Hadith on rape of kafir females captured in war

There is an entire chapter in the Hadith on how to rape captured women without making them pregnant, so that their slave price does not fall (pregnant women fetch lower price).

Remember, this was the fate of millions of our hindu sisters who fell into muslim hands.

http://dharmaveer.blogspot.com/2008/12/hadith-on-rape-of-kafir-females.html

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  1. What is most shocking is Muhammad exhorting his muslim soldiers to “go ahead, Allah wants you to have these captured women” right in front of their husbands.

    Upon reading this important Hadith (which precedes the famous “who so ever your right hand possesses” verse of the Kuran), it is clear that while some of the muslim soldiers were hesitant to rape the captured women in front of their husbands (who had also been captured), Muhammad made sure they shed all inhibitions, and went right ahead.

    What a prophet!! Indeed the “Insaan-e-Kamil” (perfect human being) of Islam!

    • Hi Indian “realist”, why don’t you call yourself a Hindu realist being that you said “our Hindu brothers”? So only Hindus matter? And when will you Hindus stop, stealing from, raping, torturing and murdering the Dalits? When oh “moral” Hindus? Why are you such extreme hypocrites? No wonder you said “Hindus” and not “Indian”.

      Come out of the darkness and repent. Turn to God.

      http://eternian.wordpress.com

      • JGN

        Turn to which god? The jealous West Asian variety or the democratic Indian variety?

      • s

        Knight, when will your God stop, stealing from, raping, torturing and murdering the non-believers in this world and beyond? Why does he treat people who don’t believe in him as dalits?

  2. MRK

    Dharmaveer,

    “Don’t tell that there is a Hadith!!!…..In that Hadith telling like this!!!!and like that…..In Islam everything has a base…..Pointout the Hadith Number,Which Imam quoted this Hadith…..This Hadith is Strong(Saheeh) or Weak (Daeef)…..

  3. @MRK,

    I only quote from Hadiths Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, and Malik’s Muwatta. Once in a while I also quote Jami-at-Tirmidhi. All schools of Islam consider these to be Sahih and the canonical collections. These are the 4 that the USC Islamic center makes available online here. Pl. verify every word I have quoted:
    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/search.html

    The Hadith quoted above is from Sahih Muslim (rated along with Sahih Bukhari as most reliable). It is in chapter 22 of that Hadith. Here is the direct link
    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3371

    The asnad (chain of narration) will also be given there.

    You can also find numerous instances of such rape in Sirat-ul-Rasool, which was compiled even earlier than these Hadiths. Please verify everything, don’t take my word for anything.

    The Hadith where Muhammad exhorts his muslim soldiers not to bother about the presence of captured husbands while raping the captured women is in multiple Hadiths – Sunan Abu-Dawud and Jami-at-Tirmidhi. You can find both references to verify in my article where I quote both:
    http://dharmaveer.blogspot.com/2009/03/except-those-captives-whom-your-right.html

    Once again, I urge you to verify every single word I have quoted. I use only the most reliable Hadith collections, and take those from the most reliable sources.

  4. @ dharmaveer.

    The following address shows one post dated Feb 2010 and next dated Mar 2009.

    http://dharmaveer.blogspot.com/

    Is it as per design or some error ?

  5. JGN

    @ sanjaychoudhry and other friends,

    There might have been such a hadith and such things might have been happened in the distant past. What is the use of taunting our Muslim friends for that now? Are all other communities free from such biases in the past? What about untouchability in India, Slavery in USA, etc? Are we responsible for that?

    • Has ‘our Muslim friends’ abandoned Hadiths and Koran ?

      What about untouchability in India? The current version says that if you touch samskritam with a barge pole, you are an untouchable in academic circles. In the rest of the circles, if you look up to bharatiya samskriti, you are an untouchable.

      Long back it was not such an issue. So you had rishi Parashara touching a fisherwoman. Their son Vyasa went on to compile all the vedas and wrote Mahabharata, including the gita. This fisherwoman not only touched the rishi, she touched king Shantanu also. Not only that, she went on to be the queen of the land!
      So much for untouchability in those days.
      Further, the son of this fisherwoman, Vyasa ‘touched’ princesses Ambika and Ambalika, daughter-in-laws of the same fisherwoman turned queen. That ‘touch’ produced Dhritarashtra and Pandu who then ruled the country.
      The wifes of Sri Pandu, through some boons got five sons who later went on to marry girls all over the world, including jungle tribeswomen and even rakshasis!

      Not to forget rishi Valmiki, who at one time was a jungle robber. He later wrote Ramayana wherein Sri Rama considers Sugriva, a vanara, as a close friend and Sri Hanuman as an even closer friend. So close that Hanumanji is almost always ‘touching’ Ramji’s feet in the pictures that we have now!

      It is obvious that these eminences of yore were totally unaware of the wonderful system of untouchability that they should have practiced.

      No matter, we the people of India, taking note of the ignorance of our forefathers do practice the wonderful system of untouchability now.

