Narendra Modi faces assassination threat, tweets Madhu Kishwar

Narendra Modi faces assassination threat, tweets Madhu Kishwar

Well-known journalist Madhu Kishwar has also tweeted that Congress and its NGO pals are instigating Jihadis against Modi. This behaviour of Congress charlatans is nothing new — it has been a rabid enemy of all Indian nationalists and patriots, from Savarkar and Subhash Bose to Shyama Prasad Mukherjee and now Modi. Congress represents monotheistic interests and remains hostile to Hindus. So why do many Hindus vote for it? Are they blind or simply idiots?

Madhu Kishwar’s brilliant expose of anti-Modi forces after her investigations:

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  1. Yes, it’s unsettling and I hope not true. But then…

    • Noor will say that some Hindu (brahmin) will kill Modi as a part of a larger conspiracy like the one in Godhra where Muslims claim that Hindus burnt down the train carrying old Hindu sadhus after locking the doors and dousing it with loads of kerosene to achieve something that only Muslims understand!

  2. som

    Bardhaman Hindus harassed at Gajon
    The condition of Hindus in West Bengal is no better than hell. Under active/passive indulgence of administration, Muslims are torturing them. There is no organization but Hindu Samhati under leadership of Shri Tapan Ghosh who is concerned and fighting for Hindus.

    As if the violence at Nadia and North and South 24 Parganas were not enough, the start of the holy Navratras saw Hindus of Bardhaman district being harassed during the sacred Gajon festival in honour of Shiva Mahadeo.
    The small village of Ketugram in Katwa Sub-division, where Hindus comprise a majority of 80 per cent and Muslims 20 per cent, has a centuries-old tradition of celebrating the last few days of the Bengali calendar year in the worship of the supreme deity Shiva. This overlaps with the auspicious Navratras, the festival of Devi.
    A highlight of the celebrations involves the ritual bath (snan) of five Utsav murtis of Shiva in the Ganga at Uddharanpur, 10 km from Ketugram. The murtis are accompanied by the entire village in a joyous procession, to the beating of traditional drums. At the river, devotees bathe the murtis and immerse themselves in the river, before returning to the village.
    At some stage, a mosque came up en route the traditional route of the procession, and began to pose problems in recent years on account of growing fundamentalism in the region. Last year, the festival was disturbed by some hooligans, and so the administration called a peace meeting between the groups before this years’ ceremony.
    On April 11, the additional district magistrate chaired a meeting between leaders of the two communities, and along with other senior officials and police officers finalized the route of the procession. To accommodate the afternoon namaz, the procession was permitted to begin only after 1.05 pm after namaz concluded.
    The next day, April 12, the procession started after 1.05 pm. But as it passed by the mosque, which is a stone’s throw away from the local police station, brickbats were hurled upon the devotees, without any provocation. As the panicked villagers began to run helter-skelter for safety, they found to their utter chagrin that the police led by senior officials began to rain tear gas shells upon them. This was followed by a lathi-charge. The real culprits who attacked the innocent devotees on the way to the Ganga were not touched.
    The procession thus came under attack from two sides. The people scattered in disarray, and the five murtis of Mahadeo were lost. Soon some miscreants began to loot and ransack nearby Hindus shops, while the police remained silent spectators. One shopkeeper, Madhu Majee, went to the police station to protest, and was brutally attacked by the anti-social elements. Again, the police looked on passively.
    It was only when the looting ended that the police finally imposed Section 144 in the area. The Rapid Action Force was quickly deployed to avert a possible Hindu backlash, though no move was made to protect the Hindu community when it was under attack!
    To add insult to injury, the administration barricaded the village to prevent news of the atrocity from leaking out. Nobody from outside is allowed to enter the village, and nobody inside the village is allowed to leave.
    For the first time in memory, the Hindus could not complete their annual religious ritual.
    Hindu Samhati leaders say that some local policemen and panchayat leaders played a very unhealthy role in the incident. Four Hindus were arrested (Tapan Sengupta, Mithu Dasgupta, Nadu Hajra, Mithun Dey) though the Hindu community was subjected to unprovoked assault. Four Hindus were injured in the incident (Arun Hajra, Kheru Hajra, Madhu and the 65-year-old mother of Naru Modak). Not a single person has been arrested for attacking the procession, till date.
    The stalemate was partially broken by a few families of Ketugram village that had computers and internet connections; they managed to convey the story of their persecution to the Hindu Samhati. Once they got through to Samhati leaders, they went and informed the police that they planned to invite president Tapan Ghosh to the village.
    This prompted the administration and police to try to restore some semblance of normalcy. Accordingly, on April 14, the local MLA from the Trinamool Congress, Sheikh Shahnawaz, district magistrate Omkar Singh Meena, and the addl. SP descended on the village and called the Hindu and Muslim villagers for a meeting at Aikyatan Lodge to seek an amicable solution to the impasse.
    The Hindus demanded suspension of the mischief-making police officer; immediate and unconditional release of all Hindus arrested; permission to complete the interrupted ritual bathing; resumption of the procession to the Ganga along the traditional route with the accompaniment of 100 dhak (drums) including in front of the mosque; and a guarantee that henceforth the procession would continue to use the traditional route every year as well.
    This positive assertion by the Hindu community for its legitimate demands resulted in promises of peace and amity from the other group. To diffuse tensions, the administration agreed to all demands and asked the villagers to fix a date for completion of the snan.
    But once passions cooled, the administration back-pedalled on the early release of the arrested Hindus. It remains to be seen if the procession will be allowed to be completed in its original glory.
    What is the Bloody Jokers Party (BJP) doing? Why no words of protest from them? and why is that NOT mentioned in this article?

    Btw, the hindus should have made another demand.. the removal of mosque along the route..

    • Indian Realist

      “What is the Bloody Jokers Party (BJP) doing? Why no words of protest from them?”

      Dude, Bengalis never vote for the Bloody Jokers Party but make it responsible for their protection when their chestnuts are in fire. I would say it is unfair. Let the Bong Hindus keep voting Muslim-loving Congress and commie charlatans and stew in their own juice. If they want protection, maybe it is a good idea to stop voting Hindu-haters to power. Or are the HIndu Bongs too thick to understand this?

    • som

      Ban Mamata Banerjee’s Programme outside West Bengal.
      An appeal to all Chiefs and Deputies where BJP run Govts exist or where they are in coalition and Crores of BJP supporters in Bharat (India).:
      Upananda Brahmachari.

      Editor, Hindu Existence.
      http://hinduexistence.org/category/congress-against-sikh-siyasat/

  3. raj

    @som
    The “secularists” in the establishment, media, political parties, educational institutions like Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi University, Jamia Millia Islamia, Aligarh Muslim University, Calcutta University, to mention only a few, Christian missionaries and the Muslim priestly class have created a situation where it has become very difficult for the majority Hindus to live and work as respectable citizens. The moment you say that you are a proud Hindu, you would be dismissed as a “rank communalist” by the “secularists”. The fact of the matter is that many disgusted Hindus have started saying that “it is a crime to be an Indian”.

    • @raj, you have painted a correct picture wherein by merely priding oneself to be a Hindu one is branded a “rank communalist” by the “secularists.” This situation should change. In order that to happen, a broad awareness should be generated among the Hindu community by the emphasizing the glorious aspects of Sanatana Dharma. At every possible opportunity the lies and half-truths being spread by the “pseudo-secularists” should be nailed forcefully and effectively.

  4. raj

    BTW where are Sonia G and her little boy Rahul after the Bangalore blast? Hiding under the bed? They were not so quiet when Sonia G had the ban on SIMI lifted (to be reimposed by the Supreme Court) and Rahul told the U.S. Ambassador (in private) that Hindus were a greater threat to security than Lashkar E Taiba or the Indian Mujahiddeen (a story faithfully repeated by his camp followers).

    This whows where their hearts lie– India or its enemies.

  5. niraj

    After all, Modi was not responsible for the riots though he had to deal with the consequences. Would Rahul Gandhi have done better in his place?
    Let alone Rahul, what did Mahatma Gandhi do when his own Khilafat backfired and resulted in the Moplah Mutiny? He fled from the scene and let the British handle the mess he had created.

    Unlike the Mahatma whose Khilafat Non-Cooperation Movement was the direct cause of the Moplah Rebellion, Modi had nothing to do with the train burning that led to the Gujarat riots, which just landed in his lap.
    Unlike Gandhi who fled from the scene, Modi stood firm and tried to bring things under control.
    (For a balanced account based on facts please visit http://folks.co.in/blog/2012/08/17/modi-and-the-mahatma-who-was-more-guilty/)

    • ravi

      @Niraj,

      I don’t understand this “Modi is better than Mahatma” claim. One can’t be more frivolous. Was Gandhi the CM/PM/Viceroy then?

      Statements and comparisons like this between different leaders (spiritual/political) of different eras at different times won’t do any justice to any point one tries to make.

      This is too silly a line some (not all, though) Modi fans take up. I am afraid it doesn’t add value to Modi.

      Having followed most debates about Modi, I see silly criticisms and frivolous comparisons. It’s also bad taste.

      Modi will continue to be demonized in some circles and praised to heaves in others. People like me wait and watch and pray God for a better India under an administration that delivers without collusive or retail corruption. I admit I follow Madhu Kishwar, a brave fighter,

      • S

        @Ravi – The “Mahatma” ran away from the situation that he created. Narendra Modi did not create any such situation.

