brahmachari (19 December 1873–February 6, 1946) discovered Urea Stibamine, a treatment which helped nearly eradicate Visceral leishmaniasis.
        (45)Ayurvedic and Siddha medicine: Ayurveda and Siddha are ancient and traditional systems of medicine. Ayurveda dates back to Iron Age India(1st millennium BC) and still practiced today as a form of complementary and alternative medicine. It means “knowledge for longevity”. Siddha medicine is mostly prevalent in South India. Herbs and minerals are basic raw materials of the Siddha system.
        (46)Cataract surgery: Cataract surgery was known to the Indian physician Sushruta (6th century BCE). In India, cataract surgery was performed with a special tool called the Jabamukhi Salaka, a curved needle used to loosen the lens and push the cataract out of the field of vision. The eye would later be soaked with warm butter and then bandaged. Though this method was successful, Susruta cautioned that cataract surgery should only be performed when absolutely necessary. Greek philosophers and scientists traveled to India where these surgeries were performed by physicians.The removal of cataract by surgery was also introduced into China from India.
        (47)Leprosy: Kearns & Nash (2008) state that the first mention of leprosy is described in the Indian medical treatise Sushruta Samhita (6th century BCE). However, The Oxford Illustrated Companion to Medicine holds that the mention of leprosy, as well as ritualistic cures for it, were described in the Atharva-veda (1500–1200 BCE), written before the Sushruta Samhita.
        (48)Plastic surgery: Plastic surgery was being carried out in India by 2000 BCE.[139] The system of punishment by deforming a miscreant’s body may have led to an increase in demand for this practice.[139] The surgeon Sushruta contributed mainly to the field of Plastic and Cataract surgery.[140] The medical works of both Sushruta and Charak were translated into Arabic language during the Abbasid Caliphate (750 CE). These translated Arabic works made their way into Europe via intermediaries.In Italy the Branca family of Sicily and Gaspare Tagliacozzi of Bologna became familiar with the techniques of Sushruta.
        (49)Lithiasis treatment: The earliest operation for treating lithiasis, or the formations of stones in the body, is also given in the Sushruta Samhita (6th century BCE). The operation involved exposure and going up through the floor of the bladder.
        Visceral leishmaniasis, treatment of: The Indian (Bengali) medical practitioner Upendra Nath Brahmachari (19 December 1873 – 6 February 1946) was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1929 for his discovery of ‘ureastibamine (antimonial compound for treatment of kala azar) and a new disease, post-kalaazar dermal leishmanoid.’ Brahmachari’s cure for Visceral leishmaniasis was the urea salt of para-amino-phenyl stibnic acid which he called Urea Stibamine. Following the discovery of Urea Stibamine, Visceral leishmaniasis was largely eradicated from the world, except for some underdeveloped regions.
        Diamond, mining, engraving, and use as tool: Diamonds were first recognized and mined in central India, where significant alluvial deposits of the stone could then be found along the rivers Penner, Krishna and Godavari. It is unclear when diamonds were first mined in India, although estimated to be at least 5,000 years ago.[148] India remained the world’s only source of diamonds until the discovery of diamonds in Brazil in 18th century.Golconda served as an important centre for diamonds in central India. Diamonds then were exported to other parts of the world, including Europe Early references to diamonds in India come from (Sanskrit texts. The Arthashastra of Kautilya mentions diamond trade in India. Buddhist works dating from the 4th century BCE mention it as a well-known and precious stone but don’t mention the details of diamond cutting. Another Indian description written at the beginning of the 3rd century describes strength, regularity, brilliance, ability to scratch metals, and good refractive properties as the desirable qualities of a diamond. A Chinese work from the 3rd century BCE mentions: “Foreigners wear it [diamond] in the belief that it can ward off evil influences”.The Chinese, who did not find diamonds in their country, initially used diamonds as a “jade cutting knife” instead of as a jewel.
        (51)Zinc, mining and medicinal use: Zinc was first smelted from zinc ore in India. Zinc mines of Zawar, near Udaipur, Rajasthan, were active during early Christian era.There are references of medicinal uses of zinc in the Charaka Samhita (300 BCE).The Rasaratna Samuccaya which dates back to the Tantric period (c. 5th – 13th century CE) explains the existence of two types of ores for zinc metal, one of which is ideal for metal extraction while the other is used for medicinal purpose.

        (52) Bengali Chemist Prafulla Chandra Roy synthesized NH4NO2 in its pure form.

