Can Hindus Self-Govern Competitively? Lessons from the Nithyananda Scandal

Can Hindus Self-Govern Competitively? Lessons from the Nithyananda Scandal
By Rajiv Malhotra, April 26, 2010

The Christian Church has the longest continuous history of governance, with a tremendous track record of protecting its interests under all circumstances. Its history of corporate governance is not only remarkable amongst religions but also when compared to commercial multinational corporations. Most people are unaware that it was the Church that first invented many of the corporate management procedures, norms and laws in use today by multinational corporations. The Church floated the first commercial multinationals as well, such as the Knights Templar, centuries before the British East India Trading Company and other multinationals emerged using similar methods.

For over a decade I have studied with interest the governance systems of various Christian denominations, both formally in seminary courses and through my attendance of various Church conferences. The Church has learned a great deal through trial and error and has thus become robust. The proof lies in its ability to survive even after hundreds of scandals in its history. Its latest scandals involve many thousands of minor children who were sexually abused by hundreds of priests in dozens of scattered locations across the world. This went on for a period of many decades and was systematically covered up by its leadership at the highest levels. Yet the resilience of the Church in protecting itself is amazing.

While Western secularists have led the charge against the Church, India’s so-called secular media, intellectuals, NGOs and government have remained mostly quiet. By comparison with the Church scandal, the relatively lesser abuses by Hindu gurus turn into major sensations as though it was some kind of terrorist attack. (The real terrorists, meanwhile, do not always get hounded with the same intensity.) This is not to defend Swami Nithyananda (“SN”), whose resignation I was the first person to call for many weeks ago. When I did my journalistic investigations in early March this year, I wrote that one of my main interests was to figure out lessons to be learnt about Hindus’ ability to govern their institutions and protect their collective interests in the modern world.

Those who adopt the orthodox posture rigidly (with ridiculous claims like Hindus should not live outside India) also condemn all attempts to professionalize the governance of Hindu institutions. But they must note that Indian laws require compliance with regulations pertaining to trusts, societies and associations that are based almost entirely on Western corporate rules of governance which originated in the Church. In other words, whether we like it or not, it is not Dharmashastras or Arthashastras that provide the legal methods for governance in India. Besides, there is much our gurus can learn from modern corporate governance, and our tradition has a long history of assimilating new ideas from everywhere and adapting itself.

Manu himself said that smritis are meant to be revised and rewritten for each period of time and each new context. Parroting old smritis (such as the recent condemnations of Hindus based outside India) might serve narrow selfish interests, but this fossilized approach is not how dharma has functioned for many millennia. There is a clear history of dharma that shows change and evolution, many trial and error approaches, speculative writings and debates, and so forth.

The scandal of SN provided an opportunity to test how Hindus might collectively respond in crisis management, what mechanisms and institutions they might have along the lines of the World Council of Churches and various other bodies that other world religions have developed. Could a Hindu body be brought in to play a responsible role, either an institution or a panel of elders, such that there would be fair play by the system and not prosecution by an utterly biased and corrupt media? This would not be in lieu of courts but alongside them, as a sort of voice of authenticity adding objectivity and analysis in support of the legal due process.

What I discovered in this inquiry confirmed my worst fears: Hindus have no such mechanism, nor is one likely to emerge in the near future, especially given the voices that tend to block such moves. There were several individuals who did perform commendably in their personal capacities trying to help bring dharmic justice. I am referring to individuals who took the time and interest for several days, trying to understand the various facets and dimensions of the saga, and who acted with impeccable honor, clarity, morality and without any selfish interests. Yet these noble attempts failed. Why? And what can we learn from this? There are several complex factors that make Hinduism dysfunctional when it comes to collective action in the kurukshetra compared to Christian, Islamic, Marxist/Subaltern and miscellaneous opportunistic identities.

The closest Hindu body to the World Council of Churches is the Hindu Dharma Acharya Sabha, and it was disinterested in playing such a role. The role is critical it felt, but HDAS was not in a position to perform it. My sense is that despite a decade of Swami Dayananda Saraswati’s commendable attempts, this body is still not robust enough to garner the wide support needed in such a controversial matter. It deserves support to strengthen itself further. The Church mechanisms were not built overnight. (Interestingly, HDAS got attacked by some Hindu journalists charging that it was trying to meddle in the matter, but the facts are just the opposite – HDAS senior persons felt right away that it would not get involved. For a rebuttal to these attackers see the article by Jayakumar.)

But there were numerous elders, both sadhus and civic leaders, who did make an honest attempt in their personal capacities to see if some collective actions could work out. More than SN personally, it was a matter of larger Hindu interests at stake. Some felt that SN should go away for at least five years and leave his institution in the hands of another sadhu who he would select. This would bring continuity to the lives of the hundreds of young men and women who did nothing wrong, but who stand to lose a lot having left everything and joined as ashramites or as other full-time disciples. It would keep the non-Hindu groups from getting control over the properties which had been funded by the pocketbooks of Hindu donors worldwide.

Such problem-solving attempts involve extensive consultations, meetings, negotiations and navigating amidst multiple egos and agendas – all without any predictable outcome in the end. This demands risk taking and leadership. The Church took centuries to develop its robustness, with considerable enterprise by numerous risk takers. Are Hindus willing to go through such processes that are not instant successes and bring no personal benefit? There were indeed those who saw the multiple issues at stake and were able to separate them out, but others felt that the moral issue had to get resolved first and until then no other progress could take place.

The facts available were murky and unreliable all along. Without being able to interview each of the persons directly involved – at least SN, Ranjitha and any other women potentially involved, and Lenin – what we had were conflicting stories that kept changing from one day to the next. SN did not make his position clear enough, and nor was he consistent in what he said to various persons from one day to the next. Each new rumor or allegation, including many ridiculous ones, became media opportunities to regurgitate the scandal. From the legal side as well, reliable information was unavailable. Many media allegations of criminal complaints were outright fabrications because the police said that no such complaint had been made by anyone.
 
SN missed a great opportunity for a potential solution that would have received backing from many Hindu elders, when he verbally accepted the resignation idea (and even said so in an interview which his inner circle later decided not to post online), but later told his inner circle that this resignation would be a sham. This appeared to be duplicity and upset many who had tried so hard to negotiate among a wobbly, unwieldy lot of Hindu leaders. It is not surprising that many individuals who had meant well started to walk away and returned to their normal lives, exhausted from the grueling process and frustrated at the roadblocks at every turn. Hindus seem to be their own worst enemies.

SN’s inner circle was also feeling tremendous personal stress and risk, and gradually, more and more persons started to walk away. Some had economic pressures to support themselves, once it became clear that the organization would not be teaching courses in the near future that bring the cash required to support approximately 200 ashramites. Others felt ashamed at the scandal as relatives and friends questioned their choices in life. There were those who felt betrayed that SN had abandoned them and not been in contact. Yet others felt side tracked because they no longer enjoyed the authority in the organization. Some left without a grudge purely to protect themselves. Others turned from bhakti and seva into virulent hatred against him. What he needed in the inner circle were logical persons rather than emotional ones, and strong personalities who could tell him what was on their minds rather than the blind idol worship commonly given to gurus.

My theory is that there were three kinds of reasons for a person being attracted to him prior to the scandal.

(1) Those whose closeness was based on having had experiences (in meditation or healing) had something to take away; hence their relationship with SN had not been a total loss. Such persons did not turn hostile even after they left him. Many of them continue the meditations and plan to do so – they can separate the techniques he taught from the rest of him.

(2) Others did not get any such experiences and their relationship was purely based on blind faith that he was Paramhansa, hence infallible. It was bhakti based, which he encouraged. The crisis tore such devotees from deep within as they had become very emotionally dependent upon him. Some of them enjoyed a high status in his presence and this boosted their own personal egos and gave them stature. The downfall of SN became their personal downfall as well. They feel deeply betrayed so they lashed out.

(3) The third category saw him as someone who had great potential to help dharma counteract some of the threats it faces in the modern kurukshetra. Their disappointment is not as intense as he is one among many leaders and they must simply move on.

I did not have guru-devotion (i.e. the second category) and told him so on many occasions. He had no problem teaching meditation to those who did not consider him their personal guru. This is why I have been more objective, able to separate out different kinds of issues and judge each independently. (It is ironic that when I called for his resignation based on the facts at the time (which are now being validated publicly), many Hindu “activists” angrily hounded me with insinuations like “Jaichand” (traitor), and yet these persons had NO link with SN whatsoever, none of the three kinds I have mentioned above. They knew hardly anything of his teaching, had never met him, and yet felt authoritative in making sweeping judgments. This is armchair Hindu activism at its worst.)

The legal case will not be easy to solve, as rushing to judgment would be dangerous. For sure, the authorities are under great pressure to incriminate him on whatever grounds it takes. As regards the “sex contracts” mentioned in the media, I wrote long ago that I saw one with my own eyes. It is not a contract saying something like, “Let’s have sex, baby!” It’s a corporate style Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) that all employees sign in most large corporations. It covers the standard things like protecting all the intellectual property of the corporation, ensuring that trade secrets of various techniques and teachings are not turned into any ashramite’s personal property, that there is no conflict-of-interest activity such as starting one’s own teaching practice on the side, and so forth. It tries to prevent someone from walking away with the meditation techniques and becoming a guru, as has happened to numerous gurus in the past. In this 5 page contract, there is a small portion on sex. It is carefully worded that some of the techniques the individual may choose to participate in are Tantra based and these may include sexual contact.

I was told that this NDA was drafted by an American corporate lawyer. When I confronted a senior insider for details (who is an elderly married man living in the ashram with his wife), he remarked that even he had signed the same NDA, though he never had sex with SN. It was something signed by lots of persons as a standard corporate NDA. So, contrary to all the media hype these days, merely having signed the NDA does not equate to having had sex. Time will tell whether this NDA will provide legal protection as proof that any alleged sex was between consenting adults. A couple of parents told me of their daughters being compromised by SN. So it was not just in the case of Ranjitha. But there was no intercourse claimed by them; they charged other kinds of sexual contact and inappropriate touching.

I would like to separate two periods in my understanding of SN – before March 2 and after March 2 of 2010. That was the date when the scandal broke out. Until that date, I had no clue of it, and like most others I was very impressed by his meditation teachings. I cannot comment on the charges being made because my information is indirect via various others, and every account I heard seems to have missing pieces in the story. So I will wait for the courts to do their due process and will not take the media reports at face value. But after the March 2 event, I do have direct information about how SN has conducted himself. His post March 2 track record of making judgments has been very disappointing.

For instance, he is now in jail only on the charge that he failed to show up for a court summons to answer questions. There was no FIR (criminal complaint) against him, only a summons to answer questions. Why did he not show up and answer questions as a free man, rather than being arrested for not showing up and then having to answer questions? Also, why did he persistently approach the man accusing him and try to negotiate a settlement, even though he was being taped all along? Why did he disappear from the scene rather than address his followers when the scandal broke? Most disappointing is his judgment of who he selected and trusted to be close to him, his vacillations on various positions when questioned, and the erratic way he jumped around on what course he would follow. I found him confused, not the crystal clear teacher he had been earlier.

This is a case of multi-faceted truths. Jainism has a remarkable philosophy of the multifaceted nature of truth, called Anekāntavāda. This means avoidance of one point of view only, and accepting that multiple facets of the truth might not add up to a conclusion in one binary dimension – like true/false or good/bad. From my first writings of the SN saga, I have emphasized that the matter involves multiple aspects, and these cannot be collapsed by reductionism. Syādvāda is a highly developed Jaina methodology that systematically applies this principle. It requires the observer to maintain healthy skepticism, reasonable doubt, pluralistic outcomes, and hold on to even what might appear to be contradictions. One should always be open to new data that might provide fresh insights. It would be good for those trying to rush to judgment on such episodes to examine this philosophy with an open mind. Unfortunately, some self-appointed journalists operating as “Hindu authorities” have used Semitic methods of reductionism and dogmatic approaches to box in the dharma.