  6. nikhil

    Nitish Kumar forgot his secularism when the Godhra incident and subsequent riots took place. He did not even make a pretense of resigning. Now that he wants to impress Muslim voters in Bihar, he suddenly remembers the sordid episode. His stand that Narendra Modi is communal but BJP is okay so long as it does not make him its leader is laughable. The game is so transparent that everyone, Muslims first of all, can see through it.

    • karan

      @nikhil,very well said,thanks.
      By defining his idea of secularism simply as ‘India First’, Narendra Modi has hit the leftist-liberal combine where it hurts most. True to style, he has just bypassed the ideological debate saturated with its loaded jargon and banal inanities. He has focused on the operative significance of secularism in practice and boldly contrasted it with National Interest. With a single stroke, Modi has brought out the anti-Indian, anti-national character of what passes for secularism in this country.
      This has naturally riled the high priests of the official religion of the Government of India.

      • raj

        By defining his idea of secularism simply as ‘India First’
        BUT IN REALITY:
        Assault on Indian democracy and the unity of India:
        In Odisha:
        In February 2012, the Maoist leader Sabyasachi Panda confessed that it was the Maoists(Evngelaicalist Christians )who indeed killed Odisha MLA Jagbandhu Majhi in September 2011 and Swami Laxmananda Saraswati in 2007. The killing of the latter was motivated by the religious discourse in Maoist terror that has pervaded Kandhamal district.
        As per a member of parliament of the Congress party from Odisha,India about 70 MLAs and 10 MPs are under constant Maoist threats. This constitutes half the elected members from the state, the total number of MPs being 21 and MLAs 149.
        In Chhattisgarh:
        Maoist rebels extort up to Rs 300 crore every year in Chhattisgarh from traders of forest products, transporters and iron ore mining firms, Maoists extort at least Rs.250-300 crore annually and their extortion business runs from the state’s southern tip of Bastar to the northern Surguja district.They mainly extort money from traders of ‘tendu’ leaves, iron ore mining firms, small and big contractors and transporters,
        Tendu leaves, which are used to make bidis (leaf-rolled cigarettes), are one of the most important forest products of the Bastar region that has been considered the centre of Maoist terrorism in India since the late 1980s.
        The restive region spread across 40,000 sq km has deposits of about 20 percent of the country’s total iron ore stocks and owners of the mines regularly face extortion demands from Maoists. The traders, businessmen, contractors and others who pay extortion money hardly have the courage to report it to the police because of the fear of Maoists and their own business interests in the region..
        Of the 1,500 casualties in Maoist violence since the state came into existence in November 2000 after splitting from Madhya Pradesh, 90 percent have been from Bastar.
        In Tripura:
        For decades Tripuras indigenous tribal population has been dragged out of their homes and forced to convert to Christianity under threat of violence. Whenever any of the tribals organize Hindu festivals or rituals, the terrorist groups attack to desecrate and kill the participants. There have been incidents of issuing a ban on the Hindu festivals of Durga Pooja and Saraswati Pooja. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura. The hill tribe Jamatiya worship in the month of March their traditional god Gadiya, who is supposed to be an incarnation of Lord Shiva. The terrorists have issued an order that the Gadiya be prayed on the Christmas day instead.
        Another church official, Jatna Koloi, who was also arrested, admitted that he received training in guerrilla warfare at an NLFT base . It is now apparent that the pattern of forced conversions at gunpoint are irrefutably linked to the Baptist Church in Tripura. The NLFT is accused of forcing Tripura?s indigenous tribes to become Christians and give up Hindu forms of worship in areas under their control.
        In Tripura, there were no Christians at independence; there are 120.000 today, a 90% increase since 1991.
        In Arunachal Pradesh:
        The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but 1,2 million today, as well as 780 churches!
        In Nagaland:
        Christian Naga terrorists have been killing non-Christians for decades on end, and this has never been an issue with the world media,
        In Andhra Pradesh :
        In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung villages and there was even an attempt to set-up one near Tirupati.
        In Maharashtra:
        Many Christian action group cadres have also been inducted into prominent naxalite groups under the garb of liberation theology activists. For instance Vernon Gonsalves @ Vikram, a state committee member of Maharashtra unit of CPI (Maoist) who was arrested by the ATS, Maharashtra, in August,2007 and another top Maoist leader Arun Ferreira, r/o Bandra, who was arrested by Nagpur police have both confessed to the police that they are activists of liberation theology movement. A number of human rights activists including Dr.Binayak Sen,Vice President of PUCL, have also been arrested in the recent past for their close links with the Maoist movement in the country confirming the close links between the Maoist movement and NGO and human rights net-work. Since the Christian action groups in the country are all controlled by various church agencies, many church leaders in India are also now directly linked with the naxalite movement.

        Today, with the full support and all possible assistance from the networking NGOs and also with the systematic induction of a large number of NGO activists into major naxalite groups, the naxal movement in the country has now become very powerful and it continues to make inroads into more and more new areas, especially in the remote and tribal regions.

        About 170 districts in 15 states in the country are now reportedly considered as naxal-infested. This unprecedented growth of naxalite movement in the country can be attributed to the support and encouragement it receives from the action group movement of networking NGOs which has got a strong and wide network all over the country.

        The irony of the situation is that the naxalite movement which proclaims to be the greatest crusader against the imperialist lobby is presently controlled by the action group movement which in turn is promoted, financed and controlled by the same imperialist lobby.
        NATO,CIA and Evngelaicalist Christians (Maoist) are same.
        They are doing everythings against democracy and human liberty.
        To control over the resources by destabilize the region is their geopolitical goal.
        For them Jesus is nothing but an ‘artifice of aggression’.
        Villages are being terrorised to ‘donate’ at least one child from each family to the cause of Maoist terror.
        One of the Italians, Paolo Bosusco, had visited the area several times before and enjoyed the hospitality of the Maoists. His being taken hostage was a staged drama to humble the Indian state. Paolo is a member of an Italy based Ultra-Leftist organisation, Party of Committees to Support Resistance for Communism (CARC). In December 2011, the Maoist Communist Party of Manipur in a press release had acknowledged its association and support of some foreign based ultra-leftist outfits. They are: Communist Party of Philippines, Association for Proletarian Solidarity, Italy (ASP), Maoist Communist Party of France, Revolutionary Communist Party Canada (PCR – RCP), and Party of the Committees to Support Resistance for Communism (CARC), Italy. Some of the western countries had played a very dubious role in fanning Left Wing Extremism (LWE) in Nepal to facilitate religious conversion. Kandhamal district of Odisha suffers from the same paradigm. Nepal’s example should not be lost out on India.
        As far as military prowess of the Maoists goes, there is evidence of AK-47s being supplied by the United Wa Army in Myanmar. The AK-47 manufacturing facility has been provided by China to the said insurgent outfit. The Maoist-ISI-LeT-militant groups nexus in Kashmir and the North-East is fairly well established. The Chinese, according to a national television channel, have also begun to supply sophisticated signal equipment with encryption capabilities to the Maoists.
        The top two non-governmental donors to India were U.S.-based missionary organizations, World Vision International at ~$155 million and Gospel for Asia ~$99.5 million — together that’s $255 million into India in just one year. Overall, an astonishing 18,996 organizations in India, a disproportionate number linked to Christian missionaries, received donations totaling $2.4 billion in 2007 alone. And the inflow has been growing rapidly. 2007 showed contributions more than double of 2002. With these numbers, how can we say the concerns are unfounded?
        The war is on. In this war the adversary has a deadly cocktail of ideology, foreign support, religious agenda, armed cadres, criminal financing and terror. It would be anti-national to treat it as a law and order problem. The assault is now on Indian democracy and the unity of India. Let us unite and fight because now in question is the very air-of-freedom that we are breathing

  7. niraj

    India is losing Manipur due to Christian terrorism
    A couple of years ago, media was shouting about ‘Hindu Terror’. Somehow, they do not speak about ‘Christian terror’ which has been present in India’s North-eastern states for a long period. Tribals who converted to Christianity are equipped with weapons and made to fight a ‘war of independence’ against India. Manipur is a unique state where about 60% of the people (mostly in Inner Manipur district – around Imphal) are ethnic Manipuris who are Meitei Vaishnavas. The Nagas (who form the rest of the population) live in Outer Manipur district and they have been converted to Christianity en-masse. Meitei Vaishnavas are proving to be a tough nut to crack for the Christian missionaries and have been targeted by Christian terrorists through the decades.
    http://creative.sulekha.com/india-is-losing-manipur-due-to-christian-terrorism_472645_blog

    • ravi

      @niraj
      We are doomed and we all can see it. However, nobody will do anything towards it. North east is gone. We claim to be a strong nation etc, but, we can’t even defend our nation from a handful of armed militants. Make no mistake, we are the weakest nation in the world.

  8. nitha

    “NAGALAND FOR CHRIST”
    The Nagaland Rebels is a coalition of rebel groups operating in
    Nagaland, northeastern India. The largest of these is the National
    Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM), which is fighting
    for the establishment of a “Nagaland for Christ”. The NSCN-IM
    have carried out numerous acts of terrorism against the Indian Army,
    other ethnic groups, and opponents within their own ethnic group.
    The insurgency has been waged since the 1947 Indian declaration of
    independence, and has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths.