        A Ramachandran plot generated from the protein PCNA, a human DNA clamp protein that is composed of both beta sheets and alpha helices (PDB ID 1AXC). Points that lie on the axes indicate N- and C-terminal residues for each subunit. The green regions show possible angle formations that include Glycine, while the blue areas are for formations that don’t include Glycine.
        Ammonium nitrite, synthesis in pure form: Prafulla Chandra Roy synthesized NH4NO2 in its pure form, and became the first scientist to have done so. Prior to Ray’s synthesis of Ammonium nitrite it was thought that the compound undergoes rapid thermal decomposition releasing nitrogen and water in the process.
        (53)Ashtekar variables: In theoretical physics, Ashtekar (new) variables, named after Abhay Ashtekar who invented them, represent an unusual way to rewrite the metric on the three-dimensional spatial slices in terms of a SU(2) gauge field and its complementary variable. Ashtekar variables are the key building block of loop quantum gravity.
        (54)Bhatnagar-Mathur Magnetic Interference Balance: Invented jointly by Shanti Swarup Bhatnagar and K.N. Mathur in 1928, the so-called ‘Bhatnagar-Mathur Magnetic Interference Balance’ was a modern instrument used for measuring various magnetic properties. The first appearance of this instrument in Europe was at a Royal Society exhibition in London, where it was later marketed by British firm Messers Adam Hilger and Co, London.
        (55)Bhabha scattering: In 1935, Indian nuclear physicist Homi J. Bhabha published a paper in the Proceedings of the Royal Society, Series A, in which he performed the first calculation to determine the cross section of electron-positron scattering. Electron-positron scattering was later named Bhabha scattering, in honor of his contributions in the field.
        (56)Bose–Einstein statistics, condensate and Boson: On 4 June 1924 the Bengali professor of Physics Satyendra Nath Bose mailed a short manuscript to Albert Einstein entitled Planck’s Law and the Light Quantum Hypothesis seeking Einstein’s influence to get it published after it was rejected by the prestigious journal Philosophical Magazine.[162] The paper introduced what is today called Bose statistics, which showed how it could be used to derive the Planck blackbody spectrum from the assumption that light was made of photons. Einstein, recognizing the importance of the paper translated it into German himself and submitted it on Bose’s behalf to the prestigious Zeitschrift für Physik.Einstein later applied Bose’s principles on particles with mass and quickly predicted the Bose-Einstein condensate.
        (57)Chandrasekhar limit and Chandrasekhar number: Discovered by and named after Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, who received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1983 for his work on stellar structure and stellar evolution.
        Galena, applied use in electronics of: Bengali scientist Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose effectively used Galena crystals for constructing radio receivers.The Galena receivers of Bose were used to receive signals consisting of shortwave, white light and ultraviolet light. In 1904 Bose patented the use of Galena Detector which he called Point Contact Diode using Galena.
        (58)Mahalanobis distance: Introduced in 1936 by the Indian (Bengali) statistician Prasanta Chandra Mahalanobis (29 June 1893–June 28, 1972), this distance measure, based upon the correlation between variables, is used to identify and analyze differing pattern with respect to one base.
        (59)Mercurous Nitrite: The compound mercurous nitrite was discovered in 1896 by the Bengali chemist Prafulla Chandra Roy, who published his findings in the Journal of Asiatic Society of Bengal. The discovery contributed as a base for significant future research in the field of chemistry.
        (60)Ramachandran plot, Ramachandran map, and Ramachandran angles: The Ramachandran plot and Ramachandran map were developed by Gopalasamudram Narayana Iyer Ramachandran, who published his results in the Journal of Molecular Biology in 1963. He also developed the Ramachandran angles, which serve as a convenient tool for communication, representation, and various kinds of data analysis.
        (61)Raman effect: The Encyclopædia Britannica (2008) reports: “change in the wavelength of light that occurs when a light beam is deflected by molecules. The phenomenon is named for Sir Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, who discovered it in 1928. When a beam of light traverses a dust-free, transparent sample of a chemical compound, a small fraction of the light emerges in directions other than that of the incident (incoming) beam. Most of this scattered light is of unchanged wavelength. A small part, however, has wavelengths different from that of the incident light; its presence is a result of the Raman effect.”
        (62)Raychaudhuri equation: Discovered by the Bengali physicist Amal Kumar Raychaudhuri in 1954. This was a key ingredient of the Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems of general relativity.
        (63)Saha ionization equation: The Saha equation, derived by the Bengali scientist Meghnad Saha (6 October 1893 – 16 February 1956) in 1920, conceptualizes ionizations in context of stellar atmospheres

      • nitha

        We are not Weak has no need to sympathy but have the right to survive.