Returning to the issue of corporate governance, the goal to unify Hindu groups in social-political matters is necessary if Hinduism is to survive. This is what Manu and other past leaders would want us to do in today’s world. But this entails inculcating Kshatriya competence among a large number of individuals. Some loud mouthed journalists have tried to apply orthodox Brahmin norms to such issues without realizing that these challenges fall under the realm of Kshatriyata. This means it’s irrelevant whether a kshatriya leader today got his “adhikar” certified by a given orthodox sampradaya. Such critics lack even the basic experience in modern governance or management. Hindus have centuries of catching up to do in this regard. Under the colonial rule of Muslims and then Christians, the Kshatriyata was deliberately depleted. After all, any foreign ruler would suspect the Kshatriyas as a threat to him. Brahmins by themselves are not a political threat.

Such a revival entails courageous experimentation, risk taking, enterprising attempts to engage the real issues as and when they happen. It cannot be done from the sidelines browsing in cyberspace and issuing email pronouncements and petition blogs. One has to get one’s hands dirty with field work in order to learn. It also involves getting inside the large scale institutional management of other religions in order to learn their strengths and weaknesses as well what we could borrow from them. This is not casual stuff and demands serious commitment on a full-time basis for many years. Most challenging of all, expect no help from Hindus, but lots of suspicion, blame and arrows from bystanders who have little to contribute positively.

I won’t speculate whether some of these “Hindu journalists” are double agents. But I wish to point out that at least one person named Khalid Azam, a devout opponent of Hinduism, has started to circulate the attacks by these “Hindu journalists” against Hindu leaders and institutions. He feels this will help him rally support against Hinduism. The spirit of samvad requires that debate within the dharma must be done with fairness and use of accurate information, not blind accusations based on false “conspiracy theories” and blatantly incorrect information. Unfortunately, this has not been the habit of those claiming to have the monopolistic adhikar to speak for Hinduism. Even when errors have been clearly pointed out to them, they have persisted in their attacks.
 
In the absence of competent leadership that can build teamwork, Hinduism faces a bleak future in a world filled with civilization clashes.

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  1. Vikram

    Dear Rajiv,

    Fundamental philosophy of Sanatan Dharma is to accept and move along with the change. We the people on the other side of Indus need to understand the value of Sanatan Dharma and the solutions uncovered by millions of Rishis should become part of our lives to make our lives better and our co-existence better.

    Civilization clash is inevitable in this materialistic dimension as geographical barriers abate. The more we fortify our culture the faster we decade and rotten by the powerful role of ego.

    Our focus should be in educating all generations about being open to understand the powerful features of Sanatan Dharma and be resilient to absorb the best of other dharmas. SN has made this very clear in his teachings and techniques.

    Inspite of all the happenings on his personal front, we need to respect this being for giving great insights about humanity and its dharma.

  2. Hal Patel

    A smooth way to absolve yourself from your close associations with SN. Regarding period before March 2 and after.. what about those videographed interviews on youtube with SN in march and early April? Not you?

  3. Vikas

    Dear Mr. Malhotra,
    I agree with the concept of unity among Hindus. The problems are in this present media age, transparancy is the most important issue which Nithyananda lacked.

    1. SN had two faces, one at the front of the devotees and big donors and influential NRI’s and second a tyrant behind the curtains who manipulated every aspect of life an ashramite. This lead to fights among couples, parents, relatives and collegues. Many divorced and left with a grudge but were not able to prove his tyrant side of personality.

    2. SN did not show mercy to poor, he always wanted very rich people and he did whatever he can, told lies and exaggerations to become a global guru very fast.

    3. Gave false sence of his persona as celibate and a great sadhu who gave enlightenment certificates etcetera.

    4. SN was not even truthful to you when you were trying to help him, which shows his cunningness.

    5. SN is Hindu child, but it does not give rights to abuse the trust of the devotees and ashramites.

    6. SN was very timid and showed he was a cowrard by running away from the ashram.

    7. SN did not face the situatoin like a leader

    8. SN did not tell about sex with Ranjitha and others to his senior deciples.

    Why do you blame Hindus and media when the fault is with this guy and in his personality? Is he worth of protecting and saving? On what basis you want us to protect him? One the basis of 1% argument that tantra is allowed in Hinduism and their is no sacredness in saffron robe?

    • Advaith

      It is useless to argue on the basis of what parivarajaka SN did or what 360 degree vision he had. Why would someone wants to believe SN words. Was there any factual evidence like the video camera with Ranjitha. So let us not accept what he did or what he had vision and all. Let us enter in t0 the fact which is self evident. (1) Video Cam tapes (2) Abusing everyone at the ashramite (3) Abusing the devotees . The fun part is that SN considered as Masters of the present Millenia who use to abuse the ashramite, devotee and also those not involved at all including abusing other religion protestant etc. and these devotees were laughing alongwith SN when SN use to abuse and these devotees also clap when SN gave speech. No one had the courage or guts to say at that time, Hey Swamiji (SN) why are you abusing something that is non existent in the discourse of englightement..Where is the need or necessity to do that…These devotees are moron and the funny part of it is that these devotees and ashramite after the scam, also started abusing and adding more masala to abuse. Guess what, the Master has taught these devotees how to abuse in the discourse that SN use to give at the various Yathra..and now the same devotees are using this abuse at SN…So what one can understand from this relationship between a Master and Disciple..? What you sow that you will reap.? There are strong devotee, who say no I have benefited and I will follow him..these devotees or ashramites are self centered, they are only concerned about themselves because they are broken up and self centered personality and they dont think as PURNAM or WHOLE or HOLY..I have benefited from SN teachings and let others go to hell…I am a separate entity in the cosmos and others are non existent.
      Pity…

  4. Hal Patel

    Vikas, very well said. “..Why do you blame Hindus and media when the fault is with this guy and in his personality?..”

    That is pure escapism, blaming the entire nation or religion for a despicable act of one. That is mindset that needs to be changed first. The systematic change will follow.

  5. Vikas

    Another big mistake Nithyananda made was, he attracted the young IT savy, internet specialists in Microsoft, influential NRI and others big IT companies, who loved the idea of “Enlightened Master” and once he used them and discarded them fo fast when their resourses were over, naturally they became upset and used their Internet savyness and started exposing them. Especially the influential NRI’s did not like the lies.

    Instead of that, if Nithyananda went little slow in becoming global guru with more humbleness and mercyfullness towards his ashramites, it would have become a differrent issue.

    Third issue is his entire biography is made of lies and exaggerations? So, who is supposed to police a self proclaimed Paramahamsa ” Global Guru”? HDAS? When next paramahamsa comes, how do we know whether he is true or fake? what is the role of HDAS in that? What are the checks and balances in this “seft proclaimed Paramahamsa process”?

  6. Manoj

    Please visit this page for more insight:

    Punching Holes in Nithyananda’s God Fraud – A Critique of Rajiv Malhotra’s Essays

    http://nithyananda-cult.blogspot.com/2010/03/punching-holes-in-nithyanandas-god.html

  7. Srinivas

    Hindus can self govern if the rules are written like in a corporate book. We can’t even agree in the differrence between what is sex or Tantra then, we can’t ever self govern!

    First tell us what are the rules of engagement!

    This is where the issue comes Mr. Malhotra, you say what Nithyananda did was Tantra and 99% of people who saw do not agree with you.

  8. Hal Patel

    Mr. Malhotra, this article would have been apt right after the allegations went public and if you hadn’t made three sets of video “objective” interviews (weeks apart), where you seem to be feeding the answers yourself.

  9. Jeevi

    Mr. Rajiv Malhotra,

    Yes, we hindus can self-govern, but, following rules should be part of by-laws of that international organization that:

    1. Any future Swami’s Greed should be managed by this organization

    2. The future Swami’s conduct on how he or she is running the Business. For example, are there any truths to their claims as “God’s” or God like personalities, is grace infront and back room the same? What are the miracle claim process? Are the miracles checked like in Chiristian organization by a board and certain rules?

    3. Does the Swami has ego or he or she doing this for fame.

    4. Does the swami have the basis of real teaching or currupting to fit his or her needs?

    5. Real transperancy

    6. Ethics and morals regardless of what says in sastras but follow the law of the land

    • jEEVI
      Dont believe Rajiv Malhotra – he has a charitable trust and he immediately came to see nithyananda from USA to haridwar so that he can speak to Nithyanada and take some money from nithyanada account to US account. All these people are total fraud.

  10. Suguna

    Nityananda violated rules of tantric sex: Sri Sri

    New York: Disgraced self-styled godman Swami Nityananda violated the rules of tantra by “using so many people for one’s pleasure”, Art of Living Foundation head Sri Sri Ravi Shankar said Monday.

    A Foundation statement quoted him as saying in Cincinnati in the US that Swami Nityananda, now in custody, “has violated UNAIDS guidelines as well as the rules of tantra.”

    “Only a house holder is entitled for tantric sex. Claiming to be a monk and using so many people for one’s pleasure is unpardonable,” Ravi Shankar said.

    “He should have had one partner and announced himself as a tantric guru. It has caused damage to the faith of people in the institution and traumatised many.”

    http://sify.com/news/nityananda-violated-rules-of-tantric-sex-sri-sri-news-international-ke0vadgjjfd.html

    • Jayeshwara

      Suguna,

      Seems like you are a ravishankar follower!
      He is a jerk masquerading as a spiritual Guru. When great enlightened masters like ‘Mata Amritanandamai’ and ‘Jaggi Vasudev’ have not commented, what is the need for ravishankar to do so. He was unsettled by the steady flow of his devotees to Paramahamsa Nithyananda and his failure to take over U.S ashrams of PN, only agitated him more. Now he is using the media to create doubts in people’s mind. Only half baked people like ravishankar can make such immature statements, that too when an investigation is going on.

      AJ

      • Jayeshwara
        you are right about sri sri ravishankar. But nithy is smart but not that intelligent when it comes to sex and he was caught. Nithy had ego in him and so too all his followers.
        take care

      • Rajesh

        Jayeshwara
        I see here lots of fight taking place between you and CDN,Advaith etc on Nithyananda issue. Instead why not you guys help Nithyananda in coming out of the scandal/jail. I find only true Bhakta and Swamiji rightly named him as Bhaktananda, is all the time with Swamiji, all the rest of you devotees are only working and fighting behind the screen. Argyam,CDN,Jayeshwara, Prabha, Advaith – all of you please work in the same way as Bhaktananda Swami

    • Suguna,
      Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is another money launder. Ask Sri Sri to publish is Balance sheet in all leading newspaper. tons of cash lying with him and he travels in firstclass with car bungalow and he is honestly another joke in meditation. He is also a total dump when they had debate with Dr.Naik Sri Sri Ravi shankar not able to answer question

  11. Kedar

    Unless the Spritual Master comes from a “Lineage”, we should not accept him or her in to this global hindu master business, because it will lead to too much of so called “self experimentation” and leads to too much ego, which will ruin the Hinduism.

  12. Lakshmi

    If the Godman does not have a bonafied Spiritual Master, then the Swami should not be eligible to ” HDAS ” on the basis of self proclaimed Enlightenment.

    This is very important so than that swami can be controlled by a spiritual master.

    In this case Nithyananda had too much ego coming his way to resign. But, a bonafied master, if Nithyananda had one, would have told him to resign rightaway and he would have done.

    • Lakshmi
      Yes Nithyananda had lots of ego. Wants to proove he is greater than god and other gurus. His followers another dump the dubai centre devotee followed him because of nithyanada attraction and they all got trapped. When trapped and to safe guard their face, the devotees and the head of the centre started to abuse nithyananda. If he is let go free because no one can proove, the same devotee in Dubai will start falling at his attraction. I dont know this drama of the devotees MIND.

    • Lakshmi

      Ok let me accept your statement that the dubai spiritual head of Life Bliss centre, SN one of the middle east centre devotees are abusing SN. But I must comment here that when SN was abusing Protestant these devotees were clapping their hands in tune with SN. SO what you understand these devotees got the teachings from SN that one should abuse others. When the scam broke out, these devotees now doing what is being preached to them, that is to abuse, the funy part is they are now abusing the same master SN who they used to praise him and keep his statue at home, chappal, mala, books and pray to them and they also convince other prospective devotee to start LBP and slowly teach them stick healing..I saw a devotee holding a stick in one hand and the other hand touching something less and the stick is put on the head of the patient and they think that they are healing people. What a stupid bunch of idiots, these ex devotees are. Now they are all stuck, more stories to follow soon.