    Baruah writes that “Christianity is an essential part of Naga
    identity”; the NSCN-IM estimate that 95% of Nagas are Christian.

  9. ravi

    Hindu Genocide in Tripura
    Thirteen Years of Killings in Tripura by the NLFT

    (The National Liberation Front of Tripura)
    By S. Aravindan Neelakandan
    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/thirteen_years_of_killings_in_tripura.htm

  10. som

    Since 1989 a Christian Terrorist Group (National Liberation Front of Tripura) has been operating in the state, with an express aim of creating an independent Christian state. The NLFT’s objectives are set-out in their manifesto: ‘To expand The Kingdom of God & Christ in Tripura’ – using force.
    NLFT have undertaken bombings, shootings, kidnappings & rapes to bring about their goal for a separate Christian state. NLFT (and their sister terror group ‘Christian All Tripura Tiger Force’) regularly employ a policy of ‘convert or die’ in their attempts to subjugate the local population.
    http://canterburyatheists.blogspot.in/2008/11/christian-terrorism-cultural-genocide.html

  11. som

    @raj

    Re: assasination threats to Modi. Are Hindus blind or simply idiots?

    I think the problem started with the hijacking of the freedom struggle by the anti Hindu elements, notably Nehru et al. Then, there was also the siren call of Communism.

    For example in Kerala the Hindu vote is fractured between those who vote for Congress and those who vote for the Communists !
    Whereas, the Christians vote only for Congress and the Muslims vote only for the Muslim League.

    Once the nehruvian/ sentimental stranglehold and the Communist stranglehold are broken the Hindus will awaken . Alas, that may still take some time, although I am encouraged by the sterling work being done by the Sangh organisations to bring the converts to Christianity back to the fold.

    Everyday one reads of such events. Very inspiring to know that our Vedic ancestors’ vision of the cosmos still draws people to its fold, despite the barbarian invasions and the long night of the two Occupations (Islamic and Colonial).

    Today the news is about the complete bandh (peaceful) organised by Hindu Munnani in TN in Coimbatore, Nilgiris and one other place against the Muslim violence and encroachments there.

    • THE VEDAS AND THE ORIGINATORS OF QUANTUM PHYSICS

      The famous Danish physicist and Nobel Prize Laureate Niels Bohr (1885-1962) was a follower of the Vedas. He said “I go into the Upanishads to ask questions.” Both Bohr and Schrödinger, the founders of quantum physics, were avid readers of the Vedic texts and observed that their experiments in quantum physics were consistent with what they had read in the Vedas.

      Bohr, Heisenberg and Schrödinger regularly read Vedic texts. Heisenberg stated: “Quantum theory will not look ridiculous to people who have read Vedanta.” Vedanta is the conclusion of Vedic thought.

      Schrodinger:
      “This life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance. This, as we know, is what the Brahmins [wise men or priests in the Vedic tradition] express in that sacred, mystic formula which is yet really so simple and so clear; tat tvam asi, this is you. Or, again, in such words as “I am in the east and the west, I am above and below, I am this entire world.”


      ब्रह्मैवेदममृतं पुरस्तात् ब्रह्म पश्चात् ब्रह्म उत्तरतो दक्षिणतश्चोत्तरेण ।
अधश्चोर्ध्वं च प्रसृतं ब्रह्मैवेदं विश्वमिदं वरिष्ठम् ॥ 2.2.11


      This is a reference to the Mundaka Upanishad mantra (above) in which the Vedic understanding of the connectivity of living entities is put forward to help the Bhakta (practitioner of yoga) to understand the difference between the body and the living entity. How the real nature of the living entity is realized only in union with the source, the supreme being (Brahman/Krishna) through a platform of transcendental divine loving service.

      Schrödinger, in speaking of a universe in which particles are represented by wave functions, said: “The unity and continuity of Vedanta are reflected in the unity and continuity of wave mechanics.  This is entirely consistent with the Vedanta concept of All in One.”

  12. ravi

    The Recent Plights of Hindu Minorities in Bangladesh

  13. ravi

    World Hindu youth leaders gather in Bali

    World Hindu girl leaders accumulate in Bali
    Hundreds of Hindu girl leaders from 13 countries collected on a primarily Hindu island of Bali for a two-day discussion to plead issues associated to a destiny of a ancient religion.
    http://bali2.info/world-hindu-youth-leaders-gather-in-bali

  14. som

    After being denied permission by the West Bengal government to hold rallies to mark the commencement of ‘Ganga Samagra Yatra’ at Gangasagar area in the South 24 Parganas district, senior BJP leader Uma Bharati on Wednesday challenged the state government to stop her from holding a rally.
    Bharati stated that the ‘Ganga Samagra Yatra’ is an awareness campaign – which will start from Gangasagar and will end at Gangotri – to keep the river Ganga clean and pollution free.

    “If the government wants to put me in jail, then they can do it. Nobody can stop me from holding the ‘Ganga Samagra Yatra’ on Friday,” Bharati told reporters here.
    http://www.sify.com/news/uma-bharati-issues-challenge-to-bengal-government-news-national-mjtskdbebaa.html

  15. nitha

    Atrocities On Hindus of Meghalaya(North-East India)
    More than 25 thousand Hindu(belonging to Rabha tribe) has been forced to leave their villages and took shelter in Assam

    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/social-political-issues/3537-atrocities-hindus-meghalaya-north-east-india.html#ixzz2RBii0F00

  16. ravi

    Shocking Stories from Assam – Gun Point Conversions by Christian Terrorists by Manmasi National Christian Army
    This group of miscreants, dressed in black with a red cross on their back, along with arms, enter from Tipaimukh through Barak river by boat and mount Bhuvan Pahar. They threatened and asked the Hindu people of Tezpur village, including the priest of this famous Hindu temple, to convert into Christianity.
    http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=8848

  17. Peacelover

    Evangelical Christians are extremists.

    No one is challenging Christian beliefs, specifically. They challenge Christians’ attempts to pass subjective laws, that have their only proof and relevancy within Christianity and cannot be proven scientifically, within our national laws that, constitutionally speaking, are supposed to provide freedom for every religion, without favoritism towards Christianity or any one religion, but protection for all, equally.

    When Christians invoke the Bible, which is completely subjective, as a reason to deny gays equal rights or people to use Cannabis for medication, or censorship, they are violating the constitution and the ideals of Liberty and justice this country was founded on. That makes them extremists.

    To believe in Christ is fine and perfectly legal, constitutionally, but to try and force non-Christians to live by Christian laws, via the power and force of the federal govt is EXTREMELY unconstitutional…

  18. Peacelover

    INSIDE STORY ON MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)
    WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM THEM???
    Boston Bombing Diverts Attention from Bush-Obama War Crimes: Alex Jones
    In the background of this a bomb went off in Boston United States at the Boston marathon killing three and injured more than 170 others. Two suspects caught media attention. One was killed by police in a shootout. The second suspect escaped and was hunted down and now lies in critical condition in hospital unable to speak. The parents of one of the Boston bombing suspects in an interview have denied their son’s role in the blast and the mother says her sons were set up by US secret service.

  19. Peacelover

    All 27 BJP Muslim candidates elected to the Salaya corporation (Jamnagar) in February 2013. Salaya has a 90 per cent Muslim majority, and this is the first time that BJP has won the corporation there. The results are thus unambiguous – Muslims do not fear the bogey of the Hindu wolf; hence the tremors across the secular spectrum.

  20. som

    Maulana Ghulam Ahmed Vastanvi was the first to break ranks with the rigid stereotyping of non-Congress political leaders in independent India. After a surprising election as Vice Chancellor of the Deoband Darul Uloom in 2011, the first-ever for someone outside Uttar Pradesh, he mildly appreciated Gujarat’s progress under Narendra Modi and its positive impact on Muslims. This offended those still wrapped in the secular straitjacket, and Vastanvi soon stepped down.

    He resurfaced in March 2013, stating that Muslims have no reason to object to the nation electing Modi as Prime Minister. Choosing his words carefully, he said Gujarat has had a BJP government for the past 10 years; if it worked for Muslims they would support it and if it did not they would move away.

    The phenomenon of Vastanvi and Muslims who vote for the BJP in increasing numbers in Gujarat hints at a tentative quest among the community to come to terms with the Hindu identity of the majority community, which is what joining the national mainstream truly means. Muslims can transcend their self-imposed ghettos only when they find the self-confidence to maintain their religio-cultural identity among observant Hindus, and shun the Nehruvian canard that only the banishment of the nation’s foundational ethos from the public arena can safeguard their identity. This has passed for secularism in independent India to the chagrin of Hindus; Muslims have a special responsibility to demolish walls that perpetuate fear and prejudice.

    Maulana Mahmood Madni, general secretary of the Jamiat Ulema-Hind, who played a leading role in ousting Maulana Vastanvi from the Deoband seminary for praising Modi, was the next to break ranks with secular orthodoxy. In an interview to a private television channel in February, he said, “There is a change in the Muslim psyche towards Modi, and a section of Muslims voted for him in the recent assembly elections”. Claiming that circumstances have changed, he said, “Muslims in Gujarat are economically better off than in other states which have so-called secular governments”.