        Barely seven years after Prof. B B Lal penned “The Sarasvati Flows On: The Continuity of Indian Culture” (2002)[ also at Nausharo in pre-partition India (now Pakistan), French excavator Jean-Francois Jarrige], the defiantly-in-denial UPA has been forced to admit the existence of the Pre Harappan civilization- the Vaidic Saraswati Civilisation-the oldest civilisation of India, supporting this bold hypothesis is powerful evidence from hydrology, geology, literature, archaeology and radiocarbon dating, in response to a parliamentary question, the government revealed that a study by scientists of ISRO, Jodhpur, and the Rajasthan Government’s Ground Water Department has found irrefutable evidence of palaeo-channels and archaeological sites of pre-Harappan, Harappan and post-Harappan ages, indicating the existence of a mighty river matching descriptions of the Saraswati in Vedic literature.
        But who were these Vedic people ?
        Were they Aryan invaders as we were taught in school, or indigenous ancestors whose achievements were ‘stolen’ by ascribing them to so-called Aryans, a people who have left no traces of like achievements in any of the lands from where they supposedly descended upon the Indian plains?
        This era also created the ploughshare and spoked wheel, the tandoor and roti, chulha and chapatti, and pots and pans and other vessels of daily use.
        But, who were these Vedic people ?
        There was a rich industry in bead-making, shell, ivory-working, mainly copper and bronze, though gold and silver ornaments had also arrived.
        Truly a Golden Age. The only thing missing is the inscrutable script, surely a precursor to Brahmi, the language that developed later!
        This is augmented by the famous limestone statuette of the Mohenjo-daro priest-king, with his eyes introvert and eyelids half-closed, a meditative form later associated with Buddhist tradition, especially in Tibet and China.
        Yet this form of dhyana is mentioned in the Bhagvadgita (ch. 6, verse 13) which states that the gaze should be fixed on the tip of the nose!
        Town planning, especially given the chaos in our cities today, will remain ancient India’s greatest contribution to civilisation. Be it Kalibangan, or Sisupalgarh near Bhubaneshwar, Orissa, the grid pattern with streets running north-south and east-west was the rage. This, it is pertinent, was an era in which Egypt or Mesopotamia (the West’s favourite ‘cradle’ of civilisation) had no notion of such town planning – which must be conceded was original to India. To cap it all, there were covered drains and manholes for discharge of sullage.
        Bricks were kiln-fired, and there was bonding, with bricks laid out in alternate courses – length-wise and breadth-wise – for strong walls, way back in the third millennium BCE. And clay floors were soled with fragments of terracotta nodules and large pieces of charcoal – to absorb moisture, prevent dampness travelling up the walls, and inhibiting termites!
        But, who were these Vedic people ?
        It is now conclusively established that there was no Aryan Invasion, or even Migration (the current theory). What does remain, however, is a West-led mental resistance to accepting the indigenous origins of the Vedic (Hindu) religion, culture, and civilisation.

      • som

        “Hinduism will survive, or prosper on it’s own strength. because it had inherent strength within,”
        .Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus are studies, which originated in India.* Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to mankind. The Father of Medicine, Charaka, consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.* India was one of the richest countries till the time of British rule in the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus, attracted by India’s wealth, had come looking for a sea route to India when he discovered America by mistake.The Art of Navigation & Navigating was born in the river Sindh over 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word ‘NAVGATIH’. The word navy is also derived from the Sanskrit word ‘Nou’.Bhaskaracharya rightly calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the Sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. According to his calculation, the time taken by the Earth to orbit the Sun was 365.258756484 days.The value of “pi” was first calculated by the Indian Mathematician Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century, long before the European mathematicians.Quadratic Equations were used by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10*53 (i.e. 10 to the power of 53) with specific names as early as 5000 B.C.during the Vedic period.Even today, the largest used number is Terra: 10*12(10 to the power of 12).Until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds in the world
        (Source: Gemological Institute of America).
        Sushruta is regarded as the Father of Surgery. Over2600 years ago Sushrata & his team conducted complicated surgeries like cataract, artificial limbs, cesareans, fractures, urinary stones, plastic surgery and brain surgeries.Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient Indian medicine. Detailed knowledge of anatomy, embryology, digestion, metabolism,physiology, etiology, genetics and immunity is also found in many ancient Indian texts.Varanasi, also known as Benaras, was called “the Ancient City” when Lord Buddha visited it in 500 B.C., and is the oldest, continuously inhabited city in the world today.
        Martial Arts were first created in India, and later spread to Asia by Buddhist missionaries.Yoga has its origins in India and has existed for over 5,000 years.

      • Shlok

        @Cynical, sorry wrong observation. Ancient religions of Europe, Middle East & South America disappeared due to the brutality of the Chrisitan missionaries, who massacred the practitiouners of these faith. What happened to the great Incas, Mayas, Aztecs, Druids, etc.,.. had India not proven the barrier, be sure that Shinto, Taoism and Shamanism would also have collapsed. But HIndus still survived. Becase of the HIndus, Zorastrian culture survived. This is pure Hindu superiority magnificience that despite having so many holocausts in the past 1,000 years, we still survived and will continue. It was Mohamed Iqbal who had said that the great ship of Islam sank in the Ganga. Your comments, “weak has the right to sympathy but not the right to survive” clearly shows your Chrisitan / Muslim / Marxist leanings. In Hindu religion0 the weak are protected. In Hindu religion, even animals are protected. Don’t worry when Hindu Rashtra is established, I guarantee that even persons like you will be protected though I am pretty sure you would then be under the endangered species category

  6. Jaipal


    Much of the human advancements you mentioned above were
    accomplished inspite of Christianity and Islam. Note the word “inspite”.

    Christianity and Islam as such had nothing to do with scientific
    development or technological advances. Christianity was
    responsible for the dark ages in Europe for 1000 years.

    Remember how Galileo was treated by the Church?

    Interestingly, paganism is actually being revived in Europe.
    In Greece, many people are trying to go back to their pagan roots.
    If your contention was right, then why is it that Christianity is on the
    decline in Western nations?? People there are showing more interest
    in pagan-based spiritualities rather than in Christianity.

    You have your understanding backwards. Ever since modern era,
    scientific progress actually seems to be weakening people’s faith
    in Christianity and pushing them towards paganic belief-systems.
    So the truth is actually the other way around.