  13. Hal Patel

    Interesting update on a reported chest pain by SN http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=178128

  14. advaith

    Dear Rajivji,

    I didn’t get a chance to read article but have heard and seen your other videos and your interest and passion for Hinduism.

    This is a ripe time for you to step back from all “actions”, introspect and “Live” all that you have so passionately stood for – it is time to “Live” it, not just intellectually discuss it.

    • Jayeshwara

      Advaith,

      If you are Ram a.k.a advaith, this message is for you. Before giving advice to others, follow it yourself. STOP PREACHING AND START LIVING THE TRUTH. You were a ‘Mahacharya’ in Dhyanapeetam and I know what all you preached and never lived upto it. Stop pointing fingers at others, remember 3 are pointing to you!

      AJ

      • Yes I am Ram a.k.a Advaith I preached what is told to me and you remember chaos is the order and order is the choas by SN I told what is truth to Ma Manisa and Pandu and you I know everything.

      • Advaith

        yes ananad jayeshwara
        we know each other well from bangalore. so what is the problem, I been mahaacharya and now I inform all other ashramites, so what. You tell me since you know, what all I preached and never lived up, you dont know nothing.
        Advaith

    • Advaith

      Yes I am Ram a.k.a Advaith I preached what is told to me and you remember chaos is the order and order is the choas by SN I told what is truth to Ma Manisa and Pandu and you I know everything

  15. Sanjeev

    Whatever we are hearing or reading about SN are from other sources i.e media, articles etc. Butwhenever we are directly listening to SN he is always the same flowing, pure and full of knowledge mahatama. people are afraid to listen to him directly as his direct speech influences one and all and people feel totally in control by SN because he is the truth and truth cannot beput aside. But the moment we listen or read from secondary sources we regain our dirty mind and start abusing SN and getting influenced by the forces who are bent upon tarnishing hindu culture. W.r.t. Mr Malhotra he may be very good writer or journalist but one thing is sure he has difinitely not gained anything in presence of SN and I feel pity for him as he may take infinite time again to come back so near to the source.

    • Siva

      What you want Rajivji to get from Nitya? He is not enlightened for sure. Probably he can give his sperm like satya sai, in the name of kundalini shakti. Grow up sanjeev. Trash cannot be holified.

  16. Harpeet

    Mr. Sanjeev, is that so? Now then, lets see.

    Have you heard directly from SN his tales about his experience of first enlightenment? Watch these two video very closely

    Video 1 – forward to 6:10 then listen to rest of the story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QPbNMUnsvw)
    Video 2 – forward to 13:25 then listen to rest of the story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLeVLc07Bpc)

    Seriously, he needs to make up his mind if it was 4-5 hours when he talked to his friend or after few days about his experience and asked him to test. His friend apparently then asks him whats behind his head, an ant.. etc., etc.

    In the second video, a GOD does not know for six months that he is the cosmos? how do you rely on him to run this world without a fraction of second loss in time (inter-related movement of sun, moon, earth, water, air, etc., etc.)?

    • Jayeshwara

      Harpreet,

      Do you think you are Sherlock Holmes ?
      What Swami has explained is his first spiritual experience, not ‘Nirvikalpa Samadhi’ which can never be explained in words. Get your facts right and don’t comment if you poor knowledge/experience about spirituality. You are just exposing your ignorance.

      AJ

      • Harpeet

        Ignorance: willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge which one may acquire and it is his duty to have.

        Jayeshwara, you are telling me that someone who can not differentiate between 4 hours and few days in his story is your master? There is no point in conversing with ignorant idiots like you, who have voluntarily chosen to close your eyes and minds.

      • Harpeet

        When u get a chance to replace the door knob that’s in place of your brain, perhaps you will learn to spell people’s name properly.

        So it hurts you that someone was able to find a lie and post it up win proof about about this crook claiming to be avatar? It hurts so much that instead of explaining to us why the same story of his first experience has been told inconsistently by the very crook who claims to be the truth? You don’t need a psych, perhaps a carpenter can help tighten up some screws.

  17. Harpeet

    Oh.. I pity intellectually blind people such as yourself, not Rajiv Malhotra, who atleast has been brave enough to distance himself from inconsistent messages and call a spade a spade.

    • Jayeshwara

      Harpreet,

      You are again and again showing off your ignorance, not someone else’s and you don’t even realise that 🙂 What a pity? You don’t seem to have an iota of experience on spiritual matters, but seem to wag your tongue incessantly. Go and listen to all his discourses on youtube before commenting. A glass with 50 % water can be seen as half full or half empty. You seem to be on a fault finding mission. Its a very negative attitude in life, not good for you or others. God save you!

      AJ

      • Jayesh
        What you or SN Know that Harpeet dont know. You people dont know what spirituality first of all and then following a guru having bought that guru through money you all think you are spiritually better than others what a stupid idiot

      • Advaith

        Jayeshwara
        Please understand what is Advaita first of all. There can never be two identity in one platform when realization happens. You talk about experience..what you mean by the word experience, the word is not the thing. Experience means to re-cognize. Not coginize. Re-cognize means what, repeatition of the past, that is knowledge, that is known, that is thought, that is movement in time, so the experience is of the past and hence it is old, a dead thing..whereas to be in non duality – the epxerience and the experiencer must die.. what left alone is the PURNAM whole and not I experience Samadhi, who is their to witness a second entity calling himself all the time, I went to samadhai..This is what SN always claim, Oh..I went to Samadhi, Oh I was in deep Samadhi..Who went to samadhi..can anyone knows where the I is dead. In deep sleep you know that you were having deep sleep. you become one with the absolute..that is called SWAPATHI, SUVA means self, Apithi means to get absorbed in the self…Jayeshware for your own find out who you are, and to do this you must find who you are not…Your true Guru or true religion is your inner GURU, the outer guru is to be dropped, because you alone have to take the journey, NO GURU NO SAVIOUR NO GOD going to come..You said about SUN light…that SN is like sunlight, I am also the same sunlight, but I must negate first the SUN LIGHT to know the light within me.
        Take care
        Garnier

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  19. Jayeshwara

    Rajiv,

    I really appreciate your concern for Hinduism and lack of unity when it comes to addressing scandals. It is a subject of hot debate, but without any solutions. As soon as somebody talks about Hinduism, they are branded as RSS agents. The stark truth in India is that Hindus are scared to talk openly about Hinduism or defend other Hindus. They need to talk highly about other religions and criticize their own rituals and religious practices to be called ‘secular’. They seem to be happy with this tag. The christians and Muslims seem to be united as comapred to Hindus. Coming back to SN scandal…

    1. Some felt that SN should go away for at least five years and leave his institution in the hands of another sadhu who he would select. This would bring continuity to the lives of the hundreds of young men and women who did nothing wrong, but who stand to lose a lot having left everything and joined as ashramites or as other full-time disciples.

    – Rajiv, there won’t be any ashramite left if SN were to remain in seclusion for 5 yrs. I have been associated with the ashram for many years and interacted with the folks to vouch for this. He is the ‘sun’ shedding the darkness. If you take away the source of light, what remains is a void of darkness. These people are not seeking continuity as you have mentioned. Seems like you have not spoken to them much.

    2. Those whose closeness was based on having had experiences (in meditation or healing) had something to take away; hence their relationship with SN had not been a total loss. Such persons did not turn hostile even after they left him. Many of them continue the meditations and plan to do so – they can separate the techniques he taught from the rest of him.

    – Rajiv, how can you separate the technique from the rest of him. Can you separate ‘Bhagwad Gita’ from Krishna? Can you separate Buddha’s/Mahavira’s teaching from the personality. They are inseparable.

    3. Why did he not show up and answer questions as a free man, rather than being arrested for not showing up and then having to answer questions?

    Do you think that the law and media are people friendly in India? There was a serious threat to his life. Didn’t you see what happened when he came out of the airport? There were some unruly elements trying to get hold of him inspite of the security cordon. I myself had witnessed this !
    I feel he did the right thing by staying away, till the media attention withered. IPLGATE was the talk of the town.

    4. Also, why did he persistently approach the man accusing him and try to negotiate a settlement, even though he was being taped all along? Why did he disappear from the scene rather than address his followers when the scandal broke?

    There is no proof about him approaching Lenin. It is hearsay, otherwise it would be out in the media by now like the NDA or whatever. Didn’t this point cross your mind Rajiv?
    He had to disappear bcos there were some vested interests out to harm him. What happened to your christian conspiracy theory (Rs. 200 crores being spent to defame top Indian Gurus)? Please investigate this angle and do share with us.

    5. I found him confused, not the crystal clear teacher he had been earlier.

    Looks like you didn’t see all his videos on youtube, post scandal. He is still crystal clear !!
    He may appear to be confused. It is just your perception and it could be wrong! With all the media attacking him with malicious intent it is difficult to arrive at a conclusion quickly. Also, this scandal has political and religious overtones. He weighed his options and didn’t ‘RUN AWAY’ or take decisions in haste!

    I am someone who has been with various Gurus for the past 20 years and finally met ‘The REAL SADHGURU’ in Paramahamsa Nithyananda. He has brought about a great transformation in me which others could not. I lead my life with much more clarity and ease than ever before and that is what matters to me!

    • Jeevi

      Jayeshwara, your GOD needs to hide from the world to protect himself? You are looking for this GOD of yours to protect you from all ills? Your clarity because of this GOD is that you block out all rational conversations, donate everything own and single mindedly support all his actions? Good for you.

      • Incognito

        Jayeshasura‘s dog in wheel chair. – http://nithyananda-cult.blogspot.com/2010/04/fraud-god-nithyananda-busted-with-over.html

        32 crore, his bank balance, is pricey. But then dogs nowadays are.
        Earlier they used to pay rich dividends. All those Khiljis, Aurangazebs, Francis Xaviers and Teresas (the late witch of Calcutta) minted money using their dogs.

        Nowadays even Pushkar Sunandananda gets 70 crore for sweating Shashi Twitoor, with or without doggy.

        But all to no use, ultimately everything goes back to where it came from, the original source of it all- the Government of the crooks by the crooks and for the crooks, run by the most obedient doggy of all, the blue turbaned ‘Man’.

        • Jayeshwara

          incognito seems to have lost his ‘cognitive faculty’ 🙂 He makes a personal attack and then uses some link (nithyananda cult or whatever) which is nothing but a bunch of hate theories and negativity by some disgruntled elements. Rs. 32 crores is a very small amount for an international spiritual organization that has numerous brnaches worldwide. Is it possible to run a international organization without money? People without basic common sense are running around making stupid comments about Rs. 32 crores being found in the bank account. What’s wrong with that? The taxes have also been paid promptly. What about the free food, medical camps conducted every week in Bidadi? Free food was served in all the ashram branches including Thiruvannamalai, where thousands come. Free education for poor children in Bidadi and employment for their parents in the ashram. Paramahamsa Nithyananda was doing what the Govt. failed to do. All this requires money and we devotees whole heartedly gave the money. We were truly transformed by Swami’s teaching and meditation techniques. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, so stop making casual comments. Go see all the videos on http://www.youtube.com/user/LifeBlissFoundation before pointing fingers. I challenge anyone to come up with a 10 min video on any topic that Swami has spoken till date. If your discouse is better than Swami’s, I’ll fall at your feet and take your blessings. You should be ready for Q&A, mind you, bcos that is where your true colours will be exposed. Until then stop wagging your tail !

          • Incognito

            Jayshasura’s delusion knows no bounds, he calls that racket ” international spiritual organization “. Poor ND Tiwari missed out on that one. He could have still been the guv’nor trying to teach tantra to young girls. Ofcourse, only after they sign ND agreements using ND’s pens . ;P

            free food ? the govt too gives that in schools. very effective. Every child is today wise and healthy. ask ND tv.

            their NREGA is also great. every indian is today employed and APL, i.e., above poverty level, not Apna Paisa League. ask ND tv.

            free education ? that too govt provides. ask ND tv.

