God’s salesmen on earth

A nice article about humans claiming to be divine messengers, prophets and interpreters of God’s will. These charlatans have existed throughout history, as have blind gullible people willing to follow them. Some of these “prophets” took to violence and war to create their kingdom. It is about time the world said no to the cretins claiming to have a direct hotline to God.

The Chilean Earthquake and God’s Wrath
By Jeff Schweitzer

As the world reacts to the monstrous earthquake off the coast of Chile, one voice remains curiously quiet. Without Marion Gordon “Pat” Robertson to guide us, we are unable to decipher why god has caused this particular calamity.

 

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  1. Correction

    Lets start with the “Swamis” first, what say?

    • sanjaychoudhry

      Don’t you know the difference between prophets and saints?

    • Incognito

      swamis don’t claim to be god’s salesmen.

      ‘god’ is a creation of westerners, created for the purpose of subjugating people. It is popes and mullahs who claim divine sanction from that dubious creation to spread their selfish agenda through their propaganda books named koran and bible. It is these charlatans who needs to be given the kick, along with their sidekicks such as ‘correction’ above.

      namaste

  2. George

    There are definally false messengers of God but this only points to the logical fact that there must also be true ones who do know God through repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who came into the world to save sinners and die for all their sins against God on the cross , 2000 years ago. He was buried,and rose from the dead the third day,was seen of men,and went back up to heaven. This is indeed the only way to Gods heaven and to miss eternity in hell fire forever. Sincerely; George , http://www.HolyBible.com , http://www.FBNRadio.com , Thank You,very much.

    • sanjaychoudhry

      There is not a shred of historical proof for whatever you have said. It is most probably a myth, a story written by Paul and put back 150 years in time so that nobody from his generation could crosscheck the facts.
      http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

      Christianity is nothing but “churchism” — an artificial creed built around a primitive story and propagated by the church for its own power and wealth.

      • JGN

        Sanjay, modern humanbeings (homo sapien sapien) have existed on planet earth for more than 75,000 years! Ever wondered why the West Asian god sent his son just about 2000 years back only?

  3. JGN

    @ George,

    Chapman Cohen, in his “Theism or Atheism,” clearly states: “We know that man does not discover God, he invents him, and an invention is properly discarded when a better instrument is forthcoming. To-day, the hypothesis of God stands in just the same relation to the better life of to-day as the fire drill of the savage does to the modern method of obtaining a light. The belief in God may continue awhile in virtue of the lack of intelligence of some, of the carelessness of others, and of the conservative character of the mass. But no amount of apologizing can make up for the absence of genuine knowledge, nor can the flow of the finest eloquence do aught but clothe in regal raiment the body of a corpse.”

    Religion arose as a means of explanation of natural phenomena at a time when no other explanation of the origin of natural phenomena had been ascertained. God is always what Spinoza called it, “the asylum of ignorance.” When causes are unknown, God is brought forward; when causes are known, God retires into the background. In an age of ignorance, God is active; in an age of science, he is impotent. History attests this fact.

    “The single and outstanding characteristic of the conception of God at all times, and under all conditions is that it is the equivalent of ignorance. In primitive times it is ignorance of the character of the natural forces that leads to the assumption of the existence of Gods, and in this respect the God idea has remained true to itself throughout. Even to-day, whenever the principle of God is invoked, a very slight examination is enough to show that the only reason for this being done is our ignorance of the subject before us.” (Chapman Cohen.)

  4. An Open Letter of Indian Dalit Christians to HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI and Church Authority
    December 23, 2011
    Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you” – St Matthew 7.7

    His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
    Secretariat of State
    00120 Vatican City State – Europe

    Wish You a Merry Christmas and New Year
    Your Holiness,
    The debate related to the status of Christians in India is going on and you are already aware of it. There are two points to this wide ranging debate. Firstly, social, economic and political status of converted Christians and second is growing tension in different parts of country due to conversion related activities. The second has more to do with the way catholic church adopts to function in the country.
    According to official estimates of government, there are 30 million Christians in the country and 70 percent of this population has directly come from socially and economically downtrodden community popularly known as “Dalits”. However, as per unofficial figures the population of minority Christians is not less than 60-70 million. Irony is that; these people have been constantly suppressed and exploited even under the structure of catholic church being led by you (Pope). They are ridiculed for their sacrifices made hundreds of years ago for the church. They don’t command equal status in the existing structure of church and this has made the sacrifices futile. Christianity stresses on the fact that God has created people with his own image and this has become founding stone of equality of human values in Christian society. But, they are continuously meted out differential treatment in the name of caste and birth. In order to catch your attention towards these core issues, I am writing this letter to you. I am going to discuss first core issue.