  7. Was Galileo a Hindu? Why so much sympathy for Galileo, who was a monotheist as well.
    P.S I personally respect Galileo.

    • cnm

      Galileo was not a monotheist. He was a victim of Monotheism. In fact all the Christians and Muslims are the victims of Monotheism.

    • Jaipal


      Galileo may have been born as a Monotheist since he was born
      in Europe which at that time was dominated by the Church.

      That does not mean that he agreed with the principles and concept
      of Monotheism. Otherwise why was he persecuted by the Church??
      Because he went against it and didn’t conform to its bullshit!

      Monotheism is not a racial ideology and it is not dependent on race
      or nationality. You seem to be under the delusion that monotheists
      are a race. Its not so. They are an ideological/dogmatic group.
      Therefore, in essence, Galileo can’t be considered a Monotheist
      cause he went against it.

      Monotheists are not people by birth but basically by ideological
      tendencies and proclivities.

      Here too, your way of thinking is flawed.

  8. Jaipal

    “Was Galileo a Hindu”?
    Posted by Cynical.


    In essence, you could say yes, he was a “Hindu” in spirit and character
    in that he believed in freedom of expression and freedom of thought
    without having any theological constraints. His attitude and outlook
    has more in common with Hindu way of looking at the world without
    any dogmatic restraints. So in that sense, he could be considered
    a Hindu.

    I hope you could understand the logic of my argument but I’m
    not holding my breath.

    • Of course I have understood your logic. In fact I am now convinced that all successful people of past and present are Hindus, even if some of them are beef-eaters. Though they eat beef, they are “Hindu” as you say, in spirit and character. Equally all evil people are non-Hindu even if they are born Hindu. It’s a very convenient philosophy, makes life so full of spiritual bliss. After all sweet lies are better than bitter truth for the practitioners of oriental cunning. By the way I have heard the gospel truth that the formulae and technologies to make nuclear bombs, aero planes, life saving drugs and many such scientific marvels were there in the Vedas; the west stole it from us. Happy!!!!!

      • Indian Realist

        Forget about Hindus, can you tell me what Muslims have invented in the last 1,000 years?

        • Wrong question. People don’t invent things because of their religion. Inventors are individuals with exceptional capability. So no invention is Hindu, Christian or Muslim. These labels are used by people who has not much success in their own life and try to claim a share in reflected glory by association with the religion of the inventor. A psychiatrist will explain this trait better..

          • Indian Realist

            Not really. Monotheistic religions are terrified of new knowledge as they depend on brainwashing of masses to continue running their shop. That is why scientists are burnt on the stake. How terrified the church was of the fact that earth goes around the sun, and not the other way round, as told in the Bible. Similarly, Islam says that nothing is required beyond Koran — any knowledge that exists in Koran is already accessible to Muslims, and that which is not available in Koran is superfluous.

            The day Renaissance happened in Europe, people threw away shackles of the church. The same thing will happen to the Mullah and hence Muslims are not allowed to study in secular schools by the Mullahs but only in madrasas. This is the reason why Christians during church-dominated dark ages and Muslims till now have not been able to invent anything new or extend the frontiers of knowledge and make humanity progress. Only eastern religions have no issue with new knowledge as they are based on exploration of truth, not on revealed truth that cannot be altered ever.

            Koran says mountains are put on earth by Allah as paper weights so that it does not fly away — now tell me, will Muslims believe this if they gain knowledge of geography?

          • cnm

            It is not at all a wrong question. Monotheism never allows any new invention. Because it always wants to keep its followers as slaves not giving them any liberty to exercise their thinking faculty.

            • I guess that’s why Hindus have won most of the Nobel Prizes and hold the patent for most of the scientific/technological marvels of the last millenium.

              • Jaipal


                Those inventions have nothing to do with Monotheism, but inspite
                of it. So, its a moot point.

                In the last millenium, Hindus were preoccupied with fighting
                against malignant invaders, so they neither had the time or
                peace of mind to strictly concentrate on such matters.

                I wouldn’t blame them for that. Survival comes first.

              • cnm

                How can we Hindus win any Nobel prize when the educational system developed by the secular establishment is so poor as to accommodate any fundamental research.

                • cnm

                  Now that you have raised the issue of Nobel prize, promise you will not run away when I will bombard you with information.Here is first salvo. Read this:-

                  • cnm

                    As of now you have not made any promise that you will not give me the slip in the face of solid information. Shall I say then as always you have run away?

                  • So you admit that it’s your own failure to build proper infrastrucure conducive to research. That’s your problem. Why should I run away?
                    May be you think Nobel committee should grant Indian Hindus reservation because they are backward in research. Ha….ha….ha.

                    • cnm

                      @ cynical
                      Do not bark you Idiot. Read carefully before make any comment. I am not a secularist and India is ruled by secularists not by Hindus. First it was ruled by that Hindu-basher Colonial lick-spittle Nehru and then by his descendants. When you admit that you do not run away then quote the verses from the Vedas that prescribe Beef eating. And do not deviate by raising the nonsense which all of your comments invariably contain.
                      Now enjoy reading this if you have time from barking at Hindus.