            Indians have been therefore transformed into wise healthy individuals, one and all, just like Jayshasura was “truly transformed by Swami’s teaching and meditation techniques.”
            ask ND tv and Jayshasura.

            Go see all the videos on ND tv website if you want to become ethically, morally, intellectually, barren like Jayshasura.

            After that if you can make a 10 min video, Jayshasura will fall at your feet, wag his tail and make you his SlumGod-$7.1-Millionnaire.
            Then you will get to sit in wheel chairs pretending to be ill while the police questions you.

          • Incognito & Jayeshwara
            I think Jayesh is staunch follower of Nithyananda. May be he might have done inner and outer awakening. Jayesh feels that the sum of 32 crore is small compared to other fraud organisation like Sri Sri Ravishankar, Mel Maruvathur, RamDev Baba, Saibaba etc. But why compare, and make fraud measurable big fraud small fraud, good fraud, bad fraud, FRAUD IS FRAUD. I am fraud in business but I am clean at home. What a stupid thinking Jayesh. Like you many have fallen to Nithyananda and wants to follow him to any extend, and having fallen they start abusing him left and right. Here I will give 7 point out of 10 to Jayesh still having his faith in Nithyananda. Whereas in Dubai centre all the devotee including the head have started abusing left and right, prior to the event all were in total praise oh he is shiva he is walking above the floor, he heals people, he is great master, and suddenly joining the herd and abusing. Who ask you to follow nithyananda, who ask you to spend money on inner or outer awakaening.Then keep blaming swamji, this is utter non sense. If you see the danger, just stop it. You followers are so greedy some guru says, I have seen the truth, I know the truth, you all follow me and I will give it to you…What you know guru, you dont know nothing guru, whatever is known is known through your MIND and what is unknown can never be given to anyone. So fools rush in where even angels fear to tread. take care
            Incognito, leave jayesh alone. He is hurt.

            • Jayeshwara

              Advaith,

              I would like to reply to you “bottom up” !

              First of all, I am not hurt. Why should I be and what for?

              What Dubai does is of no concern to me. I go my experience and I know it is true. Come on Advaith, you are not a novice at spiritual matters. You are on record saying that you have been into spirituality for more than 30 year before meeting Swami. I have been in the field for 20 years and expeimented with many techniques. I must honestly say that there was nothing like the experience Swami gave. It has transformed me for sure and I am crystal clear about it !

              Rs. 32 crores is peanuts Advaith. What is fraudulent about it? Do you think anybody can run an international organization without money. You are a businessman. You ought to know this. Swami has paid the taxes regualrly and it is not black money. Advaith, I feel that we should discuss offline. No point discussing on this forum where there is no spiritual touch whatsoever !

              ananda.jayeshwara@gmail.com

              • Advaith

                Jayeshwara
                I am against swami and informed bandu and manisha and they have also left and many on the pipeline. Swamiji ill treated me on many occassion and gave more attention to Ayya, Shiv,Gnana,Prana,Bhakta, may be because I was Iyer.

                • Jayeshwara

                  Come on Advaith ! You are no kid !! There were many Iyers & Iyengars who were close to Swami. Why is it that it took a scandal for you to come out with all these insecurities? Think about it. I seriously feel you need a vacation Advaith ! Come out with specific incidents when you were “ill treated”. Again, I would like to emphasize that it would be better to dicuss these things by mail.

                  ananda.jayeshwara@gmail.com

                  • Advaith

                    AJ
                    You know how much SN misbehaved with Ran and Gop, You also know all these well why support what is that you are going to get out of it.

                    • Jayeshwara

                      Advaith,

                      From the video it seemed like he was passive and R is all over him. It seemed a bit odd and the clothes are always on! There is no evidence of G in compromising positions. She is giving him some medicine from a distance. Do you have evidence to the contrary? If so, I’d like to see it.

                  • Advaith

                    Jayesh
                    I sent you mail to discuss offline and you never replied why? You are hurt is that correct.

              • Advaith

                Jayesh
                I know you are not concerned about life bliss centre, you are the one sent me all details of whats happening in other centres of the world who left and why they left.

          • Incognito & Jayeshwara
            I think Jayesh is staunch follower of Nithyananda. May be he might have done inner and outer awakening. Jayesh feels that the sum of 32 crore is small compared to other fraud organisation like Sri Sri Ravishankar, Mel Maruvathur, RamDev Baba, Saibaba etc. But why compare, and make fraud measurable big fraud small fraud, good fraud, bad fraud, FRAUD IS FRAUD. I am fraud in business but I am clean at home. What a stupid thinking Jayesh. Like you many have fallen to Nithyananda and wants to follow him to any extend, and having fallen they start abusing him left and right. Here I will give 7 point out of 10 to Jayesh still having his faith in Nithyananda. Whereas in Dubai centre all the devotee including the head have started abusing left and right, prior to the event all were in total praise oh he is shiva he is walking above the floor, he heals people, he is great master, and suddenly joining the herd and abusing. Who ask you to follow nithyananda, who ask you to spend money on inner or outer awakaening.Then keep blaming swamji, this is utter non sense. If you see the danger, just stop it. You followers are so greedy some guru says, I have seen the truth, I know the truth, you all follow me and I will give it to you…What you know guru, you dont know nothing guru, whatever is known is known through your MIND and what is unknown can never be given to anyone. So fools rush in where even angels fear to tread. take care

          • Jayeshwara
            You better get out of this cult soon otherwise you will be lost in the jungle of ignorance. I have moved with SN and know about him. He is abusive to all.

      • Jayesh

        Jeevi
        I have strong faith in SN and the whole thing will be a scandal and I am Advaith will also join back in SN faith.

    • Jayeshwara
      1) All the media attacking SN – yes agree but what is the matter with the ex ashramite, devotee i have the fulllist of ashramit and devotee attacking SN. These devotee or the ashramite been following SN for more than 5 years and now they keep abusing. What they have learned from the post called ashramite or devotee, nothing. If they have learned something from SN teachings they would or will never abuse. Abusing kills the Abuser and not the Abused. Keep in mind.
      2) I have personally experienced SN abusing left and right all devotees including me.. why would an enlightened master SN will have such abusing quality. Instead of LOVE he is abusing WHY. dont use the word TO KILL EGO…this is non sense, the whole enlightenment drama is LOVE prema, show to all manifested and unmanifested. Take a programme, practically..call 100 people and you abuse 50 and show love to 50…you will see the result..
      3) You followed and chased many guru, why because you are always looking for something or to receive something, you can never get anything, be clear you are already THAT.
      Wake up son. Freedom is Here and NOW.

      • Jayeshwara

        Advaith,

        I agree with your first point about abusing the master. If anybody has stuck around for years without experiencing anything, something is terribly wrong with them. They should have got out of the place long ago. Either they are bigtime fools or were too lazy to venture back into the world or perhaps crazy 🙂

        Swami didn’t print an invitation to all the disgruntled souls. They were drawn to him. Is it his mistake? You say that he was abusive. Many masters have been so. I am sure you would have read about ZEN masters. Why do you forget that he has been very compassionate? Too much compassion also keeps us in the comfort zone and hinders our growth. Using the ZEN stick works wonders !

        Advaith, I understand your concern for me, but if I ignore all the transformation that has happened to me and drop out, I will only be cheating myself and I don’t intend to do that. Everybody needs to be given a chance. Let Swami come back and explain.

        As I said earlier, lets discuss offline. You are a senior and I respect your views, but we are better off discussing on mail rather than here.

        ananda.jayeshwara@gmail.com

    • Advaith

      Jayeshwara!
      You saw the HINDU news the other day.
      Now the revenue department is going to investigate the entire funds coming into Dhyanpeetam account. The donor from abroad and donor from India will be questioned by the revenue department. So you better warn your friends.

      Quote:
      The Criminal Investigation Department (CID) has summoned Tamil actor Ranjitha to appear before its investigating officials to give her statements pertaining to the alleged sex scandal involving her and Swami Nithyananda of Nithyananda Dhyanapeetam of Bidadi.

      A notice was issued to the actor through her advocate on Monday and CID officials are anticipating her reply, Deputy Inspector-General of Police (CID) K.S.R. Charan Reddy told the presspersons here on Tuesday.

      Her advocate had sought a copy of the first information report of the case, which had been duly sent along with the notice, Mr. Reddy said.

      Meanwhile, the CID received an interim report from forensic experts on the CDs pertaining to the scandal. Around 30 items, including CDs and hard discs, were sent for analysis. The CID will get expert opinion on all the 30 by the next three weeks, he said.

      The CID has submitted reports to the Union government pertaining to the godman’s financial activities and the departments concerned may initiate action.

      However Mr. Reddy ducked most questions saying “investigation is under progress”. Nithyananda is unlikely to be interrogated again in connection with the case, he said.

      Meanwhile another officer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Hindu: “At least 15 persons, including a few women, had contacted the CID officials and orally complained against the swami.” A few women alleged sexual abuse while a man, suffering from medical problems, alleged the swami swindled him of Rs. 50,000 after promising to cure him.

      When several sessions at the ashram did not cure him, he alleged, Nithyananda asked him to get himself admitted in hospital.
      Unquote
      Jayesh – you have some say in this matter

  20. Incognito

    The article reveals the unedifying sight of a person turning into an untouchable.
    More here- http://incognitocomments.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/untouchables/

  21. Some good flashes of Mgmt wisdom from Rajiv.

    But, he fails to note that it is this “robustness”, “invincibility” and “governance” that has made the Christian Church so arrogant, power mongering and morally degraded and creates a climate where the bishops, cardinals and their “leaders” can indulge in any kind of scandals and get away with it!

    Hindu saints and their organizations grew and thrived by their moral authority in the past.. and not by any “governance”, per se.

    I do agree that some level of good governance is needed – but it should not become all-important or all-controlling.

    An organization should be like a picture frame, strong enough to hold the picture, but not so imposing to engulf the beauty of the picture itself.

  22. krishnadas

    One point , all must remember is that Christianity came before Islam and it took Emperor Constantine to spread Christianity . This is where the sword came into force. Otherwise till that time it was almost very pundit like. Similarly , Islam also came to all places with the kings and rulers. Another redeeming feature is that the priestly class in Santan Dharma did go en masses with the rulers ( the Kshatriyas) for fear of crossing the oceans could disqualify them. In case of the religions mentioned above , there was no such restrictions . It was all rolled together , the priests , the rulers, the traders. Labor of course was from the local people. So in that case right from the start it was insourcing instead of outsourcing which took place for these two religions.

    • JGN

      krishnadas, you are right. Christians were considered a rogue group till Emperor Constantine accepted the same as State Religion and encouraged sprading the same, by means fair or foul. Islam was spread by sword from day one. Even during the life time fo Prophet Mohammed, those who refused to accept his religion was mercilessly killed. Pl download and read “The Necessity of Atheism” by Dr. D.M. Brooks, freely available at Project Gutenberg to know more about the “NOBLE” works done in the name of Religions, especially Christianity and Islam, the world over.

  23. Prabha

    I think it will be a good idea if all you people who are not into Swamiji Paramahamsa Nithyananda buzz off and watch T20. After all, what does it matter to you any way. And Rajiv, you are talking about the downfall of SN, just wait and watch buddy, you will eventually be surprised.

    • Advaith

      atma prabha
      There is nothing to be surprised. The Journey to truth is alone and no SN or PN can showyou. Find yourself..TRUTH is a pathless land, ALL GURU is path based journey, and you will stumble often..and cant get up.

      • Prabha

        Great, since you did not have this wisdom for at least 6 years, and how sure can you be of this?!

        • JGN

          Prabha, these guys are bluff masters. Most of the peddlers of faith (irrespective of Religion) are experts in fooling ladies and exploiting them to the fullest extent possible (you know what I mean)!!