    Ideology of Church
    Theoretically, there is no place for non-equality and racism in the Christianity and when it is attached with identity of Catholic Church; the concept of caste automatically vanishes like camphor as the word ‘Catholic- means-Universal’. There is only one head of this universal community of people and that is none other than representative of Vicar of Christ which is responsible for recruitment of Bishops in order to guide their disciples. In that way Holy Father/Pope means ‘you’ are responsible for maintaining ‘Kingdom of heaven’ on the earth. Now, you should explain me where is the place of dirty ideology like casteism and racism in this ‘Kingdom of heaven’?
    Deprived class in Indian church
    Downtrodden class in India has always been victim of unequal treatment, casteism and social exploitation. In order to seek solace and relief from their pathetic condition they are still coming under the aegis of church for the last 3 or 4 centuries. But, here, too, they have been exploited in the name of caste and race. The hope with which they had come in the Christianity seems to have forfeited. On the contrary, they are now entangled in even deeper quagmire of inequality.
    Church moving opposite to the ideology of Christianity
    Catholic Church has completely failed in its duty to provide equality and justice to that majority of converted people under the structure controlled by you (Pope). The resources have been captured by upper-class Christians. After independence of India Catholic Church has immensely progressed which is reflected from heavy increase in the number of schools, colleges, social institutions, new diocese, Fathers, Bishops, nuns and their followers? However, despite this entire progress one thing that has not changed is the status of converted Christians.
    Converted Christians are the backbone of Catholic Church in India but their participation in the structure of Catholic Church is zero. Bishop, Father and Cardinal from this class are rare to find and those who somehow managed after hard fought struggle are standing marginalized in the society. They are being treated differently by their upper-class brothers (Bishops and Fathers).
    Thousands of organizations related to education, health and non-governmental organizations are being run by church and right to run these institutions has been conferred by Indian constitution. The structure of church being run under Vatican (You) has failed to do justice with converted Christians. Understanding the gravity of the situation Pope John Paul-II had severely criticized the attitude of unequal treatment and discriminatory approach in the church. In 2003, he had said that Bishops were appointed to look after lambs and it is their duty to abolish any kind of discrimination prevalent in the catholic church.
    Betrayal of faith
    There is widespread anger among converted Christians against the policies adopted by the church. They have started demanding their rights within the existing structure of church. The response of church has been abysmal in this regard. The church leadership has termed this anger unjustified. Instead of addressing the genuine concerns of converted Christians they have shied away from their responsibilities and are trying to shift it on government of India. This is being done in order to fulfill their own ulterior motive. By doing so church is pushing these people in the same quagmire of caste system.
    When Indian constitution was being framed, constitution makers advocated for reservation of dalit class who were victim of caste oppression in the prevalent Hindu system. Majority of Hindu people sacrificed their right to equality in favour of their dalit brothers as a compensation of injustice meted out to them.
    Your Holiness, do your representatives have moral right to betray the faith of those who had blindly believed on church and its promises. They have given their whole life to church. The story is similar to the poor widow about whom Jesus had said to their disciples, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.” (Mark 12: 41-44) we dalit catholic, had also left the facilities (reservation) given by Indian government.
    Church should compensate
    Church is now blaming others for its failures. When Indian constitution was being framed these converted Christians remained in the fold of church and did not switch their loyalties. Within the framework of constitution minorities were given special rights and privileges that were even unthinkable in USA and Europe. Taking benefit of these rights church has enlarged its empire but seems to have forgotten converted Christians. Church leadership is trying stifling the just demand of their own people who are backbone of the Catholic Church in the country.
    Now, church leadership has no moral right to bring the converted people in the realm of same caste system that has oppressed them for centuries. Had they not gone in the fold of church and continued with the Hindu system they, too, would have enjoyed benefits bestowed upon them by constitution of India and progressed like their other Dalit Hindu brothers in the same fashion.