                      I know such information runs riot in your stomach but do not worry, I will give you some good Ayurvedic medicines for that.

                    • cnm

                      @ Cynical
                      Read the epilogue to chapter 3 of Dr. Aroup Chatterjee’s Book on the Vamp Teresa, “The Final Verdict”. It gives an idea as to the despicable politics and diplomacy that decide the recipient of the Nobel. It is difficult to believe that you will read this chapter.Because,once you read that you may change your opinion about Nobel. And anti-Hindu bigot like you never undergo change.

          • Sindhus


            So in ur own words, you have had ” not much success in their own life and try to claim a share in reflected glory by association with the religion of the inventor. A psychiatrist will explain this trait better..”

            Remember, you said that Christians invented trousers and started this debate of religion and invention?

          • Anonymous

            Cynical anal orifice – did you ever talk to a psychiatrist about the basic traits of Hindusim, and the barbaric desert cults ? If you can spell psychiatrist, surely you understand the difference between civilized and utter barbarian ?

        • Why should I forget about Hindus? As some one willing to join the ‘proud hindu group’ my first concern is hindu invention in last 1000 years. If the Muslim didn’t invent much (which is true) during the same period, how it can help the hindu pride?

          • Shlok

            @Cyniclal, for 1,000 years Hindus were continuously fighting against the Muslims and Christians, the former having closed all schools. How do you expect them to have made new discoveries in these years.

      • Jaipal


        Apparently you didn’t understand what I was saying above.
        There is alot more to Hinduism than simply diet.

        The point was belief-systems like Hinduism allow for freedom of
        thought and expression, something which is simply not tolerated
        in the Monotheist creeds. As an example, Christians even today,
        are against the teaching of scientific concepts like Evolution, simply
        because it contradicts the Biblical view which stands for Creationism.
        They have a hard time digesting that. Same with the Muslims.
        Their opposition is based not on reason or even logic but purely
        on dogmatic grounds. This is not so with Hinduism.

        As for your bringing up the topic of evil goes, you fail to understand
        the nature of evil. In every society criminals do exist but there
        are laws which punish and discourage such behaviour from
        becoming the norm.
        In the Monotheist creeds, evil is taught and encouraged by their
        respective theologies, so there are no checks or balances against
        theologically inspired criminality. On the contrary, it will be vigorously
        encouraged , particularly if it is directed at non-believers.

        Did you finally understand or not??

        • You are right. The Christian fundamentalist refuses to accept Theory of Evolution. But they are a miniscule part among the Christians. An average Christian has come out of the religious book, visiting church much less and becoming more like an atheist. That’s why in last 1000 years they have excelled in the field of science and technology. What is the contribution of the Hindus in that period? How many Nobel winners are Hindus? And how many are Jews and Christians?

          • Jaipal


            But the Christian fundamentalist represents what Christianity
            actually is, therfore, all the more reason for eradicating Monotheist
            creeds. They are against progressive and open-minded thinking.

            In the last millenium, the Hindus were preoccupied in fighting for
            their survival against malignant invaders. So, they didn’t
            have the time or peace of mind to look at this matter.
            I don’t blame them. Survival comes first.

          • Anonymous

            Cynical asshole, Jews have won more Nobel Prizes per capita than any other nation. Read some history.

            • Does not make any difference. Jews are monotheists as well, just like Cristians.

              • Anonymous

                The Christians worship a Triune god. And The Yahuds have always been a peaceful community in every country.

              • Indian Realist

                There is a huge difference. Jews haven’t been commanded by God to convert the whole world on pain of death and wipe out other religions. They keep their beliefs to themselves and have been harmless throughout history. Not so for Christians and Muslims, both of whom are genocidal.

          • Hari

            Do you want a Nobel Prize and truckloads of international honors and awards?

            The easy thing to do is to marry a Rothschild woman.

            But, if you are black or brown skinned you will get only a divorced Rothschild woman.

            • @Hari

              You are not educated enough to talk about Nobel prize, in fact you weigh less than a strand of Amartya Sen’s pubic hair. A Low-life like you deserve to be sodomised by a Kabuliwala.

              • Hari

                Here is what bullshit Amartya Sen wrote in his books and told in all foreign TV channels till be frothed from his cancer affected mouth.
                1) There was adequate food in Bengal at the time of the great famine in 1943.

                2) There was NO need for Churchill to send rice to India .

                3) Diverting grain ships from Australia passing India enroute to Suez Canal every few days, was NOT necessary

                4) Bengalis did panic buying and greedy hoarding in a disgraceful manner.

                5) The local administration consisting of mainly Bengalis were corrupt and inefficient in food distribution.

                6) How incompetence and corruption can cause famine in a land of plenty.

                7) Root cause of famine was inflation and speculative hoarding by Bengalis. It was NOT hoarded by British for the army.

                8) Food was stocked 13% more in Bengal than in 1943 than in 1941. Hence it was OK for Churchill to export food from India.

                9) Famine cannot exist in proper democracy. ( India under princely states never had famine )

                10) 1943 famine was a local Bengali man made thing. The incompetence was native NOT of the British.