          • Prabha

            SN did not put a gun against anyone’s head and compel them to attend his programs or be in his organization. These guys mostly fulfilled their own ego all this while. There are 700+ videos of SN on YouTube for anyone that’s interested in knowing about all dimensions of spirituality but not interested in attending programs or being with the master. No other spiritual guru has so much content available for free anywhere.

            • Raghuveer

              Obviously you have not undertaken business transaction, a buyer vs seller contract. No one puts a gun to anyone’s head in that scenario, else that would extortion. However, a transaction carried forward in good faith requires that both parties act with integrity.

              Now, if the transaction was based on half truths and lies (in this case: Date of Birth, Pravarjika (9 yrs / 7 yrs / 6 yrs) while he was at the Ramakrishna mutt, lies about the first enlightenment experience as highlighted by one of the commenter earlier, import / export transaction via benami company and the list goes on, it is not considered a transaction carried out with integrity. Most sane countries in the world have laws against such malice.

            • Advaith

              Prabha
              Any Devotee who measures between Gurus is sickening. In Advaita there is no measurement or measured. Advaita is immeasurable.

            • JGN

              Prabha, I did not blame SN or any other “guru” for that matter. Pl read my message below where I have very clearly written: ” Instead of blaming such dubious “gurus” the blame should squarely rest on the shoulders of the gullible believers who flock to them and in turn get cheated”.

      • JGN

        Advaith, you are just repeating what Juddu krishnamurti had written in his b0ook “Freedom from the Known”. At least have the decency to name the author when you quote some one.

        • Advaith

          JGN,
          JK and Myself work together and have taken journey together. So the word is not the thing for us. Taking journey together there is no author or authority.

          • JGN

            Advaith, are you again bluffing or was it a typo error? JK passed away on 17 February 1986. Then how could both of your “work together”?? What is your age?

            • Advaith

              JGN
              I am now 59 that is 2009 minus 59 = 1950. JK 1986 minus 1950 = 36.
              36 minus my school college 22 = 14 years. RishiValley school plus 7 years wandering with JK together.

              • JGN

                Advaith, your reply seems to be a carefully crafted “after-thought”. You have not replied to my other message below. Posting same again as a new message. Pl reply.

    • Raghuveer

      It does matter to us, since many of us feel cheated, morally and emotionally drained after working really long hours and taking the abuse that was dished out. We paid 10% of our incomes to this man, who in the name of religion has accumulated wealth into his own account, not even his organizations account.

      Unless you have a cut, I am sure you may feel if not now, later that the money that could have been invested in real-estate or other assets that may have yielded returns has been swindled away by this cunning con man.

    • Raghuveer

      What gives him the right? Now he needs to bear the consequences and be shown the right place for his acts, if there is justice in this world.

  24. JGN

    The debates between some chelas of Nityanand and his opponents are really interesting. The peddlers of faith, irrespective of Religion are number one frauds. They are living a lavish life by fooling the gullible believers, without doing any productive work worth even a single dollar.

    I had seen the interview of SN on Times Now a few weeks back and by any stretch of imagination he cannot be termed a spiritual guru. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is another fraud. His “Art of Living” is nothing but “Art of Coning”! Dr.Zakir Naik was trying to justify one absurdity with another absurdity. He cannot stand the scrutiny of a Rationalist even for five minutes. Still he claims that he has defeated Sri Sri in debate!!!! Instead of blaming such dubious “gurus” the blame should squarely rest on the shoulders of the gullible believers who flock to them and in turn get cheated.

    Hinduism is not a Religion in its narrow sense. It is a conglomeration of various beliefs and even non-belief (Atheism). There are no similarities between the beliefs of a Tambram (Tamil Brahmin) and the Adivasis of Idukki or Wayanad or from South to North or East to West! Hindus are fiercely independent by their very nature. They have always refused to accept the dictates of some high-priests/gurus. Of late, there have been some efforts to organize the Hindus also on the lines of the intolerant West Asian Religions but that has not seen any tangible results in India. Hinduism will survive the test of time as it is dyamic enough to change with the time. Change with the time or time will change you. That is the rule of Nature.

    Basically all human beings are selfish. Every action of a human being is aimed at the pursuit of his/her own pleasure. This is the basic principle of Psychology.

    Pl read “Freedom from the Known” by Jiddu Krishnamurti. All books written by JK are freely available from the web. To my knowledge he was the only person who did not collect any Royalty for his books.

    The Emblem of our University was “Nirmaya Karmana Sree”, which roughly translates into “we create wealth with our own efforts”. Is there any better advice any “guru” can give us?

    • Advaith

      JGN,
      Understand this simple truth,
      As body, you are in space. As mind, you are in time. But are you a mere body with a mind in it? Have you ever investigated?

    • Advaith

      JGN,
      Its not advice, no one can advice, but we both can take journey together………
      Just Meditate on the TRUTH as below;;;;;;;

      1) When the mind is kept away from its preoccupation, it becomes quiet.

      2)Time is in the mind, space is in the mind. The law of cause and effect is also a way of thinking. In reality all is here and now and all is one. Multiplicity and diversity are in the mind only.

      3)The mind craves for formulations and definitions, always eager to squeeze reality into a verbal shape.

      4)A quiet mind is all you need. All else will happen rightly, once your mind is quiet. As the sun on rising makes the world active, so does self-awareness affect changes in the mind. In the light of calm and steady self-awareness inner energies wake up and work miracles without effort on your part.

      5)The mind covers up reality, without knowing it. To know the nature of the mind, you need intelligence, the capacity to look at the mind in silent and dispassionate awareness.

      6)Awareness is ever there. It need not be realized. Open the shutter of the mind, and it will be flooded with light.

      7)There is nothing to practise. To know yourself, be yourself. To be yourself, stop imagining yourself to be this or that. Just be. Let your true nature emerge. Don’t disturb your mind with seeking.

      8)Look at your mind dispassionately; this is enough to calm it. When it is quiet, you can go beyond it. Do not keep it busy all the time. Stop it – and just be. If you give it a rest, it will settle down and recover its purity and strength. Constant thinking makes it decay.

      9)The unchangeable can only be realised in silence. Once realised, it will deeply affect the changeable, itself remaining unaffected.

      10)This attitude of silent observation is the very foundation of yoga. You see the picture, but you are not the picture.

      11)To locate a thing you need space, to place an event you need time; but the timeless and spaceless defies handling. It makes everything perceivable, yet itself is beyond perception. The mind cannot know what is beyond the mind, but the mind is known by what is beyond it.

      12) You are not in the body, the body is in you! The mind is in you. They happen to you. They are there because you find them interesting.

      13) Put your awareness to work, not your mind. The mind is not the right instrument for this task. The timeless can be reached only by the timeless. Your body and your mind are born subject to time; only awareness is timeless, even in the now.

      14)To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. I am never out of it. Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity.

      • JGN

        Advaith, Did you go through the other three stages of life? According to Hindu philosophy, the life span is divided into four ashrams. These are Brahmacharya, Grahasta, Vanaprastha and Sanyasa. The Vedas define a specific purpose for each ashram.

        In the final stage i.e. Sanyasa or renunciation, the person leaves society to spend the remaining part of his or her life in meditation and the contemplation of God in solitude. Neither you nor the dubious “gurus” we see around us seems to have gone through these stages properly and as such end up in indulging in all kinds of illegal activities!!!

    • Prabha

      Has a single person been enlightened reading JK? (Just wondering, not that I disrespect him in any way)

      • JGN

        Prabha, what do you mean by “enlightenment”? Are you an enlightened soul?

        To my knowledge only Gautama the Buddha got enlighenment and even he could only raise “questions”. He never gave us satisfactory answers for the questions raised by him!!!!

        • Argyam

          JGN,

          Do a self check before questioning another’s enlightenment. Every TOM, DICK and Harry has started to talk about enlightenment without knowing anything about it! So, you will give your stamp of approval only if all your worthless questions are answered is it? All questions are not worth answering. Buddha maintained a noble silence for certain questions. It is bcos the person asking the question would not have understood it anyway ! Enlightenment is your birth right. All you need is intense seeking. You too can become a Buddha.

          • JGN

            Argyam, I have no intention to become a Buddha. In a narrow sense Buddha himself was an “escapist”. He escaped in the middle of night leving his wife and child, in pursuit of his own pleasure!!!

            I persue a very worldly life and enjoy the same to the extent possible, without harming any one or having ill-feeling towards others.

            The way some of the “enlightened souls” are complaining like small school boys about the ill-treatment of SN, etc on this very discussion board makes it abundantly clear that they have not learnt anything despite spending many years with some dubious “gurus” nor those gurus have been effective in instilling any sense fair play in them. So I am better off without the kind of “enlightenment” you are talking about.

            • Argyam

              JGN,

              Would Gautama have become ‘BUDDHA’ if he was clinging to his wife’s pallu? Buddha was an innerworld scientist. He experimented with various techniques and finally gave ‘Vipassana’ to the world. It needs extraordinary guts, determination and above all compassion to leave the luxury of the palace and an extremely beautiful wife and a small kid to go out as an ascetic in search of ‘TRUTH’. People living ordinary lives and saying that they are happy are the real escapists. Eat, work, have sex and sleep – Even animals do that. What’s great about that? Life is a gift and the purpose of life is self-realization. Most people are oblivious to this fact and lead a mundane life. Btw, don’t go by what others think of SN. Every master had to deal with such people and don’t jump to conclusions about Gurus being dubious. You have not even ventured into this realm, so it may be better not to pass loose comments. If you are really happy the way you are, good for you.

              • JGN

                Argyam, I have great respect for Gautama the Buddha and also for his teachings. That’s why I qualified my comments with the words “in a narrow sense………”. The teachings of Buddha, Panchsheel and eight-fold path, are much more refined the principles of any other religion. That does not take away my right to express my opinion about the dubious gurus!

                A true Sanyasi has no desire for material possessions including cars, bunglows, bank balance, etc. How many such sanyasis can we see around today? Why these dubious gurus are hell bent on amassing wealth by means fair or foul? SN had collected nearly Rs. 20 crores during a prgram at his Mangalore Ashram a few weeks back!!!

                • Argyam

                  JGN,

                  It is unfair to pass comments on someone based on media reports. Most of the media is controlled by foreign agencies.
                  Check this out….

                  Btw, why is that a sanyasi cannot move around in cars? Do you expect him to walk from one state to another or swim across the ocean from one country to another? Come on dude, get practical. If you think you can make Rs. 20 crores from a program in Mangalore or wherever you are day dreaming! First of all there has been no program by Swami in Mangalore. Please don’t go by media reports. It is all crap. Instead go and visit http://www.youtube.com/user/LifeBlissFoundation and listen to the discourses. If you think it can be delivered by an ordinary mortal, you still have a long way to go. Thousands of people have been fed free in Thiruvannamalai ashram and other ashrams worldwide. Free medical camps in Bidadi, free education for poor children and their families at ashram. Govt. is not doing enough to curb child labour which parents from BPL families are indulging in. They can’t provide for their children. Dhyanapeetam takes care of all these expenses (parents’ and children). Where would the money for all this come from? There are many ashramites who have given up high paying jobs and have come to live a simple life in the ashram to serve humanity. It takes a lot of courage to do that! To summarise, SN’s monthly expense (apart from the 2 meals he takes per day) is only Rs.97. Ashram has records for that. He lived in a small kutir and had great plans for humanity. The christian missionaries work was hampered at many places courtesy, SN. They all got together and used the media to defame a Swami. And guess what, all this was foretold by Swami couple of years back. Many great saints have undergone the ordeal of going to court etc. (Vallalar, Ramana Maharishi, Mata Amritanandamayi etc.). So, lets not frame somebody by our own limited perceptions.