    • Pradeep

      Whatever the merits of Narendra Modi’s development model, one thing is clear and that is that Gujarat Muslims are responding to Modi because he is giving them what they are entitled to by law. That’s all very well, but will this work with, say, Hyderabadi / Kashmiri / Uttar Pradesh Muslims? The law gives Muslims (and Christians) much more than it gives to Hindus (Art 30 is just one example). And then, are Muslims prepared to give what the law expects from them as citizens (Art 44, as one example).

      • Hari

        @ Pradeep,well said.
        The Koranic injunctions against kaffirs are an undeniable fact of Koranic Islam – http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=55. It is all very well for Hindus to have a duty to protect Muslims in Hindustan – but what corresponding duty do Muslims have towards Hindus in Hindustan?

        Who can deny the darul harb > darul Islam obligation of every momin?

      • Gagan

        @som
        Nowhere, but nowhere, in the world where the abrahamisms have conquered have they allowed significant pagan populations to survive. Nowhere in the territories of these monotheisms is there a meaningful survival of any pre-monotheism, any paganism. There is not one significant exception to this worldwide historical fact.

        • Gagan

          For the time being Muslims in India may stay content with Modi but the larger goal of the caliphate is always a looming possibility.

          • ramesh

            @Gagan
            Hindu (read BJP) also have their geoplitical goal (read fantacies).
            For the moment BJP can let Modi continue on his own momentum but sooner or later will have to bring up the issue of Uniform Civil Code and Article 370. Re: Ram Janma Bhoomi it is Uma Bharati who spelled it out. It has nothing to do with politics.

  21. raj

    “This evolving paradigm – that Muslims do not need the eclipse of the nation’s civilisational ethos to feel secure – has come as a rude shock to the Congress and the Left parties which zealously upheld the Nehruvian falsehood of “majority communalism” in the aftermath of Partition. Modern Indian secularism is anti-Hindu precisely because it is the flip side of the two-nation theory which led to partition. It perpetuates the communal divide by upholding Muslim identity as legitimate and demonizing Hindu identity as illegitimate; hence the absurdity of constitutionally enshrining minority rights against an undefined, unnamed, majority community.”

    This explains as to why even after the partition of India that the Muslim communal ism has not died its natural death.On the other hand the partition of India into theocratic and so called secular India emboldened the Muslim communalists that further partitions can be engineered by being within the secular India.

    The best example is the kashmiri Muslim separatism which has been guided by the firm belief that Jammu and Kashmir can be a Muslim republic within India and its theocratic and fascist Muslim character can be best maintained with the Article 370 and gradually it will provide space for the separation of the state from India with the due passage of time as the article will help to broaden the separatist constituency under the garb of the constitutional rights .In a way acting as a tool to wreck the sovereignty of India from within by using the same sovereignty.

    This example of subversion by terming the Muslim communal ism as secularism is the bane of Nehruvian politics meant to alter the civilisational continuity of the Indian nation.It is in fact the recipe for the second partition of the Indian nation.

  22. When I saw the movie ‘Gandhi’ some years ago, like so many other ‘innocents’ I thought that Nehru was some kind of ‘hero’ for India. My vision on this has flipped 180 degrees since then. This man was a philanderer, a materialist and a would-be ‘englishman’ with a dark tan. He was bad news for India. Unfortunately, he lives on through his descendants and his thoroughly corrupt and morally bankrupt Congress Party.

    • raj

      @duartmaclean
      Mahapapi(great sinner) not Mahatma(great soul) Gandhi, said “India is a nation of Beni Israelis, Parsis, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Muslims and Hindus”! Notice that the Mahapapi placed Hindus last, almost as an afterthought. To this originial sinner, Hindus simply don’t count at all in their one and only homeland. And yet naive Hindus revere this great sinner as ‘father of the nation’! The revival of the Hindu civilization will begin only after Hindus hurl this Mahapapi into the stinking sewer of history where he rightly belongs.

      • @raj
        Gandhi was a Jain by birth and upbringing, not a Hindu. I am a Vedantin and a devotee of Sri Ramana Maharshi. It pains me to read of the attacks on Hinduism in the very Land of it’s Birth. Bharata arise!

  23. noor

    Gagan (and few more here) are scared stupid by the “Abrahamics” ,he has totally forgotten (selective amnesia i guess) about the historical fact what Brahmanism did to Buddhist and Jainism in India.One should ask this question to them,”Why did Buddhism disappear from South Asia?”
    Many wonder why Buddhism disappeared from the Subcontinent but thrives in China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and in Sri Lanka. Many Hindus claim that Buddha was a Hindu God. Of course Buddhists in China, Thailand and other countries and in India do not accept that doctrine. In fact Buddhism was hounded out of its birthplace.In places such as Bengal and Sind, which were ruled by Brahminical dynasties but had Buddhist majorities, Buddhists are said to have welcomed the Muslims as saviours who had freed them from the tyranny of ‘upper’ caste rule. This explains why most of the ‘lower-caste’ people in Eastern Bengal and Sind embraced Islam. Few, if any, among the ‘upper’ castes of these regions did the same.

    • Indian Realist

      Please stop parroting propaganda of communist historians here. Buddhism was wiped out by Muslims in India. Example: Burning of Nalanda university and killing of all Buddhist monks by Bakhtiyar Khilji.

    • @ noor, stop this malorkey. Little or half knowledge is always dangerous. Brush up your knowledge of history before making half-baked comments. There are myriad reasons for the so-called disappearance of Buddhism from India.

      • N.V. Sudhakar is right on the nose. The great Sage, Adi Sankaracharya almost single-handedly removed Buddhism from India, not with violence but with His genius and His Knowledge. Every devotee of the Sanatana Dharma should study Sankaracharya’s ‘Viveka Chudamani’. In fact, the followers of all religions would benefit enormously from an open-minded study of this small but powerful text.

    • Buddhism was forced on Hindus by later kings and most importantly Ashok. It had to shrink in a free thinking country like India where nothing can be forced on people. Indians may sway for sometime, maybe centuries, but throw what is forced on them.

  24. Anonymous

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article1063459.ece?homepage=true
    This is an article by Amartya Sen

    “Nalanda was violently destroyed in an Afghan attack, led by the ruthless conqueror, Bakhtiyar Khilji,” writes A Sen

  25. noor

    For the information of “Indian Realist” and many more here that Buddhism was already under attack by the Brahmins before the arrival of Muslims,if you read the “real” history and not the (hi)STORY that is being shoved down the throats of Indians in the schools that Taxila (Buddhist sanctuary) was destroyed before the Islamic arrival in the South Asia,it was a center of Buddhist learning–NOT Hindu.
    The fact of the matter is that Brahmins are very good at spreading lies like they currently do against Christians and Muslims about the conversions. Anything or anybody who question their authority or priestly livelihood is maligned, demonized and destroyed. This is what happened to Buddhism. Violence has always been very integral to Brahminism which is basically a pagan racist ideology of hate, oppression and slavery. They still believe that Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are part of Brahminism when the fact is all three are antithetical to oppressive, anti-democratic Brahminism. Likewise they believe Dalits and Tribals are Hindus too even though they had their own religions and were/are never admitted into Brahminical temples. Brahminists resort to lies, false propaganda and violence when faced with facts. The dogma of karma has never allowed them to have a sense of shame and guilt – the oppressed must suffer because its their karma!

    • som

      @noor
      Taxila was taken from the Parthians by the Kushans under Kujula Kadphises. The great Kushan ruler Kanishka founded Sirsukh, the third city on the site. (The second, Sirkap, dates from the Indo-Greek period.) In the 4th century ce the Sāsānian king Shāpūr II (309–379) seems to have conquered Taxila, as evidenced by the numerous Sāsānian copper coins found there. There is little information about the Sāsānian occupation, but, when Faxian visited the city at about the beginning of the 5th century ce, he found it a flourishing centre of Buddhist sanctuaries and monasteries. Shortly thereafter it was sacked by the Huns; Taxila never recovered from this calamity. Xuanzang, visiting the site in the 7th century ce, found the city ruined and desolate, and subsequent records do not mention it. Excavations begun by Sir Alexander Cunningham, the father of Indian archaeology, in 1863–64 and 1872–73 identified the local site known as Saraikhala with ancient Taxila. This work was continued by Sir John Hubert Marshall, who over a 20-year period completely exposed the ancient site and its monuments.
      http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/584659/Taxila

      • Y

        @som,well said

        The Huns were a group of nomadic people who first appeared in Europe from east of the Volga River, region of the earlier Scythians, with a migration intertwined with the Alans. They were first mentioned as Hunnoi by Tacitus. Initially being near the Caspian Sea in 91 AD, the Huns migrated to the southeastern area of the Caucasus by about 150 ADand into Europe by 370 AD, where they established a vast Hunnic Empire. Since de Guignes linked them with the Xiongnu, who had been northern neighbours of China 300 years prior to the emergence of the Huns, considerable scholarly effort has been devoted to investigating such a connection. However, there is no scholarly consensus on a direct connection between the dominant element of the Xiongnu and that of the Huns. Priscus mentions that the Huns had a language of their own; little of it has survived and its relationships have been the subject of debate for centuries. Numerous other languages were spoken within the Hun pax including Gothic (East Germanic), which was widely used as a lingua franca in the Hunnic territories. Their main military technique was mounted archery.