                11) Bengali producers exported food.

                12) Wages of labourers was NOT in par with food prices. Enough food was there , believe me, I saw it in the local bania godowns .

              • Hari

                20th September 1893

                Christians must always be ready for good criticism and I hardly
                think that you will mind if I make a little criticism- you
                Christians, who are so fond of sending out missionaries to save the
                soul of the heathen – why do you not try to save their bodies from
                starvation? In India, during the terrible famines, thousands died
                from hunger, yet you Christians did nothing. you erect churches
                all through India, but the crying evil in the East is not religion
                – they have religion enough -but it is bread that the suffering
                millions of burning India cry out for with parched throats. They
                ask us for bread, but we give them stones. It is an insult to the
                starving people to offer them religion; it is an insult to the
                starving man to teach him metaphysics. In India a priest that
                preached for money would lose caste and be spat upon by the people.
                I came here to seek aid for my impoverished people, and I filly
                realized how difficult it was to get help for heathens from
                Christians in a Christian land.[Swami Vivekananda]

                Famines inBritish India between 1765 and 1947 Year,Name of famine (if any),British territory [1]769–70Great Bengal Famine Bihar, Northern and Central Bengal10 million, (about one third of the then population of Bengal [2] 1783–84,Chalisa famine,Delhi, Western Oudh, Eastern Punjab region, Rajputana, and Kashmir Severe famine. Large areas were depopulated. Up to 11 million people may have died during the years 1782–84.
                [3]1791–92 ,Doji bara famine or Skull famine Hyderabad, Southern Maratha country, Deccan, Gujarat, and Marwar One of the most severe famines known. People died in such numbers that they could not be cremated or buried. It is thought that 11 million people may have died during the years 1788–94 [4]1837–38 ,Agra famine of 1837–38,Central Doab and trans-Jumna districts of the North-Western Provinces (later Agra Province), including Delhi and Hissar800,000 [5]1860–61Upper Doab of Agra; Delhi and Hissar divisions of the Punjab,Eastern Rajputana,2 million [5]1865–67,Orissa famine of 1866,Orissa (also 1867) and Bihar; Bellary and Ganjam districts of Madras,1 million (814,469 in Orissa, 135,676 in Bihar and 10,898 in Ganjam)
                [6]1868–70,Rajputana famine of 1869,Ajmer, Western Agra, Eastern Punjab,Rajputana,1.5 million (mostly in the princely states of Rajputana)
                [7]1873–74,Bihar famine of 1873–74,Bihar,An extensive relief effort was organized by the Bengal government. [8]1876–78Great Famine of 1876–78 (also Southern India famine of 1876–78)Madras and BombayMysore and Hyderabad6.1 to 10.3 million [9]1888–89Ganjam, Orissa and North Bihar150,000 deaths [10]Ganjam. Deaths were due to starvation as famine relief was not provided in time.
                [11]1896–97,Indian famine of 1896–97, Madras, Bombay Deccan, Bengal, United Provinces, Central Provinces,Northern and eastern Rajputana, parts of Central India and Hyderabad,5 million
                [12]1899–1900,Indian famine of 1899–1900,Bombay, Central Provinces, Berar, Ajmer,Hyderabad, Rajputana, Central India, Baroda, Kathiawar, Cutch,1 million [13]1905–06,BombayBundelkhand,235,062 [14]1943–44,Bengal famine of 1943, Bengal,4.5 million

                Is it not time that the descendants of the victims of The Great Holocaust of Bengal sought compensation from the present Government of the United Kingdom? Is it possible to initiate a criminal case against Winston Churchill and all those who were in power during 1942-45 (or during 1765-1947) in British Government? Is that too much to ask for? Do you believe that the systematic murder of six million white-skinned Jews was a crime worthy of punishment, while the killing of thirty million black-skinned people of Bengal does not even deserve a footnote in history?

            • Is this guy Ajit Vadakayil is an economist? a sociologist? a historian?
              Why should I spend my valuable 5 mnts reading his rants.

  9. Jaipal

    @Duart Maclean,

    The first part of your above paragraph is actually not quite right.
    The Indians have always fought and resisted militarily most
    invaders and either won in the initial round or in the final round,
    after prolonged struggle.

    The Arabs were defeated 30 times by Indian Hindu kings and
    kept in check for nearly 300 years. This is admitted by Arab
    historians by the way. The Arabs considered the Indians as a
    powerful people who were hard to defeat in battle. You should
    seriously read their admiration and fear of the Indian forces of that
    time. You will be shocked.

    As for the Greeks, even they too could not conquer India.
    Alexander’s Macedonian forces faced a very stiff battle with
    the Indian ruler Porus and it destroyed their morale, a fact
    admitted by Greek historians which forced Alexander to retreat.
    The Mauryan Dynasty defeated the residual Macedonian forces
    in the Northwest and eliminated them, again testified by Greek
    sources. The Seleucids also tried but they also failed at the hands
    of the Mauryan empire. The Bactrian Greeks also tried but they
    were defeated and kept in check by the successors of the Mauryas,
    namely by the Sunga Empire. There are inscriptions proving this.