      • Advaith

        Prabha
        It is useless to argue on the basis of what parivarajaka SN did or what 360 degree vision he had. Why would someone wants to believe SN words. Was there any factual evidence like the video camera with Ranjitha. So let us not accept what he did or what he had vision and all. Let us enter in t0 the fact which is self evident. (1) Video Cam tapes (2) Abusing everyone at the ashramite (3) Abusing the devotees . The fun part is that SN considered as Masters of the present Millenia who use to abuse the ashramite, devotee and also those not involved at all including abusing other religion protestant etc. and these devotees were laughing alongwith SN when SN use to abuse and these devotees also clap when SN gave speech. No one had the courage or guts to say at that time, Hey Swamiji (SN) why are you abusing something that is non existent in the discourse of englightement..Where is the need or necessity to do that…These devotees are moron and the funny part of it is that these devotees and ashramite after the scam, also started abusing and adding more masala to abuse. Guess what, the Master has taught these devotees how to abuse in the discourse that SN use to give at the various Yathra..and now the same devotees are using this abuse at SN…So what one can understand from this relationship between a Master and Disciple..? What you sow that you will reap.? There are strong devotee, who say no I have benefited and I will follow him..these devotees or ashramites are self centered, they are only concerned about themselves because they are broken up and self centered personality and they dont think as PURNAM or WHOLE or HOLY..I have benefited from SN teachings and let others go to hell…I am a separate entity in the cosmos and others are non existent.
        Pity…

      • Rajesh

        Atma Prabha,
        I see here lots of fight taking place between you and CDN,Advaith etc on Nithyananda issue. Instead why not you guys help Nithyananda in coming out of the scandal/jail. I find only true Bhakta and Swamiji rightly named him as Bhaktananda, is all the time with Swamiji, all the rest of you devotees are only working and fighting behind the screen. Argyam,CDN,Jayeshwara, Prabha, Advaith – all of you please work in the same way as Bhaktananda Swami

    • Incognito

      ‘Basically all human beings are selfish. Every action of a human being is aimed at the pursuit of his/her own pleasure. This is the basic principle of Psychology.

      The basic principle, as given out by Lord God Dawkins, is it, devotee JGN ?

      Have you questioned that Dawkinian or Darwinian dogma, devotee JGN ?

      Ever wondered why Indians tell the story of Raja Shibi, and Harischandra and Sri Rama, and Kannappa and a thousand other such stories and bhagavad gita that are all so against this “basic principle of Psychology”, devotee of Dawkins ?

      Ever wondered, why some Indians say ‘aham brahmasmi‘, devotee JGN ?

      namaste

      • JGN

        Incognito, such books/stories contain some universal truth and good morals. Nothing more than that.

        Some Scholars believe that “Gita” was a later day addition to Mahabharata, probably written during the time of Adi Shankara, to wake up the lazy Kings of India who were fighting with each other for trivial mattars, when the Chritians were out to conquer the whole world, armed with “Papal Bull” and modern weapons and Muslims set out to conquer the world with their Swords!

      • Argyam

        incognito,

        you seem to be a ‘pleasure seeking’ person!
        Actually, you can’t think beyond, bcos physical pleasure seems to be the only reality to you. Are you a pshycologist? Didn’t you know that ‘Dale Carnegie’ commited suicide? He couldn’t live what he preached to the world. These guys who teach ‘positive thinking’ and all that know deep down that is like trying to straighten a dog’s tail. It just doesn’t work.
        It is like that story about ‘not thinking about a monkey’. Got it ? Guess what, all the countries which have been mesmerized by “+ve” thinkers have a very high depression rate, suicide rate and crime rate. Compare that with the statistics in India. It is these stories of Rama, Krishna which has kept on the path of Dharma and hence low crime rate etc. Add some sensitivity to your life !

  25. Bharat

    @JGN
    “Some Scholars believe that “Gita” was a later day addition to Mahabharata, probably written during the time of Adi Shankara, to wake up the lazy Kings of India who were fighting with each other for trivial mattars”

    Trivial as it seems, Can you please name these ‘scholars’??

    Regards
    Bharat

  26. Bharat

    @JGN
    I do that to check the ‘accuracy’ of their ‘beliefs’.

  27. JGN

    udara-nimittam bahu-krita vesham (For the sake of the stomach, many disguises are assumed) …… Kunchan Nambiar!!!

  28. JGN

    @ Argyam, what have you to day about the following report?

    Quote:

    BANGALORE: “I’m not a man. There’s no way I could have indulged in sexual activities with women. Do a potency test on me”. That’s the sum and substance of Swami Nityananda’s startling statements to CID sleuths soon after he was brought to Bangalore after being arrested in Himachal Pradesh.

    However, CID sleuths decided to ignore him, believing he was only trying to sidetrack the investigation. The swami’s passport clearly mentions his gender as male, not transgender. The CID plans to take a call on this after receiving the report of the Forensic Science Laboratory, Hyderabad, on a CD that has 36 video clips of Nityananda with at least five different women. The CID had sent the CD to Hyderabad for analysis and hopes to get the report on Friday, sources said.

    The Directorate of Revenue Intelligence (DRI) issued a circular to all airports to check items carried by the godman when he travelled in and out of India. According to information collected by DRI, Nityananda would carry gold-plated worship material like kamandalas and slippers to the US.

    While returning, he would bring back 24-carat gold of the same size and weight. The look-out notice mentions his gender as male, sources said.

    WHERE IS NITYA GOPIKA?

    CID sleuths are also searching for Nityananda’s associate called Nitya Gopika, who hasn’t been seen after the salacious videos were aired by the media. Nitya Gopika was his close associate and always travelled with him to the US and handled his personal belongings.

    Sleuths haven’t been able to establish her identity. They suspect she was one of the girls who signed Nityananda’s non-disclosure clause. Sleuths suspect Nitya Gopika initiated the video recording after she began to feel insecure when Tamil actress Ranjitha become rather close to the godman. She used his driver Kuruppan Lenin to expose Nityananda’s activities, the sources said.

    The sources also suspect that Nitya Gopika is an NRI with a doctorate from the US. After coming to the ashram and signing the non-disclosure agreement, she divorced her husband.

    Unquote

    He SN a male/female/transgender?

    • Ramesh

      JGN
      Its not only Nithya Gopika, there were other bunch of girls who signed the non disclosure agreement. They are also based on USA Oaklahoma, LA, Seattle. They are also involved with SN during the maha yathra.

    • Raghuveer

      While you are at it and skillfully dodge all ‘factual’ questions, Argyam, let’s see if you can answer the most basic questions about Nithyananda:

      1. What is exact date of birth, one listed on his passport or the one he says or the one his brother says?

      2. Why is there a discrepancy in his first enlightenment experience, was it 4 hours when he talked to his friend or few days after enlightenment?

      3. How long was his pravarjika (70,000 mile wanderings), 9 years or 6 years and from which year to which year?

      4. Did he attend the Ramakrishna mutt, if so which year to which year?

      I think others would ask a lot more, but let’s just stick to the basics first. let’s see if you or other devotee can answer these with the “Clarity” you have attained.

      • Argyam

        Raghuveer,

        What will you do with the statistics? It is in no way going to help you. Anyway, the foll. link will give you some info.

        You don’t judge a book by it’s cover, do you?
        Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/LifeBlissFoundation and check out the content not statistical faults. We normally, eat the banana fruit and throw the skin. Btw, what is your choice?

        • Disgusted Human

          The facts validate the source. But what’s the point in asking. It is like asking a blind man to lead the way in broad day light to cross a crowded high-way when one can see through their own eyes.

        • Disgusted Human

          asking you, I mean.

        • Raghuveer

          Argyam, you made me throw up. What kind of human are you? Guru can only be based on sathya not lies. You are among the sickest I have seen.

          • Argyam

            Oh really! So you will call Krishna the big daddy of liars bcos he made others lie. Hey, change your attitude. Stop finding faults in others, instead see what good you can imbibe from them.

            Superficial duds always see a black spot on a vast white canvas. Goverened by the ‘engram’ of limited perception! Hard luck.

        • Advaith

          Argyam
          Are you still in Dubai and following SN meditation. SN is not our Guru

          • Argyam

            Oh, so are you communicating with JK nowadays? I guess not, bcos he would shoo you away for having turned against ‘your sadhguru’. Advaith’s faith was overshadowed by his EGO. Poor old man! He got annoyed bcos he was not let into meetings, he was scolded and what not. The same guy used to talk about ‘ZEN STICK’ and all that once upon a time. Doesn’t even realize that he didn’t allow it to work on his EGO !
            Advaith, if you had lost your EGO it was only good for you, but you misconstrued it for abuse and whatever !

        • Sangutan

          The analogy that is more apt is: would you trust a book on virtues of truth written by a pathological liar?

          Argyam, well done. Your answer is a clear proof of the standard ‘cult’ tactics practiced by dubious organizations around the world.

          1. Always divert intelligent questions as irrelevant.

          2. Focus always on false magnanimity of the leader and their prowess.

          You are the disease that Hinduism should first treat. The rest will fall in place.

        • Advaith

          Argyam
          It is useless to argue on the basis of what parivarajaka SN did or what 360 degree vision he had. Why would someone wants to believe SN words. Was there any factual evidence like the video camera with Ranjitha. So let us not accept what he did or what he had vision and all. Let us enter in t0 the fact which is self evident. (1) Video Cam tapes (2) Abusing everyone at the ashramite (3) Abusing the devotees . The fun part is that SN considered as Masters of the present Millenia who use to abuse the ashramite, devotee and also those not involved at all including abusing other religion protestant etc. and these devotees were laughing alongwith SN when SN use to abuse and these devotees also clap when SN gave speech. No one had the courage or guts to say at that time, Hey Swamiji (SN) why are you abusing something that is non existent in the discourse of englightement..Where is the need or necessity to do that…These devotees are moron and the funny part of it is that these devotees and ashramite after the scam, also started abusing and adding more masala to abuse. Guess what, the Master has taught these devotees how to abuse in the discourse that SN use to give at the various Yathra..and now the same devotees are using this abuse at SN…So what one can understand from this relationship between a Master and Disciple..? What you sow that you will reap.? There are strong devotee, who say no I have benefited and I will follow him..these devotees or ashramites are self centered, they are only concerned about themselves because they are broken up and self centered personality and they dont think as PURNAM or WHOLE or HOLY..I have benefited from SN teachings and let others go to hell…I am a separate entity in the cosmos and others are non existent.
          Pity…

          • Argyam

            Advaith,

            When you point a finger, remember 3 point back to you. You call other devotees morons, but you conveniently forget that you were the ‘Maha(moron)acharya’. So, whatever a ‘Maha moron’ says needs to be ignored. You need proof for PN’s parivarjaka, satori etc.
            Do you expect him to carry a handycam along to shoot when necessary. Your arguments are moronish! First of all do you have the guts/humility to beg and eat your meal even for a day? Even if PN stayed in RK mutt for a couple of years he was wandering for a few years. Don’t you know about the incident in one of the Himalaya Yatra when Swami went and hugged some wandering sadhus, recognizing them to be his fellow sadhu friends during parivarjaka?

            So, your yardstick for measuring enlightenment is that one should not do anything to protect a religion against the onslaught of missionaries. He never condemned other religions as you falsly claim but only took steps to stop conversion. If you find christianity fascinating and promising for enlightenment, hy don’t you join them. Why are you wasting time on ‘Rajiv Malhotra’s blog (a known Hindu supporter)? You are an escapist Advaith, and a ‘Guru Dhrohi’. You are a rabid dog going around spreading rabies.
            You make ridiculous claims like you were sidelined and not allowed into ‘inner circle’ meetings etc. You exposed yourself bcos you were never with Swami for enlightenment but for EGO gratification

            Go tell your sob stories elsewhere and try to gain sympathy. God only knows how much ‘-ve karma’ you have accumulated by now !

            • Advaith

              Argyam
              Your way of looking at things is like a goat only look at the ground to eat grass all the time and not even bothered to question. Have you ever questioned. I am atleast bold enough to reveal my name and you are retard coward and wants to argue for the sake of your retarted mind. I am not here abusing SN nor praising him. All I am telling you and other devotees, after having moved with SN why are you still here on Rajive Malhotra blog showing hatred and anger at others. If dog bites you why are you biting the dog again. Have you not learned anything what swamiji taught you. You are spitting at the same thali where you had ashram meal.
              Talking about karma, who the hell cares what manifestation is going to take place. Did SN was aware that he has to undergo his karma like this in scam. What are you talking about +karma and negative karma.