        The Huns may have stimulated the Great Migration, a contributing factor in the collapse of the western Roman Empire. They formed a unified empire under Attila the Hun, who died in 453; their empire broke up the next year. Their descendants, or successors with similar names, are recorded by neighbouring populations to the south, east, and west as having occupied parts of Eastern Europe and Central Asia approximately from the 4th century to the 6th century. Variants of the Hun name are recorded in the Caucasus until the early 8th century.
        There was a famous centre of education at Nalanda where Huen Shang the Chinese pilgrim who had come to India in 627 A.D. and stayed for two years for intensive studies of the Buddhist philosophy was destroyed by the Muslim invaders during Khilji’s attack in the 12th century.

        The Taxila University was the oldest institute of its kind where scholars from Greece, Egypt, Anatolia, Persia, Turkey used to come from 4th century B.C. till 6th centuryA.D., but it was first destroyed by the Huns who had invaded India from North of present Russia in the 3rd Century A.D. But later what was left and grew during the intermitant period, the Muslim invaders destroyed in the !2th century A.D.
        http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060818182656AA8Dn5t

  26. JGN

    @ Noor, those who subscribe to the ideology of “Dar-ul-Harb” and “Dar-ul-Islam” shedding crocodile tears for the Buddhists, Jains, Dalits, etc is laughable.

    What is the condition of a few thousand Coptic Christians still left in your Islamic Utopias like Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc?

    What happened to the native Heathens/Pagans/Kafirs of the Arabian peninsula? Did they all vanish into thin air?

  27. NOOR

    …….still to further my point,recent study of the Bengal Puranas proved that the Buddhists were mocked and projected as mischievous and malicious in Brahminical narratives as well as subjected to immense rhetorical violence. This rhetorical violence should be interpreted as both physical and mental violence perpetrated upon the Buddhists. The extermination of Buddhism in India was hastened by the large-scale destruction of Buddhist shrines by the Brahmins. The Maha Bodhi Vihara at Bodh Gaya was forcibly converted into a Shaivite temple.
    Like they say what goes around comes around!

    • Y

      The Mauryas and the Guptas helped build and refurbish the temple at Bodh Gaya. The Guptas, while sponsors of the Hindu high tradition, protected Buddhism in the spirit of Hindu tolerance. The Delhi Sultanate sacked Bodh Gaya in the 13th century which was then abandoned and neglected for three hundred years until Ghamandi Giri, a Saivite Hindu Mahant moved into the premises in 1590 thereby preserving the structure. Had he not moved in, the temple would have collapsed due to neglect.

      The Hindu Mahants had maintained the temple for 300 years. Hinduism, after all, embraces all humanity and promotes religious pluralism.
      http://hindusamhati.blogspot.in/2012/10/bodh-gaya-hindu-response.html
      All Buddhist temples in North India had been destroyed by the Delhi Sultanate and Moghul rulers with the exception of Bodh Gaya. The reason for the latter was the Shaivite Hindu Mahant who used his resources as a rich land owners to bribe Muslim generals in order to protect the temple. If not for Hindu intervention, Bodh Gaya too would have been destroyed, much as the famed Bamiyan statues had been destroyed by the Taliban in recent years.
      The Buddhists in Sri Lanka are very hardline. Latest reports suggest that they do not want a Rajagopuram built for the ancient Siva Temple in Munneswaram north of Colombo and want a Ganesha side shrine removed in order to build a Buddhist vihara in the very precincts of the Hindu temple!
      India should not allow such radicals to have sway in Bodh Gaya.

  28. JGN

    @ N.V. Sudhakar, do we really have to waste our time and energy to explain such things to “noor” when they do not tolerate even the rival sects of their own Religion (forget Pagan/Heathens/Kafirs).

    Mohajir identity http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft/article.php?issue=20111111&page=9

  29. India has always been the land of the Veda, the oldest spiritual system in the world. India has been invaded by foreigners many times. It’s only natural that followers of the Sanatana Dharma would fight back and exert great effort to protect their religious, philosophical and cultural traditions.

    Following the logic of the Hindu-haters, the Native peoples of North America wrongly behaved violently towards the European colonists (English, French & Spanish). They had no right to do so, if we follow the line of thinking of Noor and others on this blog. Europeans were the ‘good guys’, bringing the Holy Bible to these ‘heathens’ while simultaneously exterminating them. Clearly the Europeans were a superior race to the Natives, because they had two things that those heathens lacked: Christianity and Guns. Those damned Natives….they deserved what they got, right? Same with the Brahmins and Hindus of India, right?

    What is amazing about Hinduism is that it has survived wave after wave of repressive invasions. Hinduism still comes out strong. As I write, I note that more than 20 million North Americans are now practising Yoga on a regular basis. Of course, this does not mean that they have become Hindus, but it does mean that many minds in the West are opening to the extraordinary spiritual and philosophical wealth still held by modern Hindus, even in the face of an ongoing conspiracy to replace Hinduism with… you name it….Communism, Maoism, Christianity, Islam, Atheism, Materialism, Technocracy, and the usual old, insipid, corrupt, Nehruism –i.e., the Catholic Italian-run Congress Party.

  30. noor

    Why did Buddhism disappear from South Asia? Brahmin atrocities that destroyed Buddhism in the Subcontinent the great Kashmiri historians, Kalhana and Ratnakar the Buddhist monks were tortured, and their temples converted into Hindu temples. The 2nd century historian Ashokavadana describes in detail the campaign of destruction Buddhist temples, and pillage carried on by King Pusyamitra. The Divyavadana ascribes to him the razing of stupas and viharas built by Ashoka, and describes him as one who wanted to undo the work of Ashoka. Brahmanism (a strict social organization on the basis of some religious ideas) tried to dilute Buddhism by presenting it as a kind of Hinduism. Thus, from the 7th century Buddha was included in the list of Avataras of Vishnu. Incorporating Buddha into Hinduism is rejected by pure Buddhists all over the world.
    Several Nepalese accounts state that the followers of Buddha were ruthlessly persecuted, slain, exiled and forcibly converted. Though many converted rather than face death, humiliation or exile. The attackers tested their faith by making them perform ‘Hinsa’, or the sacrifice of live animals, that was abhorrent to Buddhists and Jains. Many bhikshunis, or nuns, were forcibly married and the learned Grihasthas were forced to cut off the distinguishing knot of hair on top of their heads. 84,000 Buddhist works were searched for and destroyed.
    Today only 7 million Buddhists remain in India, the land of the Birth of Buddha. If India wants to show repentance towards Buddhists, Hinduism needs to acknowledge the independence of Buddhism as a religion, and rebuilding of Buddhists temples all over India which were destroyed and Hindu temples were built over.Just like the Hindu “claim” of Baburi Masjid being a Hindu temple before it was “converted” into a Masjid and was demolished with this pretext so should the illegal Mandirs be demolished and be turned back into Budhhist place of worship.

    • som

      @noor
      Naturally, for about a thousand years (from 3rd century BC to 6th century AD), Buddhism was the dominant religion of India, although it broke up into two—Mahayana and Hinayana. It had little opposition. When Fa Hien, the Chinese student, visited India in the 5th century AD, Buddhism was flourishing along with Hinduism. But by the 6th century AD, Buddhism had broken up into 18 sects. So, when Hieun Tsang, the Chinese pilgrim visited India in the 7th century AD, Buddhism was in decline. What is more, by distorting the Master’s message and reverting in some ways to Hindu beliefs and practices, Mahayana had lost its attraction. Buddha himself had anticipated the decline in one of his talks with Ananda, his chief disciple.

      The conquest of Central Asia and Afghanistan by the Muslims was a major blow to Buddhism. Historian, Pramanath Bose writes that “Buddhism…got so engulfed in the superstitions of Turanians that it transformed itself into some of the grossest forms of Scythian idolatry.” Buddhism as an ethical system had little impact on Central Asia, which explains how Islam was able to overwhelm this huge region in so short a time.

      • Y

        @som
        The following lists the twenty sects described as Hinayana, as the classification is understood in some Mahayana texts:

        Sthaviravada split into the 11 sects:
        Sarvastivadin
        Haimavata
        Vatsiputriya
        Dharmottara
        Bhadrayaniya
        Sammitiya
        Channagirika
        Mahisasaka
        Dharmaguptaka
        Kasyapiya
        Sautrantika
        Mahasa?ghika split into 9 sects:
        Ekavyaharika
        Lokottaravadin
        Kaukkutika
        Bahusrutiya
        Prajñaptivada
        Caitika
        Aparasaila
        Uttarasaila.

    • ravi

      @noor
      It was this decline of Buddhism which brought up the resurgence of Saivism and Vaishnavism. And Shankara, by incorporating many of the Buddhist doctrines into Hinduism, made Buddhism redundant. But the final blow to Buddhism came with the advent of Islam in India.

      Muslim invaders made it a point to extirpate Buddhism from India. They destroyed every vihara, where the monks lived and taught. Thus, the 500 viharas built by Ashoka in Kashmir and the 600 feet high stupa built by Kanishka were the first to be destroyed. Historian Vincent Smith says that the monks, who survived the holocaust, fled to south and to the Himalayas (Nepal, Tibet). In short, few dared to stay in India. The invaders also destroyed Taxila and Nalanda, the two great Buddhist universities. The cream of Buddhist scholarship lived here. Thus, every symbol of Buddhism was destroyed as part of a deliberate policy.