    The French were really not much of a problem and they also
    couldn’t conquer India. The French were basically allowed
    trading posts by the local Indian rulers like Pondicherry.

    The Portuguese also couldn’t go beyond the coastal areas and
    here too, the local Indian rulers simply allowed them trading posts
    with the purpose of trade. The Indian Kingdoms kept the
    Portuguese contained and confined to the coast. It should
    be noted that a Hindu Kingdom like Calicut successfully fought a
    100 year war with the Portuguese and emerged victorious.
    Later, the Marathas would remove the residual Portuguese
    presence from the coast.

    The British could only gain control of India largely because of
    Indian troops called Sepoys working for them and local
    collaborators like some Maharajahs.

    As for the Chinese, the 1962 war was more of a border skirmish
    of limited value. But I would like to draw your attention that
    Indian forces had successfully invaded Western Tibet in 1841 AD
    and fought a battle called Battle of Chushul which defeated a
    combined Tibetan-Chinese imperial army. In 1967 AD, the
    Indian army had fought a conflict with China in Sikkim and
    defeated the Chinese there, a battle known as Battle of Chola
    and Battle of Nathu-La.

    When you actually compare India’s military record with countries
    in the Middle-east, Central Asia, it seems far more creditable
    in terms of military resilience and number of victories agaisnt
    outside attackers.

    I mean look at Egypt’s utterly dismal record when compared
    to India’s.

  10. Jaipal


    You do not know the correct history of India.
    The Arabs were defeated 30 times by the Hindu kings,
    a fact admitted by the Arab historians. Mohd Kasim was just
    an aberration. The Arabs lost control of much of Sind very quickly.
    The actual story is that the Arabs failed to conquer India inspite
    of making attempts lasting 300 years. Think about it.

    Ghaznavi was resisted by a Hindu Confederacy and forced back
    which is why he could not conquer India east of the Indus river
    even though he made expeditions further east.

    Lodhis were systematiccally fought and defeated by the Mewar
    Rajputs led by Rana Sanga. Mewar was the strongest kingdom in
    North India at that time. Lodis were weak and were of no real

    Timur was actually defeated and expelled from India by the Khap
    Panchayat armies of the Hindu Jats of North India. Even Timur
    admits this fact in his memoirs.

    Abdali was resisted and finally defeated by the Sikhs and thrown
    out of Punjab by the Khalsa Sikh Armies. This too has been
    admitted by Abdali. Abdali also lost a couple of battles with the
    Marathas, except the Battle of Panipat.

    Nadir Shah was forced to flee from Delhi because a strong Maratha
    force under Baji Rao 1 was coming to fight him and he couldn’t
    face them. Nadir Shah defeated Mughal, not Indian force.

    Robert Clive won the Battle of Plassey largely by bribing the
    general of Siraj-Ad-Daulah, Mir Jafar, to switch sides during the
    battle. This led to confusion and caused his defeat.
    Siraj Ad-Daulah was a strong and redoubtable fighter but treachery
    brought him down.

    Ajmal Kasab is of no consequence. He was caught and finally

  11. Hari

    First, it served to divide India into a northern Aryan and southern Dravidian culture which were made hostile to each other. This kept the Hindus divided and is still a source of social tension.

    Second, it gave the British an excuse in their conquest of India. They could claim to be doing only what the Aryan ancestors of the Hindus had previously done millennia ago.

    Third, it served to make Vedic culture later than and possibly derived from Middle Eastern cultures. With the proximity and relationship of the latter with the Bible and Christianity, this kept the Hindu religion as a sidelight to the development of religion and civilization to the West.

    Fourth, it allowed the sciences of India to be given a Greek basis, as any Vedic basis was largely disqualified by the primitive nature of the Vedic culture.

  12. Hari

    When European dominance was slow to develop. The Portuguese trade routes were mainly restricted and limited by the use of ancient routes, ports, and nations that were difficult to dominate,at that time Roman trade with India through the overland caravan routes via Anatolia and Persia, though at a relative trickle compared to later times, antedated the southern trade route via the Red Sea and monsoons which started around the beginning of the Common Era (CE) following the reign of Augustus and his conquest of Egypt in 30 BCE.
    The route so helped enhance trade between ancient states of India and Rome, that ROMAN POLITICIANS AND HISTORIANS ARE ON RECORD DECRYING THE LOSS OF SILVER AND GOLD TO BUY SILK TO PAMPER ROMAN WIVES, and the southern route grew to eclipse and then totally supplant the overland trade route.

    India has been famous for its spices even from early historical periods. Spices were once India’s ticket to the ancient world’s market. These spices include dried fruits like black pepper and nutmeg, mustard or cumin, roots such as turmeric, garlic and ginger, barks such as cinnamon, chili, mace, clove and coriander, dried buds like saffron, cardamom, beverages such as tea and coffee. In 80 BC, when the Egyptian city of Alexandria became the busiest commercial center on Earth, its bazaars were stocked with Indian spices en route to markets in Greece and the Roman Empire. The Archeology Department of India has reported finding 100,000 Roman coins in the Cauvery River delta, southern India, along the old spice trade route.