    • Argyam

      PN is Ardhanareeshwara. Do you have any problems with that? Btw, you were the one preaching that men have 51% masculine qualities and 49% feminine qualities and vice versa for women. You erased all this from your memory after the scandal broke out is it? Are you a transgender or some such sort? Maybe a 20-20 slimeball ! Has JK helped you find your inner Guru ? I get a feeling that you are on a big EGO TRIP. Hope JK or your inner guru helps you out of it sooner than later !

      Argyam

      • Disgusted Human

        Thuh! Jahil. Open your freakin brain and mind to knowledge you dumb idiot.

      • Argyam

        Sorry this message was meant for Advaith who has lost his mental and emotinal balance.

        • Disgusted Human

          No you dumb idiot, let me spell it out “ARGYAM”, thuh on you.

          • Argyam

            Disgusting whatever,

            Tuh kya Hindi mein gali dega? Problem kya a hai tera., sadak chaap ?
            Pathli gali se nikal jha, nahi toh bahut maar kaayega.

        • Advaith

          Argyam
          I have not lost my mental and emotional balance, rather I woke up from mental and emotional balance. Mind your own business.

      • JGN

        Argyam, the concept of Ardhanareeshwara has got nothing to do with dubious gurus like SN. As per his own admission, he is a transgender!!

        Pl don’t try to justify one absuridty with another absurdity like what Dr.Zakir Naik is doing!

        And if you are really interested in serving the poor (as you claim), pl go to the remote villages and spread universal education. Only QUALITY education can change the condition of the downtrodden masses of our Country. Pl don’t run after the money of wealthy NRIs!

      • Advaith

        Argyam
        Can you reply to what Jeevi said here.
        Jeevi
        April 27, 2010 at 12:11 am Mr. Rajiv Malhotra,

        Yes, we hindus can self-govern, but, following rules should be part of by-laws of that international organization that:

        1. Any future Swami’s Greed should be managed by this organization

        2. The future Swami’s conduct on how he or she is running the Business. For example, are there any truths to their claims as “God’s” or God like personalities, is grace infront and back room the same? What are the miracle claim process? Are the miracles checked like in Chiristian organization by a board and certain rules?

        3. Does the Swami has ego or he or she doing this for fame.

        4. Does the swami have the basis of real teaching or currupting to fit his or her needs?

        5. Real transperancy

        6. Ethics and morals regardless of what says in sastras but follow the law of the land

    • Argyam

      JGN,

      No man is 100 %masculine or no female is 100% feminine. For males it is 51%masculine and 49 % feminine an vice versa for women. PN is ardhanareeshwara, if you know what that means!
      Every enlightened master including Buddha exhibit this balanced qualities. They don’t identify with the male/female form. If all this is too much to digest, forget it and move on….

      Fyi, CID sleuths asked PN, “with how many woman he had sex with?”
      PN: “At this instant I am feel the ecstacy of a 1000 orgasms”. It was a polygraph (lie detector) test and the expert who was incharge of the test confirmed that PN was indeed telling the truth !
      Unfortunately, the media does not highlight such things bcos they are only interested in hounding him ! Dude, there are forces with evil intentions at work here against Sanathana Dharma. They are against Hinduism and PN was a serious pain in their neck. Wherever ‘Anandeshwara/Anandeshwari’ (presiding deities of Dhyanapeetam) went conversion stopped. Does that ring a bell? People were coming back to the Hindu fold and it didn’t go down well with certain vested interests. DMK and SUN TV were angry with him bcos he openly criticised DMK and he had refused SUN TV’s programme in 2009 (Diwali time).

      • Advaith

        JGN

        PN=Prana Nanda Am I right that you are referring to Prana Nanda Maharaj

        • JGN

          Advaith, who is this PN (Prana Nanda)? I was referring to your dubious guru, Swami Nityananda, who is now in police custody. Now pl don’t hatch conspiracy theories. He is being questioned by the law enforcement authorities of Karnataka, a State ruled by the BJP, supposed to be the protectors of the Hindus!!!

        • Argyam

          PN is Paramahamsa Nithyananda dimwits!

      • Harpeet

        You really believe the crap you write? You either seem intellectually challenged or are wontonly misleading others thinking everyone other than you is stupid.

  29. Sangutan

    Just by reading the comments, one can clearly make out that Jayeshwara, Prabhu and Argyam are the cult members who are key to Nithyananga’s organization. I am sure they are beneficiaries of the end result, either monetary or physical.

    These are the people who are ‘inner circle’ members, who know the falsehood of this operation and yet knowingly deceive people into the sham.

    Know this: when someone claimed to be god and wowed people with illusionary tricks, a question was asked of him. My god raises the sun from the east and makes it set in the west, can you do the reverse, if you claim to be the true god? My god has made the fire give out heat, can you make it give out chill?

    • Argyam

      Orangutan,

      So, you know everything that needs to be known about hinduism is it? People like you make ‘isms’ and divide people. Btw, we don’t belong to inner/outer circle bcos there is no such thing. Yes, we are beneficiaries at mental, emotinal and spiritual levels. They don’t sell such wares in the market you see. We speaketh from the strength and authenticity of our own experience!

      From the outside Krishna’s rasa leela is misunderstood by many. For the Gopis it is pure devotion. Do you get it? If you call us cult members then so are Krishna’s gopis.

      • Sangutan

        BTW, orangutan means “Man of the Jungle”, which I prefer being than an accomplice to Nithyananga.

        Now this is another classical way of justifying a cult. Why pull Krishna to justify your corrupt act? Simple, bring into question what many believe and deflect the justification. You monkeys seem to have been very well trained by your master. Keep at it.

    • Arun

      You can wake up a person who’s asleep, not someone pretending to be asleep. As long as they follow the letter of the law, I care less about what they do, even if it seems senseless to us.

    • Advaith

      Sangutan
      Argyam and Prabha are strong PN followers. But they are caught in the cult like the FEVICOL glue and they cant come out of it. In fact their minds were fooled. I agree with you sangutan.

    • Advaith

      sangutan
      you are absolutely right, Argyam and Prabha had some monetary benefit during the time of crisis to take away money from ashram. WHo knows you pointed out rightly thats why may be they are still in ashram

      • Argyam

        Advaith,

        It’s hard to believe that you were actually a ‘trash can’ masquerading as a ‘Mahacharya’. Sooner or later the truth had to come out and now you stand exposed. Good riddance !

        Dhyanapeetam is better off without slimeballs like you. You have only deteriorated with age old man…Heard that bandu has started chakra meditation classes (copy cat). What are you upto nowadays other than spewing venom on blogs?

        • Advaith

          Argyam
          Give your real name. Are u cowhered..sorry coward.. WHo care what Pandu does.

          • Argyam

            Advaith,

            My real name is ‘KALA BHAIRAVA’. You know what that means? I am here to scare the living daylights out of you silly old man…

            • Advaith

              Argyam
              Nice day dreams. The word is not the thing. Keep day dreaming.

            • Advaith

              Argyam
              Comeon put your real name man. Dont worry nothing can shake you and you said you are KALA BAIRAWA = IS it opposite of SAFED HALWA…you dump coward.

        • Advaith

          Argyam
          You dont have to believe me. I told you I always has regard for SN and not like you devotees. You have only developed anger and hatred to other devotees or ex devotees

        • Rajesh

          Argyam
          I see here lots of fight taking place between you and CDN,Advaith etc on Nithyananda issue. Instead why not you guys help Nithyananda in coming out of the scandal/jail. I find only true Bhakta and Swamiji rightly named him as Bhaktananda, is all the time with Swamiji, all the rest of you devotees are only working and fighting behind the screen. Argyam,CDN,Jayeshwara, Prabha, Advaith – all of you please work in the same way as Bhaktananda Swami.

    • Panurang

      Argyam
      I must agree with Sangutan. You keep abusing all the comment made here..Teri Maki….Harbhajan use to call Symonds and this turned out to be Monkey…hahaha

  30. CDN

    I wish there was a way to bring Nithya to justice sooner and jail everyone who has been an accomplice to his fraud i.e. any officer bearer or position holder, unless they can prove their innocence.

    • VoP

      > jail everyone unless they can prove their innocence.

      Which Taliban do you belong to? Christian or Islamic one?

      • CDN

        A fraud of this magnitude can not be run by a single person, surely there are more than few involved. If you’d like to know what people feel about his acts, talk to those whose morals have been affected by this fraud.

        • Argyam

          cdn,

          first of all you don’t have the courage to post with your real name, Secondly you call someone a fraud just bcos someone else says so. Do you ever use your reasoning faculty? First go cleanup the filth within you before commenting on others.

          • Advaith

            Argyam
            Before pointing finger at cdn, why dont you have the courage to put your real name or the spiritual name. Argyam is a sanskrit word you picked up. You are a coward, and seems retard, atleast i have put my real name in here.

        • Advaith

          CDN
          I think Argyam’s approach is like Pak Taliban. Frustrated, from the scandal and taking things personally and Argyam is affected

  31. Prabha

    Advaith, you sorry old man, the tide is turning and the truth of the whole matter will be out sooner or later in spite of your best efforts to feed idiots like the ones in Deccan Herald with nonsense that they paint outrageous sensationalist pictures with, for the purpose of selling their newspaper and pleasing vested interests. On Saturday, people of Bidadi panchayat, during the panchayat elections, raised slogans in support of Paramahamsa Nithyananda. Nobody urged them to do this, the ashram was not even aware of it. This only goes to show that good will prevail in spite of trash like you. Besides, this will haunt you for the rest of your life, there is no doubt about that and you know it more than anybody else.

    • Advaith

      Prabha,
      I am not supporting any cult here OK. I moved out from this org longtime back. Unlike you guys are fighting among your own devotees, what a pathetic situation you have. I am moving on with my life and business as usual and adding occasional spice like you, Argyam(coward not willing to reveal the identity) and Jayeshwara. Atleast jayeshware is bold enough to give his real name. I salute him.

    • Advaith

      Prabha
      When I dont hate SN where is the question of who supports or not. I am telling you devotees what have you learned from swamiji teachings. DId swamiji taught you – hey all devotees go and write nonsense and abuse others in Rajiv Malhotra blog..Is this what you were taught..shame on you prabha.

      • Argyam

        Advaith,

        Since you were busy safeguarding your EGO, you missed the master. That doesn’t mean that others also fall into the trap. Shame on you old man for abusing swami publicly. If you write wrong things, you get it back from us. Does this what your ‘inner guru’ teach you? If you had imbibed what Swami had taught, you would have discovered your inner guru. Now you don’t stand a chance ‘stone face’ ! Twinkle twinkle little star,how I wonder Advaith became a Mahacharya? How he managed to fool people, by teaching truths which he never followed? Darti pe bhoj !

        • Advaith

          Argyam
          You first learn how to read english. I am not abusing SN. I am only showing light to your ignorance being a mahacharya that instead of abusing other devotees like me and others – you clearly proove that you have learned nothing from swamiji’s teachings..Pity and sad on you..Calling a senior Acharya as old man, etc is like the complete teachings of swamiji is misused by you. Please you do daily nithya dhyan. I am giving you good advise. If pandu is conducting Chakra meditation atleast she is following the teachings of what Swamiji has taught, whats wrong with that..

        • Raj

          Argyam
          I think you are talking sense here. I also learned about other ashramites abroad.

      • Prabha

        What else are you doing, if not abusing others? In addition, you have fed the media with nonsense and they have used you. Maybe that satisfies your ego.

    • CDN

      Old = wisdom acquired through life experiences. There is nothing to be ashamed of about being old. You folks are taunting him to get him to be defensive. You fools should be searching for answers to know the truth yourself than to abuse someone else.

      • Argyam

        There is nothing to be ashamed of old age, but if one starts behaving like a school kid or worse, abusing masters on public forums, it only indicates ‘mental , emotional, spiriual degradation’. Such a person needs to be woken up from his slumber, or atleast make an attempt. In Advaith’s case we made that attempt, but you can’t wakeup someone who is pretending to be asleep, can you ? Btw, Calpesh a.k.a cdn, why are you so bothered about our discussions with Advaith? You also seem to be having Talibanistic ideals. Btw, what is your interest in Swami?