    After government of India, church is the only organized entity that can make available jobs but the participation of converted Christians is very low and maximum they can get is post of driver, cook, clerk, peon and gatekeeper. These jobs, too, can be availed on the mercy of Bishops and their condition is no better than slave laborer. I demand from church that they should compensate for the injustice and exploitation meted out to millions of converted Christians. Vatican had done this in the past and it can also be done here.
    Church should change its policy
    Church has always preferred safe trade. It has established thousands of schools, colleges and other institutions. This has benefited a lot to church leadership but majority of converted Christians have been largely deprived. Even in the field of education where church has practically monopoly it has failed to benefit converted Christians. We will not stop just after getting few benefits but Dalit Christians want their due share in the existing structure. Hindu society is changing very fast. Doors of temples are being opened for Dalit Hindus and many programmes are being run to abolish ignominious caste system whereas Christianity has not been able to do minor changes in its structure. Hindu dalits are constantly moving on but this is not the case with converted Christian society. Church administration being led by you is pushing them back. Perhaps their thinking is to assimilate converted Christians among 300 million Hindus. They believe that this will make the task of church leadership easier. Why it is that church leadership always seeks solution in putting converted Christians in the list of Hindu dalits.
    It is the duty of church leadership that process of development should not only be being smooth. It is good to have institutions/policy made for the welfare of people. However, it is even more important that who are implementing them? Converted Christians should get share proportionate to their population. Unless and until this happens their position in the society will remain the same and their problems will persist.
    Your Holiness,
    In the first point I have tried to elaborate the first point related to the problems faced by converted Christians. In India the relationship between Catholic Church and its followers is not based on democratic set-up. Inside the church upper-caste Christians have more opportunity to progress than converted Christians. Considering the status of these people some fundamental structural changes are needed. At present Bishop is the “Key power” and they are appointed by the Vatican and that is why they feel themselves more responsible towards Vatican and less towards Kalisia. Most of the Catholics are of the view that Bishop should be elected by Kalisia and not by the Vatican so that they could be made more responsible towards their people.

    Evangelization and escalating tension
    Recently, for the sake of safety and security of Christian society you have appealed to Hindu society that they should stand-up against condemnable hate propaganda against Christians and should pave the way for religious freedom. Your concerns are genuine as tension between Christians and people from other faith has escalated over the years and at some places it has even taken violent turn. Be it ignominious incident of burning of Graham Stains with his two children in 1999 or Kandhmal riots or violence at some other place. Indian society has always opposed violence on the name of caste or religion. Indian government has acted swiftly whenever such incidents have taken place. Perpetrators of crime have been punished. Government has also constituted various commissions in this regard and their reports have been startling.
    India has always been glorious symbol of tolerance and has shown respect for all religions and faiths with the feeling of amicable co-existence. There is no place for non-tolerant faith among majority of Hindu community. Every citizen respects fundamental right of religious freedom of other people.
    Many commissions constituted by government on the wake of violent instances against Christians have also indicated towards imperialistic nature of church. There is an urgent need for introspection on the method of propagation of Christian faith as they have become instruments of growing tension with people of other faith. We can stop this by changing the current practices by the church and help create amicable atmosphere.
    Freedom of church in India
    Indian church and Christians have rights that are not even available to European church. In the matters related to Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and other religions there is some government intervention. For example, properties of religious institutions in Muslims are looked after by Waqf board. Similarly, religious properties in Sikhs are also managed according to Indian law. Government has direct control over the income of big temples and this money is spent on upliftment of deprived class.
    But, government has no intervention in matters pertaining to Christians. Bishops are appointed by you and Vatican and Fathers/Bishops has ownership over huge assets and resources of church. Though, even in Europe many countries have control over the properties of church. India is one such country where church enjoys immense religious freedom.