    The affect of the spice trade in India was to open INDIA UP AS A WORLD TRADING CENTRE. The prosperity of the nation increased. Ultimately, though, the trade led to unrest in the nation and domination by foreign powers. This domination changed the landscape of India, both culturally and industrially. In the end, it led to bloodshed in India’s bid for independence.
    BUT,DHARMA means ” righteousness”. Dharma leads to eternal bliss, both in this world and the next. It is your sole and soul companion after death. Human acts without conscience which creates conflict is called Adharma. This is the reason why India has never invaded any other country.

    • som

      @ Hari
      The real owner of British East India Company,ROTHSCHILDS became real rich acquiring tons of gold looted from Malabar temples by Tipu sultan(AFTER FALL OF TIPU SULTANATE).
      The looted wealth is real cause of growth of Rothschild empire also growth of Europe,victory in WW i & II,Industrial Revolution an
      prosperity of Christian Western World.

      • karan


      • karan

        The reputed historian, Lewis Rice, who wrote the History of Mysore after going through various official records, stated as follows: “In the vast empire of Tipu Sultan on the eve of his death, there were only two Hindu temples having daily pujas within the Sreerangapatanam fortress. It is only for the satisfaction of the Brahmin astrologers who used to study his horoscope that Tipu Sultan had spared those two temples. The entire wealth of every Hindu temple was confiscated before 1790 itself mainly to make up for the revenue loss due to total prohibition in the country.”
        According to the Malabar Manual of William Logan who was the District Collector for some time, Thrichambaram and Thalipparampu temples in Chirackal Taluqa, Thiruvangatu Temple (Brass Pagoda) in Tellicherry, and Ponmeri Temple near Badakara were all destroyed by Tipu Sultan. The Malabar Manual mention that the Maniyoor mosque was once a Hindu temple. The local belief is that it was converted to a mosque during the days of Tipu Sultan.
        After the capture of Mangalore, thousands of Christians were also forcibly sent to Sreerangapatanam where all of them were circumcised and converted to Islam. Tipu Sultan’s justification was that during the Portuguese domination, prior to the arrival of the British, many Muslims had been converted to Christianity by their Missionaries. He proudly proclaimed his action as a sort of punishment for the conversion of many Muslims by the Portuguese.

  13. Jaipal


    Did you know that the Taj Mahal is originally a Hindu palace owned
    by the Jaipur Maharajas from whom it was appropriated by the Mughal
    Shah Jahan? Shah Jahan did not build the Taj.

    There is evidence in the Mughal records showing that Taj Mahal
    was a Hindu King’s palace. It was known to the Mughals as
    Manzil-e-Raja Man Singh (ie. Palace of Raja Mansingh).

    This is a very good example of how Indian history has been utterly
    distorted and falsified by the British colonialists.

    What we have been told of the Taj’s history in standard history books
    is so wrong.

    • Why don’t you write your own history book. Let’s see how many copies you sell? This malarkey about Taj Mahal reminds me of the propaganda that is sold as history in Pakistani text-books.

      • Jaipal


        Are you a Bengali communist by any chance?
        About Taj Mahal, there is irrefutable proof that it was a Hindu King’s
        palace which Shah Jahan appropriated to bury his wife Mumtaz in.

        Look up Badshah Nama written by Abdul Hamid Lahori.
        He was a personal court chronicler of Shah Jahan. He mentions
        Taj Mahal as being a Hindu palace owned by the Jaipur Maharajas.

        On top of the Taj, there is a pinnacle pointing upward.
        That pinnacle is in the shape of a “Kalash”, which is a Hindu
        religious symbol.

        Your problem is that you have internalized a false notion of Taj
        being Mughal, which you are unable to shake off.
        But evidence proves otherwise. It is actually Hindu, not Muslim.

    • karan

      You are right.
      Ref:Krishna Key by Aswin Sanghi
      Taj Mahal _The true history by P.N.Oke

    • karan

      You are right.
      Ref:The Krishna Key by Ashwin Sanghi
      Taj Mahal -The true history by P.N.Oke

      • Jaipal


        I am guessing that you are a Bengali Communist or an Indian Muslim.
        Because, the way you think and talk, you sound like one of them.
        A very confused person.

        If you are a Muslim, you have nothing to really be proud about.
        Being Muslim is a mark of slavery on your forehead.

      • Jaipal


        If you happen to be an Indian or Pakistani Muslim, you really have
        nothing to be proud about. You guys are just converted Muslims,
        fit for nothing except for being cannon fodder for the Arab imperial
        movement known as Islam. Arab Muslims treat and view Indian/Paki
        Muslims as shit.

        I always laugh when I see India/Paki Muslims talk big. The real heroes
        in India are the Hindus cause the Hindus fought and won and
        maintained their civilizational identity, which is respectable.

        What do Indian/Paki Muslims have as their record??
        They are just slaves for a foreign cause (ie.Islamism) which
        which is nothing more than a movement seeking Arab supremacy.

  14. Jaipal

    @Indian Realist,

    Are you aware of the true history and origins of the Taj Mahal?
    Its actual history is that of a Hindu kings’ palace.

    What do you think?

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