  32. CDN

    Oh.. CDN is what my friends call me. Calpesh is the name. For the idot who thinks I am hiding my name.

  33. Aryavarta

    Will anyone care to explain to me, in short, what this conversation is all about? I read all the comments but lost ‘it’ somewhere in between..

  34. JGN

    Advaith, Did you go through the other three stages of life? According to Hindu philosophy, the life span is divided into four ashrams. These are Brahmacharya, Grahasta, Vanaprastha and Sanyasa. The Vedas define a specific purpose for each ashram.

    In the final stage i.e. Sanyasa or renunciation, the person leaves society to spend the remaining part of his or her life in meditation and the contemplation of God in solitude. Neither you nor the dubious “gurus” we see around us seems to have gone through these stages properly and as such ended up doing all sorts of illegal activities.

    • Argyam

      JGN,

      You are contradicting whatever you quoted from JK in another post. Where is the need to go through all the stages? There is no hard and fast rule to go through all the stages. It is just a guideline. As per the guideline, sanyas comes at the fag end of life when your children are married and you have grown old and then want to think about GOD ! God seems to be remembered when you are jobless and are close to death. This is not the path for true seekers.
      A true seeker is in touch with GOD always and that is what our master Paramahamsa Nithyananda has taught us. I experience GOD’s presence in my daily life, thanks to Swami who helped me reach that stage. As lord Dattatreya preached, everything that you come in contact with, like birds, animals, human beings etc. are your Guru bcos they teach you something. The Guru who helps you get in touch with your ‘inner Guru’ is your ‘Sadhguru’. To me he is greater than GOD, bcos without him it would not have been possible to contact your ‘inner Guru’.

      Btw, please don’t pass comments on Gurus based on hearsay or media reports. In this modern era, what you see and hear is not necessarily the ‘TRUTH’. If JK works for you, good for you, but that doesn’t mean you should talk ill of other Gurus. It only reflects on your depth of imbibing the truths.

      • JGN

        Argyam, I will narrate a story here.

        Narada Muni used to boast that he was the biggest devotee of Narayana as he used to chant Narayana, Narayana the whole day except while sleeping. Agastya Muni once told him that there is a farmer on Earth who is an even bigger devotee of “Narayana” at which Narada got annoyed. Agastya Muni decided to test Narada. He gave a vessel filled with oil brimming to the edge to Narada and asked him to take three rounds of the earth without spilling the oil. Narada accepted the assignment with pleasure and came back to Agastya Muni after taking three rounds of the earth and again boasted that he has not spilled even a drop of oil. Agastya then asked Narada as to how many times he recited Narayana during the period which he took for taking three rounds of Earth. Again Narada got annoyed and retorted “will I take care of the oil in the vessel or chant Narayana” at which Agastya Muni told him that the farmer works in his field the whole day and while going to sleep he says Narayana once, which is even nobler than Narada Muni reciting Narayana, Narayana whole day!!! Work is Worship!

  35. JGN

    We have been told that all paths lead to truth – you have your path as a Hindu and someone else has his path as a Christian and another as a Muslim, and they all meet at the same door – which is, when you look at it, so obviously absurd. Truth has no path, and that is the beauty of truth, it is living. A dead thing has a path to it because it is static, but when you see that truth is something living, moving, which has no resting place, which is in no temple, mosque or church, which no religion, no teacher, no philosopher, nobody can lead you to – then you will also see that this living thing is what you actually are – your anger, your brutality, your violence, your despair, the agony and sorrow you live in. In the understanding of all this is the truth, and you can understand it only if you know how to look at those things in your life. And you cannot look through an ideology, through a screen of words, through hopes and fears.

    So you see that you cannot depend upon anybody. There is no guide, no teacher, no authority. There is only you – your relationship with others and with the world – there is nothing else. When you realize this, it either brings great despair, from which comes cynicism and bitterness, or, in facing the fact that you and nobody else is responsible for the world and for yourself, for what you think, what you feel, how you act, all self-pity goes. Normally we thrive on blaming others, which is a form of self-pity – J.Krishnamurti in “Freedom from the Known).

    • Prabha

      Beautiful theory, not worked in practice for anybody else. JK himself knew that as he was fully aware that he was born conditioned for it. His mind was like an empty vessel.

      Krishnamurti referred to his state of mind during childhood: “Ever since he was a boy it had been like that, no thought entered his mind. He was watching and listening and nothing else. Thought with its associations never arose. There was no image-making…He attempted often to think but no thought would come.”

      Writing about his childhood and early adolescence in memoirs he composed when he was eighteen years old, Krishnamurti described psychic experiences, such as “seeing” his sister, who had died in 1904, and also his mother, who had died in 1905.

      • JGN

        Even a Communist and Atheist like former Justice V.R.Krishna Iyer had claimed some time back that he was able to communicate with his wife who passed away many years back!!

      • Rajesh

        Prabha
        Could you give me the precise meaning of the word “GURU” from there on we can proceed together..

        • Jayeshwara

          Rajesh,

          Guru means dispeller of darkness !

          Jayeshwara

          • Rajesh

            Jayeshwara
            Guru means one who dispells darkness! Fine agreed. Now can you explain further what you mean by darkness! Obviously you have read somewhere or your guru told you that darkness means Ignorance..right..Now what is ignorance and from where did this ignorance arise first all..Please explain we work together. Even veda says…let us work together

            • Jayeshwara

              Rajesh,

              I am not an expert on Vedanta. I simply imbibe the truths if it appeals to me. Darkness is absence of light !
              Basically everybody is enlightened but over a a period of time the humans got so engrossed with worldly things that they forgot their true nature. Now the reverse engineering to realize our ‘TRUE STATE’ is what is called enlightenment, moksha or whatever. First of all I never even realized that I had so much of ignorance in me, but slowly my master peeled em off layer by layer and I am living with much better clarity. Life is blissful, thanks to Paramahamsa Nithyananda. I manage to flow with life. Isn’t that awesome?

      • Rajesh

        Prabha
        I heard from some blog that Ram Ramanathan was also a culprit with his arrogance thinking that he has learned…and brought down the SN saga….Read this in blog
        http://nithyananda-cult.blogspot.com/

        in search space type Ram Ramanathan…

        Please clarify what is going on..

    • Rajesh

      JGN
      Having read freedom from the known, you have wonderfully put this here. Prabha feels that JK has never transformed anybody and he calls your or JK’s expression as mere theory and nobody put them in practice. It is hard to make prabha understand because he is intelligent and knowledgable (that is past, memory, thought etc) which comes and disturbs what is being told here. Great seekers like Dr.Bohm, Zimbalist, have lived the way JK taught not creating a image or idea or a concept of what is being said by JK, and not by putting into practice, but rather seeing the absurdity of what is being done. Its like saying, if one has to be in happiness one has to dismantle unhappiness. You cannot create happiness, happiness is born out of the dismantle of unhappiness. Prabha wants a Guru who can teach or practice how to create happiness and joy in life. Any amount of meditation is mere joke. Devotees of Swami never know what is meditation. Whatever created out of knowledge (that is past experience, memory, thought etc) will disappear and the knowledge also got to disappear alongwith the thought that has created it. What exists is YOU alone..No Guru, No Saviour, No Pandit, none can take you to the truth. I have put a question to Prabha, what is the meaning of the word GURU.. no reply yet.
      Thanks JGN

      • Jayeshwara

        Rajesh/JGN,

        You seem to be comparing masters. Every master is a unique expression and expresses the experience as understood by him/her. If you would not like to give credit to your parents for being your first Gurus, it is upto you. Similarly, there are other Gurus on the journey of life. Sadhguru is one who can lead you to your ‘inner Guru’. All that you have quoted from JK is only possible after you get in touch with your inner Guru. Btw, many people need to be guided to that point also. The external Guru does that job, like a parent who guides and takes care of the baby till it grows up to be self-reliant. Whatever you are saying, ‘No Guru, No saviour etc’, discounts the whole ‘Vedic tradition’. You are saying that Shiva (Adi-Guru) and the whole ‘Guru-shishya’ parampara is farce ! Buddha also lived and preached this and he helped to enlighten 10,000 people. Btw, how many got enlightened following JK’s ‘No Guru’ philosphy?

        • Rajesh

          Jayeshwara,
          There is no comparison in any field of manifestation. As JGN rightly said, each one is unique. If you have read upanishad you will get clear picture of differentiation. If there is comparision, there is always division and conflict. If I compare myself with Swami then, I am making a divsion and hence I am fragmented. So My perception will also be fragmented. There is absolutely no comparison at all. Comparision leads to measurement. Measurement leads to division and conflict. My guru is superior to your guru, my guru has powers to cure others and your guru can’t. My guru gave 10,000 people enlightement, did JK gave any enlightement..then there is a fight between the devotees and disciples..the root cause of all these is comparison, measurement, division etc. Try to look things as a whole or as it is..Even when you read this text just read thats all..Do not bring your past knowledge and read. Meaning you will compare with your past knowledge to the post made here and the thought start measuring past knowledge to the present post and the whole content of this discussion is lost. So first accept each one is unique (because of the manifestation) each leaves is different. If you put 1 million or infinite number of DOSA or PANCAKE, you can never match the bubble in the DOSA or PANCAKE, though the Flour is the same..Though the elements are same in all creation, you only see them in different form and shapes because the mind has made a division. In upanishad they say…there was only a single Reality existing in the beginning. The so-called variety was not there. It was one; it was without a second. There was nothing outside it; nothing external to it, to compete with it, to equal it or to be different from it. There is no conceivable reality in this world of this nature. Whatever be the stretch of your imagination, you cannot conceive of something outside which nothing is. At least space would be there, time would be there, something would be there. But even space and time are objects, externals, effects that came afterwards in the process of creation. And, therefore, they too are negated in the case of this reality. That alone was. There was absolutely no differentiation whatsoever, originally. There was neither external differentiation nor internal variety. In scriptural language, there was neither sajatiya bheda, nor was there vijatiya bheda, nor svagata bheda.”
          Hari Om Tat Sat

          • Jayeshwara

            Rajesh,

            JGN was trying to glorify JK and downplay others calling them fake/dubious. That’s where I had a problem, bcos it shows poor tolerance and respect for a ‘GURU’ in general. Truth is one, sages call it by different names. Why talk disrespectfully about ‘GURUS’ in general? I wouldn’t have progressed myself without Paramahamsa Nithyananda. I know how I have struggled with my mind and didn’t know the way out. For me ‘GURU’ is greater than GOD bcos he shows you the path to GOD. Btw, Paramahamsa Nithyananda himself is on record saying that ‘A Guru’ is like the stick that you use to light a funeral pyre. Once you have lit the pyre, the stick also is thrown in. Infact, Ramana Maharishi it seems used to give this example. If anybody achieved self-realization on their own, good for them, but that doesn’t mean one talks lowly of other ways to reach the same goal.

  36. JGN

    Jayeshwara, not only the Gurus but every humanbeing is a unique product. There is no comparison between one person and another person. Happiness is a state of mind. No amount of wealth or any number of gurus can bring happiness to a person if he is frustrated with himself/herself. What I have seen in this discussion board are mainly rantings of disgruntled persons.

  37. JGN

    Jayeshwara, people learn twenty five percent from their teacher, twenty five percent from listening to themselves, twenty five percent from friends and twnety five percent from time (I had learnt this when I was an school boy – cannot recollect the source). So we cannot atribute what ever we have learnt only to some teachers (gurus)!

    • CDN

      You and your theories. This may seem logical, but can not be traced to cognitive research. If you are truly interested, then atleast search the web for studies by prominent scholars on the subject.

  38. Siva

    Thanks Rajivji for the second article on SN issue. The first article never made sense to me. But this article is more clear and objective. Probably because of your stress on the capability of SN as a global hindu leader which you are looking for. Who thought SN is a pervert. Sad that many people flocked him like lemmings. They lost their money/savings and above all their faith in trusting other human beings. That is a greatest loss. 😦

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