      It is not true that Brahmanism opposed Buddhism. The first disciples of the enlightened one were all Brahmins. For example, Maha Muggalanna, Sariputta, Maha Kashyapa, Asita, Kaundinya. Buddha rejected only the Brahminical rituals, the authority of the Vedas and the oppressive caste system.

      According to Smt Rhys Davids, among the 246 poet-authors mentioned in the Thera Gatha, 113 were Brahmins, 70 Kshatriyas. Thus, it is clear that Buddhism had no real opposition in India. In Fact, the kings gave equal protection to both Hinduism and Buddhism. For example, the Gupta empire, although Hindu, gave full protection to Buddhism. So did Harsha’s empire. Lalitaditya, the greatest king of Kashmir, although not a Buddhist, built the largest Vihara for the Buddhists.

      If Buddhism was brought down by anyone (which is not the case) it was done by the Buddhist monks. The hasya literature in Sanskrit is full of humour and satire against the Buddhist monks—of how they took to meat, drinks and women. Naturally, Buddhism lost the respect in which it was held earlier.

      • Karan

        @ravi,well said.
        With focus on nirvana, life itself came to be secondary, not to speak of defence and security matters. India was thus least prepared to meet the onslaught of the Muslims. In the event, the Hindus closed their ranks against the Muslims. And they were not prepared to be tolerant to any divisive criticism from the Buddhists and Jains. Which explains why Buddhism almost disappeared from India. But where did the Buddhists disappear? They went back to their ancient faith—Hinduism—to resist the Muslims.

        • jay

          Since the principles of buddhism failed to protect indians from foriegn attacks it had lost it’s popularity which is very practical thing.

    • som

      @noor
      “Hundreds of Muslims in Bangladesh have burned at least four Buddhist temples and 15 homes after a Buddhist man apparently insulted their religion on Facebook.”
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211046/Muslims-set-temples-homes-Bangladesh-protest-Buddhist-man-insulting-religion-Facebook.html

      Read this book
      Young Oon Kim (1976). World Religions: Volume 2: India’s Religious Quest. Golden State Publishing Co.
      In this book you can find the following heart breaking info :
      “The Persian historian Minhaj-i-Siraj, in his chronicle the Tabaqat-I-Nasiri, reported that thousands of monks were burned alive and thousands beheaded as Khilji tried his best to uproot Buddhism and plant Islam by the sword”
      Even your own historian claims the attrocities of Islam towards this great and glorious religion.

      • noor

        @som
        I have recently come across a book “Volga se Ganga” by Rahul Sankrityayan ane emininent scholar which describes the animosity of Brahmins towards Bhuddhists and the cunningness of Brahmins.
        The sword of Brahamanism was not used exclusively for the Buddhists, Jains and darker skinned Untouchables suffered too. Not satisfied by eliminating Buddhism on the continental Subcontinent today the same sword of Hinduvata Brahmanism continues to spread carnage to the Sinhalese Buddhists in Sri Lanka, the Sikkimese Buddhist, and the Bhutanese Buddhists. Brahman’s also chased the Buddhists in Southeast Asia. Campuchia, Laos and Vietnam are full of carcasses the carnage that was exported to Souteast Asia. Millions of Buddhists ran from the Subcontinent to Burma, and even to China, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

        • ravi

          @noor
          “Brahman’s also chased the Buddhists in Southeast Asia. Campuchia, Laos and Vietnam are full of carcasses the carnage that was exported to Souteast Asia. Millions of Buddhists ran from the Subcontinent to Burma, and even to China, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.”
          Who are those Brahmans???
          Are you have Brahmanophobia???

        • ravi

          @noor
          Volga se Ganga is a work of historical fiction. It is also a fanciful account of the invasion of India by Aryans some 6, 000 years ago !
          Only Marxists take this work seriously.

          The AIT (Aryan Invasion Theory) has been consigned to the dustbin of history by Indic scholars. Only Marxist scholars still hold on to it, although even they now speak about slow migrations (Romila Thapar).

          The refutation of AIT began some twenty plus years ago when the work on the Harappan civilisation began by Indic scholars and also the discovery of the ancient river Sarasvati mentioned in the Rig Veda some 72 times and which disappeared post Vedic times owing to techtonic shifts etc. Satellite photography has sighted the dried up river bed.

          There has also been considerable work done on the deciphering of the Indus script. The most recent has been by Dr.N.S. Rajaram. See his (and Jha’s) book The Deciphered Indus Script (2000). Dr. Kalyanraman has also written Indus Script Cipher (2010).

          Dr. Rajaram has generously written 4 articles for the general reader which are extremely valuable. See his The Origin of the Indo Europeans ( articles are in Folks Magazine).

          The damage that Marxist scholars have done to the study of Indian history is incalculable.

  31. John

    The brahmins are very good at spreading lies like they currently do against Christians and Muslims about the conversions. Anything who question their authority, priestly livelihood is maligned, demonized and destroyed. This was what happened to Buddhism. Violence has always been very integral to Brahminism which is basically a pagan racist ideology of hate, oppression and slavery. They still believe that Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are part of brahminism when the fact is all three are antithetical to oppressive, anti-democratic brahminism. Likewise they believe Dalits and Tribals are Hindus too even though they had their own religions and were never admitted into brahminical temples. Brahminists resort to lies, false propaganda and violence when faced with facts. The dogma of karma has never allowed them to have a sense of shame and guilt – the oppressed must suffer because its their karma.

    • jay

      Tribal s are Hindus because they are nature worshiper.

    • jay

      @John
      There are huge protests in Bangla Desh by Hindus and Muslims alike at the Islamic persecution of minorities.

      Even as we speak a 200 year old Durga temple was torched there.

      Buddhism like Jainism is a Dharmic religion and despite shortlived animosities the bond with Hinduism is very strong. Bharat is the land of the Dharmic faiths not the proselytising faiths.

      This has always been the case and lately one reads of both Christians and Muslims returning to their ancestral faith Hinduism.

    • JGN

      @ John the baptist, the real fight is between the Crusaders and Jihadis all over the world. Pl don’t drag the heathens/pagans/kafirs into your fight. http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/beware-muslim-males-targeting-christian-girls-for-marriage-and-forced-conversion/

      • Monotheists love to kill each other. The German Catholics murdered 6,000,000 Jews in WWII. Muslims love wiping our Christian communities, wherever possible. Christians want to bomb the hell out Islamic states. Jews love to slap around the Muslims in Israel. Muslims love to lob missiles into Israeli towns and villages. Hallelluia, Abraham, quite some ‘family’ you’ve created! Keep up the good work.

  32. IndianOcean

    Please don’t assassinate Modi. Let Indians enjoy the wonderful life under his Golden Rule which is going to come in the near future..

  33. harpreet

    If you want to see what happened to Buddhism, just check out what has been happening to Sikhism. Legally Sikhs do not exist in India but are just Hindus. Sikhs refused to sign the Indian constitution due to that. Sikhs were declared a criminal tribe as soon as the British left. In the 80s and 90s, hundreds of thousands of Sikhs were slaughtered, mainly the Amritdharis. So it became very scary to be a Sikh. Then all this preaching by people like the RSS started, to declare Sikhism a part of Hinduism. They don’t just go preach, they also commission art showing the Sikh Gurus to be Hindu gods basically and have written all sorts of books to distort Sikh history. Basically famous Sikhs like Banda Singh Bahadur have their names changed and are described as Hindus. Even Maharaja Ranjit Singh is said to be a Hindu by these people. Though there is a Sikh PM, he was appointed. He is a guy who worships penises at Hindu temples but cannot tell France to listen to the UN and let Sikhs wear turbans. He also works with and has promoted killers who led mobs that went around burning Sikhtemples and killing, maiming, and raping any Sikhs they could hunt down in their homes, in their vehicles, on public transportation, hiding in the Gurdwaras, or anywhere else. When Sikhs in other places protest against his genocidal MPS and ministers, the bastard hates it. He feels Canada can be bullied as India successfully carried out a plane bombing and got it blamed on Sikhs (a plane whose pilots were Sikhs and most of the passengers on it were Sikhs too). So this so-called Sikh,Manmohan the coward and rat, had the audacity to throw his weight around against Canada and say Canadian Sikhs are causing problems (though the police in Punjab denied it and so did CSIS). Since then, he and his government have said it lots of times, so much so that the Canadian politicians seem to have gotten sick and tired of it and have said Sikhs have the right to freedom of expression in Canada and can campaign for a separate Sikh state if they wish as long as it is peacefully done in response to India’s demands though they did not want to say anything initially. It is just not good for trade but the Indian are just so fucking, obnoxious that they never know when to quit. The immigration minister a few months ago even told them there is nothing wrong with advocating Khalistan if it is done peacefully after they asked him to start deporting Sikhs who are Indian nationals in Canada if they campaign for a separate Sikh state. Anyway, their formula for trying to get rid of Sikhs ranges from genocide and all out murder, killings of Amritdharis, art, books, movies (Bollywood plays a role in the ethnocide and riducule of Sikhs in a big way), and there is finanical suppression too. As well, many of our religious leaders are puppets of India through fear and greed. A lot of the Sikhs killed in the name of terrorism dominated certain industries according to Kushwant Singh in his book “The End of India.” The end result is this, people of Sikh origins who come from India are surprised to see all these people of Sikh origins practicing Sikhism and Sikhism flourishing in places like Canada where the state does not repress it. Well, it seems like some of the ancient Buddhists were glad when invaders came according to Hindus. I for one am a Sikh who would be very happy if China were to conquer India.The way it kills and maligns those who are not of the majority, well I don’t wish it well trust me.