      That is good. 🙂

      • JGN

        Incognito, many of ‘our Muslim friends’ might not have abandoned Hadiths and Koran but it is our duty also to help them to critically analyze the same and understand for themselves the futility in believing in something wirtten in some books hundreds or thousands of years back.

        What ever justifications we may have for the “untouchability”, it is a fact that the same existed (and still exists in the villages) of India.

        Learning “samskritam” is not sufficient to earn a decent living in today’s world. Do you want our children also to learn only Sanskrit like the children from some other communities learing only Urdu or Arabic?

        Some scholars believe that Bhagvad Gita was a later day addition to Mahabharata, probably written during the time of Adi Shankara, to awaken the lazy kings of our Country who were fighting amongst themselves over trivial issues when the Christians set out to conquer the world for Jesus, armed with “Papal Bull” and the Muslims set out to reclaim the world from the infidels for their “most merciful creator” with their swords.

        • >>>“… it is our duty also to help them to critically analyze the same and understand for themselves the futility in believing in something …”

          It may also be our duty to critically analyze and understand the futility in believing that- ‘ “untouchability”, it is a fact that the same existed (and still exists in the villages) of India.‘.
          Numerous are the information available on the web that suggests otherwise.

          >>>“Do you want our children also to learn only Sanskrit like the children from some other communities learing only Urdu or Arabic?

          Why that question using the phrase ‘learn only Sanskrit’ ?
          Was it suggested in the previous comment in anyway that Sanskrit only should be learnt, to lead to such a question ?

          Or is it a presumption, shaped by prevalent discourse in media, that anybody who talks of Sanskrit is a primitive-minded bigot who is promoting exclusively Sanskrit education at the cost of all other languages and ‘modernity’ ?

          >>>>“Learning “samskritam” is not sufficient to earn a decent living in today’s world.

          Learning anything for that matter, is not sufficient to earn a living, unless what is learnt is applied.

          >>>“Some scholars believe that Bhagvad Gita was a later day addition to Mahabharata…

          Mahabharata, Ramayana, Vedas, etc., have been handed down vocally in precise manner through thousands of generations through millions of lineages. They have the same content whether you listen to them them in Kashmir or Varanasi or Kanyakumari.
          To speculate that at one stage of time every one of the millions of simultaneous transmitters of these texts spread out across the vast land mass were made to add the gita and make no mention of this addition, is ridiculous.
          Whatever is found common to all the versions, logically considering, has to have been part of the original composition.
          Insinuations of otherwise are likely to be cooked up stories like ‘Aryan Invasion’ and ‘Untouchability’.

          From comment below->>>“all these heart burns are due to segregating people into caste, creed, colour, religion, region, etc

          It is the Islamists and christians who segregate people into believers and kaffirs/ heathens and other divisions. bharatiya samskriti by contrast, says, in case you are unaware, ‘vasudaiva kutumbakam‘. It says ‘lokah samastaH sukhino bhavantu‘. “sarvesham swastir bhavatu ……“, “sarve bhavantu sukhinaH …

          >>>“Those things happened in an era when “might was right”.

          ‘Those things’ are happening here and now.
          From Kerala to Kashmir. here and now.
          Refer to daily reports on Nazeer.

          >>>‘Today even in Saudi, they cannot follow the Quran or Hadiths in toto. There is no place for outdated religious dogmas in today’s world driven by Science and Technology.

          Youtube has more than enough videos on stoning to death, beheadings and honour killings.

          >>>‘Another interesting aspect is, all religions teach us how to improve the life-here after but none of them teach us how to live on planet earth

          This is what comes from abandoning Sanskritam and alienating oneself from bharatiya samskriti that teaches how to live in consonance with Nature IN THIS WORLD.

          Like said in the begining, it may be in order to critically analyze the notions spread by marxist ideologues sitting in NCERT and at academies.

          dhanyavaad

          • JGN

            >>>>Youtube has more than enough videos on stoning to death, beheadings and honour killings>>>>yes, what you conveniently forget is that the victims are also “muslims”!! And honour killing exists in other societies also. A few months back a young couple were hanged in a North Indian village as both of them belonged to the same “gotra” and the daughter of former SGPC President was alleged to have been killed by her as she married aginst the wishes of the family.

            The original Mahabharata contained just over Ten Thousand Verses. Now it is the largest epic in the world containing over One Lakh Twenty five thousand verses. There were additions to Mahabharata over the ages. There are over a hundred versions of Ramayana, including one named “Muallah Ramayana” !! Like the “Books” originated in the West Asia, nobody had put a seal of finality on the books of Eastern Civilizations. Hope you have heard of V.S. Khandekar’s “Yayati A Classic Tale Of Lust ” or Randamoozham by M.T. Vasudevan Nair (about the plight of Bhima who had to give way to others everywhere in life just because of being the second one among Pandavas).