    Introspection of evangelization policy is necessary.
    Recently, Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue has raised few questions about status of religious freedom in India. The indication was towards anti-conversion law made by few states in India. Church is facing difficulty after enactment of this law. They should understand that Indian constitution allows anybody to follow faith of his/her choice and even allows propagation of religion. But, nobody can justify conversion of scheduled caste and tribes under the garb of social service. There is a thin line between propagation of once faith and conversion. If state gives absolute freedom to those who have sole motive of conversion then it is the duty of the state to intervene in the matter. This becomes all the more important considering wherever conversion has taken place in large number social tension has increased.
    This year Vatican had convened a meeting of various heads of faiths in Assisi of Italy on October 27. In this meeting Indian representation had tried to attract the attention of Vatican towards conversion. As a matter of fact if Vatican really wants amicable solution to various problems faced by Christianity then it is the church that will have to play larger role in the process.

    Development of converted Christians should be goal of church
    Your Holiness,
    Theoretically in Christianity advocates for equality but in practice reality is starkly different. Discriminatory caste policies of Catholic Church fail the basic motive of Christianity. In reality, condition of converted Christians worsens after conversion. Church should bring a White Paper on the matter that how much church has progressed after independence and how much progress converted Christians have made during the same period.
    Church receives huge donation in the name of social service and development of disciples of the faith but hardly anything has changed on the ground. This is certainly a food for thought that where this money goes?
    Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) an umbrella organization of Dalit Christians is of the view that church officials don’t want to leave any benefit currently enjoyed by them at any cost. They are not at all concerned with the betterment of converted Christians. This is why there is no hint of betterment of the status of this community even in distant future. The current system harbours inequality. That is why it will be wrong to expect that things will change in near future.
    Converted Christians are looking towards you with lot of hope and we request you to take concrete step for the change in fundamental structure of church.
    Yours in Christ

    R L Francis
    President
    Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM)
    http://www.dalitchristian.com
    Copy to:
    H.E. Archbishop Salvatore Pennacchio
    Titular Archbishop of Montemarano
    Apostolic Nuncio
    50-C, Niti Marg, Chanakyapuri
    New Delhi – 110 021

    Cardinal Oswald Gracias
    President
    Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India (CBCI)
    C.B.C.I centre
    1, Ashok Place
    Near Gole Dakkhana
    New Delhi – 110 001, India.

  5. munish

    It is significant that Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa, who has for some years been celebrating Mass at her residence, recently allowed the media to photograph her celebrating Mass with the Archbishop, where she announced free pilgrimages to Jerusalem for Christian converts (at the expense of the taxpayer of a Secular nation!).

  6. ravi

    Converted Christians in India have been deprived of their cultural roots and traditional belief system. Rootless people cannot grow and compete with emerging knowledge, technology and competitive system. No amount of reservation is going to help them to adopt to emerging psycho-social-economic conditions. Pope and the Vatican has a policy of uprooting people from their cultural traditions and abandon them for rot. Blacks in America, poor peasant in South America, native Indians in North America, poor deprived Blacks in Africa are still struggling to get a place in the Catholic hierarchy. The Vatican and their missionary gang is interested only in plundering the country and hijacking native culture. The Vatican had the grimmest record of any ruler in the world for protecting, preserving and promoting traditional culture, environment, and protecting children from sex predatory catholic priests. Furthermore, Vatican policies has squandered wealth of several countries. converted people around the globe have paid the heaviest personal price. Conversion: Is it a burden or an opportunity? Can Vatican help converted Blacks, Native Indians to raise their children, get proper education and social status. History proves these convrted people are permanently abonded. They end up in the belly of the beast. They are now working on the mistake of the past. Indians should educate about the culture they have inherited, and work together to build the nation. Finally, remember that we are all together in this fight against coercive religious conversion, phony secularism, congress misrule, corruption and terrorism. Our generation is faced with enormous problems created by the agents of Vatican as no generation before in the history of India. Yes, Hindus have not only a right but a duty to stand up to those who want to destroy our culture.

  7. This is a timely and needed reminder that the “West” is still fighting to retain its 200 year old global hegemony that it is rapidly losing. Both Christianity in its various forms and “scientific secularrationalism” are used as tools to convert the rest of mankind to its worldview and preserve intellectual and economic leadership. However a distinction should be made, whenever possible, between the insidious propaganda and conversion war waged by the Euro-American religious and ideological war machine and the sincere attempts by some individual westerners to rescue Christianity from its untenable solipcism as the faith of the “Only True God and of his Only Son” and reintegrate it into the Sanathana Dhrama as one of the many paramparas or smapradays that it should be if it had remained true to the message of Jesus the Nazarene as an incarnation (avatar) of the Cosmic Sun who, in that character rose above and partly renounced the exceptionalist and warlike tribalism of Judaism. Christianity should be another branch of the Rtam, like Vaishnavism, Saivism, Jainism or Sikhism.