    • S

      Dear Harpreet – The Sikhs were made by Gurus to defend Hinduism, as the Muslim invaders were killing Hindus by the thousands EVERY SINGLE DAY in those times, and the Kshatriyas of North West India (Punjab Sindh Kshetra) were almost wiped out completely and there were no warriors left to defend the common people.

      The Sikhs were, and are highly respected by Hindus through the centuries since. They, along with the Marathas of India, broke the evil Mogul empire and are responsible for the present day freedoms that Indians enjoy. Do keep in mind that the Kshatriyas of Rajasthan, over-hyped as they are, mostly fought to defend their forts and cities, and never sought the liberation of greater North India. The Sikhs get the credit for that. Do go through this link –

      http://www.historyofjihad.org/india.html?syf=contact

    • @Harpreet, I have great respect for Sikhs and Sikhism. In fact, many Hindus do have high regard for Sikh Gurus. It is very painful that an intemperate language is directed at the oldest tradition of the world Sanatana Dharma and its followers. Please do get the facts right before making reckless charges against the great dharmic tradition.

    • Salim

      Harpeet gee,the commentators are liars don’t believe a word they say,Sikhism has nothing to do with hinduism,Sikhs believe in one and only ONE God (unlike Hinduism or better call it Brahmanism where they have gods in tons),no Gurdwaras are forcibly occupied by Muslims it is a load of BS,if you get a chance to go to Pakistan please visit Nakana Sahib,Punja Sahib and many many more Gurdwaras and see for yourself what i am talking about and also check out these links and judge for yourself:

      this one is a must watch:

  34. JGN

    @ harpreet, from where did the “Sikhs” come? Did they fall from the sky?

    • They fell from Hinduism. They felt they had to blend H. with I. in order to ‘accommodate’ themselves to the Muslims. I come from British Columbia (where the most Sikh’s are located around the city of Vancouver) and the Sikh’s are treated well there, but it is well known that as a people, overall, they are aggressive. They blew up an Air Canada flight from Canada to India. Many innocent Indians died in that crash. This monstrous crime is still unresolved.

      • “They felt they had to blend H. with I. in order to ‘accommodate’ themselves to the Muslims.”

        These are modern day claims by opportunist politicians and historians who have a vested interested in driving a wedge b/w Hindus and Sikhs. The real history of Sikhs is much different — they were founded as the sword arm of the Hindus against the Muslims. They were the Saint Soldiers. They were asked to keep long hair and tie them in a knot on the top of the head like ancient Rishis of India and cover them with a saffron coloured turban. The Gurus fought every battle invoking Hindu Gods like Shiva against the tyranny of Islam. The God is represented in Sikhism as Ek Omkar (Hindu Om). Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism, one of the many. But Khalistanis have taken on monotheistic-like hatred of Hindus and are now no different than the Taliban. Strangely, the jokers try to ally with the rabid Muslims against the Hindus — The Gurus must be turning in their graves. In Afghanistan, the same Sikhs were forced to wear a badge to identify them as infidels. In Pakistan, their Gurudwaras are forcibly occupied by Muslims. But Khalistanis lick their boots.

  35. JGN

    @ duartmaclean, the Sikhs claiming a separate identity is a recent phenomena, instigated by Pakistan, to avenge for the loss of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971. Master Tara Singh was one of the founding members of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP). The ties between Hindus and Sikhs in Punjab is too strong. So the instigators could not succeed. In fact it was a KPS Gill ( a “keshdhari” Sikh himself) who had brought terrorism in Punjab to an end.

  36. S

    Who would have ever thought of it ? Buddhists on the Warpath ? Seriously though, Islam wiped out the Buddhists from the North Western part of India during it’s early invasions. But it took the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas in 2001 to really wake them up. The religion of peace website has been carrying a picture of Buddhists protesting for the past month –

    http://thereligionofpeace.com/

  37. noor

    HOW BUDHISM WAS DESTROYED:
    During the Maurya era, Budha Dhamma was the mightiest enemy of Brahmins. It had almost wiped out Brahminism. At that time our Indus kingdom was in full bloom. The excavation of the Indus cities prove that every city contained a stupa. Seals of dhamma-chakra are found in plenty. In one of the cities even a headless statue of Budha was also found. Seals depicting worship of Bodhi Pipal tree have also been found. The whole Indus kingdom had turned into Budhist state.
    At that time Brahmins under Pushyamitra committed regicide of Emperor Varihdarth and genocide of Budhists. But the Brahmins did not succeed in fishing the Budha Dhamma by dand. Therefore, they adopted the sure strategy of sam. Under this strategy, the Brahmins took their first step by declaring the Budha as one of our gods. As a next step the cunning Brahmins joined Budhism as bhikkhus.
    A Brahmin like Kumarila Bhat, Nagarjun in the garb of bhikhus injected Brahminic venom into the veins of Dhamma. Tales of Jatak were distorted, simple Dhamma was infected with complex rituals. Brahmins led the Dhamma to Tantarikism. In the garb of bhikhu, they committed heinous sins. The end result: Dhamma vanished from its birth place.

    • som

      @noor
      The Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) was an old civilization (3300–1300 BCE; mature period 2600–1900 BCE) in the northwestern region of the Indian subcontinent, Flourishing around the Indus River basin, the civilization extended east into the Ghaggar-Hakra River valley and the upper reaches Ganges-Yamuna Doab; it extended west to the Makran coast of Balochistan, north to northeastern Afghanistan and south to Daimabad in Maharashtra. The civilization was spread over some 1,260,000 km², making it the largest known ancient civilization.

      The time of Gautama’s birth and death is uncertain: most historians in the early 20th century dated his lifetime as circa 563 BCE to 483 BCE, but more recent opinion dates his death to between 486 and 483 BCE or, according to some, between 411 and 400 BCE. However, at a specialist symposium on this question held in 1988 in Göttingen, the majority of those scholars who presented definite opinions gave dates within 20 years either side of 400 BCE for the Buddha’s death, with others supporting earlier or later dates. These alternative chronologies, however, have not yet been accepted by all other historians.
      SO THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION WAS MUCH BEFORE THE PERIOD OF BUDDHA.

    • ravi

      @noor
      “Seals of dhamma-chakra are found in plenty. In one of the cities even a headless statue of Budha was also found. Seals depicting worship of Bodhi Pipal tree have also been found. The whole Indus kingdom had turned into Budhist state.”
      DO NOT SPREAD THESE TYPE OF LIES BECAUSE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION WAS MUCH BEFORE THE PERIOD OF BUDDHA.

    • Y

      @noor
      Pusyamitra Sunga (185–149 BCE) was the founder and first King of the Sunga Dynasty in Northern India.

      Pusyamitra Sunga was originally a Senapati (General) of the Mauryan empire. In 185 BCE he assassinated the last Mauryan Emperor (Brhadrata) during an army review, and proclaimed himself King. He then performed the Ashwamedha Yajna and brought much of Northern India under his rule. Inscriptions of the Shungas have been found as far as the Jalandhar in the Punjab, and the Divyavadana mentions that his rule extended as far as Sagala (Sialkot).
      DO NOT SPREAD THESE TYPE OF LIES BECAUSE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION WAS MUCH BEFORE THE PERIOD OF BUDDHA AND PUSYAMITRA SUNGA.

    • nikhil

      @noor
      It is not true that Brahmanism opposed Buddhism. The first disciples of the enlightened one were all Brahmins. For example, Maha Muggalanna, Sariputta, Maha Kashyapa, Asita, Kaundinya.

      Buddha rejected only the Brahminical rituals, the authority of the Vedas and the oppressive caste system.
      Buddha himself had anticipated the decline in one of his talks with Ananda, his chief disciple

      So,where did the Buddhists disappear? They went back to their ancient faith—Hinduism—to resist the Muslims.

    • S

      Hey noor, what exactly are you smoking ? Buddha was not even born when the Indus Valley Civilization was flourishing.

    • I read this text on a pakistani website.
      Hey Noor you paki cockroach atleast write something new ..
      who killed Buddhists in Burma..and Bangladesh..who destroyed Bamiyan Buddha idol…and here you are writing crappy thoeries copy pasted from Paki websites.

    • sadanand

      hey noor, in olden days in india there used to be debate over religions with a condition that whoever was defeated in the debate, had to convert to the religion of the winner. no war or proselyting as islam and christians do. adi shankara defeated mandana mishra (disciple of kumarila bhatta)in debate on advaita vedanta it is not like u have in islam showing unsheathed.sword in right hand and quran in left hand, threatening poor soul to choose whichever he wanted. noor,your ancestors were one among the poor souls. u like islam very much now because even as a pig likes dirty surroundings as it is habituated to such surroundings. even if you put it in clean surroundings it will go back to dirty pen. recently while in kuwait a muslim gave me a copy of quran in english, i felt it was good for nomadic arabs. it is only about frightening people in the name of god. no good for intelligent people who ask questions.. no wonder arab’s intellectual works are carried out by outsiders. another aspect of islams is that it is not renewing according to changing times. if you donot change according to changing times, time will change you, whose result will be disastrous. i see that signal in your religion which is fighting in and out.

  38. JGN

    @ noor, so a few thousand Brahmins were able to destroy a mighty religion? What weed r u smoking?

    • @JGN There may have been some violence between religionists….I’m not sure. But one historical event in particular seems to have been the main reason for the demise of Buddhism in India: Adi Sankara (circa 8th century). I will not say more on this, because I assume that all who are interested in this topic will certainly be familiar with this great scholar Sage. Those who have not heard of him should do some research before placing all of the blame on the Brahmins, etc.

  39. Padmanabhan

    @som.Y,ravi and nikhil.
    So,these type of distortion of history is not new for us,
    This is the joint effort of “secularists” in the establishment, media, political parties, educational institutions like Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi University, Jamia Millia Islamia, Aligarh Muslim University, Calcutta University, to mention only a few, Christian missionaries and the Muslim priestly class.
    They have created a situation where it has become very difficult for the majority Hindus to live and work as respectable citizens. The moment you say that you are a proud Hindu, you would be dismissed as a “rank communalist” by the “secularists”.
    The fact of the matter is that many disgusted Hindus have started saying that “it is a crime to be an Indian”.

  40. JGN

    @ Salim, the Bahamian Buddha was peacefully blasted by the “Brahmins” as also Jizya was imposed on the Sikhs in Swat Valley (The Switzerland of Pakistan) them !!! These things happened very recently.

  41. JGN

    @ duartmaclean, Adi Shankara lived only for about 32 years (788–820 CE). It is impossible to believe that he was able to wipe out Buddhism, a Religion supposed to have encompassed the whole of Indian Sub-continent, in such a short span of time.

    More over when the Islamic invaders and European colonizers could not wipe out Hinduism from Indian soil in a thousand years of their rule, we cannot assume that the peaceful Buddhists could have replaced the native religion with theirs.

    Buddhism was founded by (or after) one person (Gautama Buddha) like the Abrahamic Religions and existed so long as the Kings patronized the same. Once the Kings became weak and/or their dynasties ended, the Religion also lost its prominence. There is no evidence for violence between the Buddhists and followers of other native Religions in India.

    • S

      JGN – Shankaracharya used “Shastratha” to re-convert a large number of Buddhists back to Hinduism. The newly turned Buddhists were familiar with the traditional Indian method that used logic to argue one’s points.

      Buddhism did not spread to the whole of India as such, it was limited to the North Western part of India, if you recall, this part of India is now Afghanistan, and it fell very quickly to the Islamic invasions. While some kings like Raja Dahir were Hindu, a large part of the population was Buddhist, and therefore this region turned Islamic over a thousand years ago. It took Islam hundreds of more years to make inroads in Central and South India, chiefly because Hinduism had it’s warriors.

    • @ JGN, You need to brush up on your history a little! Yes, Adi Sankara reputedly lived only 32 years, but he wrote powerful commentaries on all of the major Upanishads, the Brahma Sutras and the Bhagavad-Gita. This knowledge was dispensed by his followers. Also the four major Maths were established as a result of Sankara’s labours. What some egocentric Buddhists try to ignore is that without the already existing Knowledge contained in the Upanishads, Buddha — who was by birth a Hindu — almost certainly would not have attained the Knowledge he attained. How come Muslims and Christians didn’t attain this Knowledge? The answer is that nothing in their own traditions pointed to the Self or the absolute primacy of Pure Consciousness. Yes, the philosophy that evolved from his original teachings differed from the Vedanta in some important aspects. But there is more synchronicity than disagreement between Hinduism and Buddhism. It is well known that Buddha moved about and interacted with Hindu yogis and savants prior to His enlightenment, and these interactions would have influenced his thinking and his experience. Buddhism is an off-shoot of the already-existing Knowledge contained in the Upanishads. This is not to diminish the stature of the Buddha, but neither should we accept that ‘The Buddha did it all alone.’ He didn’t because his foundations, prior to his Enlightenment, where already established in the older Vedic knowledge. Tell me, where did the Dalai Lama go for protection and support when the Chinese communists damned themselves to Hell by their violent, demonic overthrow of Tibet? The Dalai Lama went home; he went to India. Enough said.

      • @ duartmaclean, you have painted a correct picture. The persecution of Buddhists by Hindus is actually a concoction fabricated by a few Marxist historians like Romila Thopar, et al to malign Hinduism. In fact, His Holiness Dalai Lama himself stated that one of the main reasons for the decline of Buddhism in India is due to the efforts of Adi Sankara in the defence of Sanatana Dharma. So, Adi Sankara’s contribution towards rejuvenation of Hinduism, which was later carried on by Ramanuja, Madhava, Nimbarka, Sri Chaitanya and other great savants, is inestimable. In spite of all this, the apologists of Marxist and liberal school of historians continue to hawk this line.

        • @ N.V. Sudhakar, Your comments warm my heart! I was not aware that the misinformation was concocted by some Marxist historians. It does not surprise me, however. It is amazing how committed are the demonic minds to the eradication of the most enlightened teachings ever to have appeared on this planet –i.e., the Upanishads. By the way, Hindus should be informed that the majority of the founding fathers of quantum physics — Schrodinger, Heisenberg, Einstein, Tesla, Bohr, to mention a few — were all avid students of the Upanishads and drew their most profound insights from those texts.

  42. JGN

    @ Salim, what the Sikhs believe in is not the same “one and only God” the Muslims believe. Like the Muslims, some Sikhs also have territorial ambitions (Raj karenga Khala)!! That is one reason for their claiming separate identity.

    Btw do u hv any proof for the existence of your “one and only God”??

  43. Y

    @Harpreet,John the baptist and others,
    You had stated “Buddhism had pretty much been eliminated as a force much much before the Muslims arrived.”
    Let’s see how wrong you are.
    Ever heard of the Chinese monk Xuan Zang ? These are his records.
    Vedas and Buddhist scriptures were studied side by side in the Nalanda university, depicting the harmony of Hinduism and Buddhism.
    http://www.iep.utm.edu/xuanzang/#H2
    “There were over ten thousand Mahayana monks there engaged in the study of the orthodox Buddhist canon as well as the Vedas… ”

    So tolerant were the Hindus in India at at that time that Xuan Zang, a foreigner, even critisized the Hindu philosophies.
    “At Nalanda, Xuanzang became a critic of two major philosophical systems of Hinduism opposed to Buddhism: the Samkhya and the Vaiseshika… in absolute contradiction to the acosmic idealism of the Buddhist Yogacara…. Xuanzang also critiqued the atheistic monism of the Jains….”
    “Xuanzang’s success in religious and philosophical disputes evidently aroused the attention of some Indian potentates, including the King of Assam and king Harsha (r. 606-647), who was regarded as a Buddhist patron saint upon the throne like Ashoka and Kanishka of old (Remember Ashoka, according to your website is the king which did not exist). An eighteen-day religious assembly was convoked in Harsha’s capital of Kanauj during the first week of the year 643, during which Xuanzang allegedly defeated five hundred Brahmins, Jains, and heterodox Buddhists in spirited debate”
    And in case you thought that XuanZang was branded “kaffir” by the Hindus and beheaded…here’s what actually happenned :
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/274015/Xuanzang
    “… even the powerful king Harsha, ruler of North India, wanted to meet and honour him. Thanks largely to that king’s patronage, Xuanzang’s return trip to China, begun in 643, was greatly facilitated.”
    Imagine, a Chinese Buddhist coming to Hindu India, critisizing the Vedas, defeating Hindu pandits in a debate, and was allowed to leave with full honours to his native China. You recall Adi Sankara, a Hindu pandit, he had also defeated the Buddhist monks in similar debates which led to several monks converting back to Hinduism. Hindu and Buddhist priests were always engaged in such debates, never any violence.

    • som

      @Y,
      Very well written and informative about visit of Chinese monk Xuan Zang and peaceful debate between Hinduism,Buddhism and Jainism.
      Thanks.

    • nikhil

      @Y,well said.Thanks.
      Sources are very much authentic to prove yourself.

    • nikhil

      @Y.

      your blog depicted Such a peaceful atmosphere and traditions of co-existence for different religions during our previous era.
      As an Indian as well as a Hindu,i felt very much proud after reading all such historical facts written by you,.

    • @ Y, very well elucidated with concrete evidence. Hope that trolls such as Harpreet, Noor, et al would think twice before making mischievous or rather half-baked comments.

      • hari

        @N.V. Sudhakar
        Distortion of history had been carried out by secularist ,maxist ( so called) historians much before.
        This had been started by Nehru,followed by B.R,Ambedekar V.T. Rajshekar , Suman Das ,Jayaprakash Romila Thapar Prof. Bahauddin Rahul Sankrityayan and many more.

        • Y

          A typically pathetic, mud-slinging & disinformation which is obvously distorted, twisted out of context & has had all sorts of doctoring done to it, it is the utterly unprofessional, typically thoughtless manner in which it has been done .
          Now jihadi had better restrict to killing, looting, bombing & other barbaric activities. conducting a proper disinformation campaign is way beyond virtually non-existent intellectual capabilities!

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