  8. Kailash

    Converted Christians in India have been deprived of their cultural roots and traditional belief system. Rootless people cannot grow and compete with emerging knowledge, technology and competitive system. No amount of reservation is going to help them to adopt to emerging psycho-social-economic conditions. Pope and the Vatican has a policy of uprooting people from their cultural traditions and abandon them for rot. Blacks in America, poor peasant in South America, native Indians in North America, poor deprived Blacks in Africa are still struggling to get a place in the Catholic hierarchy. The Vatican and their missionary gang is interested only in plundering the country and hijacking native culture. The Vatican had the grimmest record of any ruler in the world for protecting, preserving and promoting traditional culture, environment, and protecting children from sex predatory catholic priests. Furthermore, Vatican policies has squandered wealth of several countries. converted people around the globe have paid the heaviest personal price. Conversion: Is it a burden or an opportunity? Can Vatican help converted Blacks, Native Indians to raise their children, get proper education and social status. History proves these convrted people are permanently abonded. They end up in the belly of the beast. They are now working on the mistake of the past. Indians should educate about the culture they have inherited, and work together to build the nation. Finally, remember that we are all together in this fight against coercive religious conversion, phony secularism, congress misrule, corruption and terrorism. Our generation is faced with enormous problems created by the agents of Vatican as no generation before in the history of India. Yes, Hindus have not only a right but a duty to stand up to those who want to destroy our culture.

  9. Bhushan

    Good news for Christian missionaries:

    Kashmiri separatist clergyman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq launches radical website to prevent conversions

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmiri-separatist-clergyman-Mirwaiz-Umar-Farooq-launches-radical-website-to-prevent-conversions/articleshow/11280433.cms

    Count your blessings till Hindus blast you sinners. Stop thrusting your God on innocent people. Stop saying that “Jesus will save you.” Keep it personal.

  10. Christianity = RACISM = worst kind of human behavior

    Christianity = SLAVARY = worst kind of exploitation

    Christianity = DIVIDE & RULE = worst kind of activity creating unrest leads to civil war

    Christianity = CONVERSION = To have domination by appointing puppet Government

    Christianity = ALCOHOL & DRUG = worst kind of habit to make human inactive & lazy

    Christianity = CHURCH + FATHER + NUNS = a brothel palace with closed chambers

    Christianity – VATICAN – A wolf in the sheep cloth

    Christianity = CHILD ABUSE, HOMOSEX, INSENSE, PRODUCING ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN, COUNTLESS NUMBER OF DIVERSE = worst kind of animal behavior spreading all sort of sexual disease

    REJECT CHRISTIANITY – REJECT CHRISTIANITY –REJECT CHRISTIANITY

  11. George

    But receive the Lord Jesus as your personal Saviour and Lord God our creator. And believe his word, the King James Version Holy Bible. But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on his name. He died for all of your sins on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead the third day, was seen of men, and went back up to heaven. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved. And read John and Romans in the Holy Bible.

  12. IndianOcean

    @George
    So you believe the people’s writing those who wanted to be Saint in the History. Their imagination is “One person die on the cross & resurrect from dead can clense everyone’s sin on the earth”. Why your god want’s this kind of equalization without having any considerations to dharmic activities of human being? So many adharmas, sufferings, and in-justices are occuring on earth for human being & other lifes, who is responsible for all those things? Are they all not sins? Don’t blame it on imaginary satan. it is your so called saints invention of all those things.

  13. S

    George, on behalf of His Noodly Appendage, I implore you to repent and become a Pastafarian. Join our church, pay 20$ for ordination, and be saved. Here’s our Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster –

    http://www.venganza.org/

    It has been proved that the dead Jew on the cross myth is false, the Jews didn’t buy this shit, so why should you. Join the one true church and be saved.

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