            >>>>lokah samastaH sukhino bhavantu>>>>you forgot the previous line>>>>>gobrahmanebhya shubamsthu nityam (where cows and brahmins are happy)!!!!!!Why the empahsis on Brahmins?? Shall I change that now to where my laptop and mobile is working satisfactorily??

            The saving grace of Hinduism is, we do not have any central authority like in Christianity and Islam nor any high-priest can dictate to us. Change with time or time will change you. That is the rule of nature.

            • >>>what you conveniently forget is that the victims are also “muslims”!!

              Yes, forgot that ‘muslims’ are a different species from human beings. So , yes, it is Ok if they are killed by others of that species. eh ?

              >>>“And honour killing exists in other societies also.

              sanctioned by the texts?

              >>>“Hope you have heard of V.S. Khandekar’s “Yayati A Classic Tale Of Lust ” or Randamoozham by M.T. Vasudevan Nair

              Sorry, didn’t know about Rishi Khandekar and Maharshi Vasudevan Nair. will look them up. Thanks

              >>>“Why the empahsis on Brahmins??

              As in ‘one who has realized brahma’.
              Not the definintion given by marxists and britishers.

              >>>“Change with time or time will change you. That is the rule of nature.”

              Some principles are unchangeable.

              • JGN

                Incognito, I liked your sarcasm. Btw V.S. Khandekar and M.T. Vasudevan Nair are more than Rishis and Maharishis for the people of Maharashtra and Kerala respetively. Ask any Keralite about MT, the janpith award winner, if you don’t know.

                • Do you have to indulge in regional chauvinism ?

                  Nowadays, an award is meaningless. so please don’t start on that.

                  >>>” V.S. Khandekar and M.T. Vasudevan Nair are more than Rishis and Maharishis for the people of Maharashtra and Kerala respetively.

                  Maybe that explains why communist/congress goons and Madani are having a good time in Kerala while common man has to seek work outside that state. And Thackerays and congress/NCP opportunists calls the shots in Maharashtra while farmers commit suicide.

                  A sad decline from the times when both states drew inspiration from Adi Shankaracharya and Chatrapati Shivaji respectively.

                • Bharat Nair

                  M.T a rishi?? haha..
                  Agreed that he is one of the fe good writers in Kerala. But giving him the title of “rishi” is a bit too much.
                  I think People of Kerala have not forgotten M.T’s talented ‘first wife’. I think she has penned down something regarding “rishiness ” of M.T. Regarding randamoozham , it cannot be mentioned as his “masterpiece”. rather this book is heavily “influenced” by “Yuganta” written by Iravati Karve. In addition to this, several scholars have chided M.T for not mentioning Vidwan Prakasam’s work in his references.

                  • JGN

                    Bharat, I did not say that MT is a Rishi or Maharishi. Whether you like him or not, he is an acclaimed writer. Which work of Vidwan Prakasam are you talking about? To my knowledge he had only translated complete Mahabharata into Malaylam in Prose. I have read all 40 Volumes of the same. There already existed a translation in peotry by Kodungalloor Kunjikuttan Thampuran.

                    • Bharat Nair

                      JGN,
                      Please re-read your own words.
                      “Btw V.S. Khandekar and M.T. Vasudevan Nair are more than Rishis and Maharishis for the people of Maharashtra and Kerala respetively. Ask any Keralite about MT, the janpith award winner, if you don’t know.”

                      If you can disown your words so easily , I can understand ‘your gods comment’ too.

                      “To my knowledge he had only translated complete Mahabharata into Malaylam in Prose.”
                      Only?? don’t you think thats an inappropriate understatement.It proves that your knowledge, as in other areas is imperfect in this case also. In fact Sri.Prakasam has several other works to his credit too.

            • sridhar krishna

              dear JGN,

              i have read V S Kandekar’s Yayati in its tamil form. It has nothing to do with the title that you suggested. may be the english version is named so.

              to defend a religion or idea please do not denigrate the other religion or competing idea.

              Yayati is a master piece a la Kurosowa’s roshomman where the three protagonists take differing view of a single event that transformed their lives. the book has nothing to do with religion. the title has nothing to do with the contents.

              cheers!!!

              sridhar

              • JGN

                Dear sridhar krishna, the names of those books were mentioned only because they are well known titles based on some episodes in Mahabharata and not to anylize them for their literary values. Pl see the context in which I wrote the same. No “fatwa” was issued against the authors of those books like what happened to Salman Rushdie or Nikos Kazantzakis (author of “Last Temptation of Christ”).

        • s

          “many of ‘our Muslim friends’ might not have abandoned Hadiths and Koran ”

          Err.. do you know of any Muslim who has abandoned them?

          • JGN

            Yes, there are millions upon millions who have abandoned the Koran and Hadiths. Have you heard of Dr. Ali Sina of Faith Freedom International, Taslima Nasrin, Salman Rsuhdie, Anwar Sheikh, Irfan Husein (The Dawn columnist), Khaled Hoseini (author of The Kite Runner and A Thousand Splendid Suns), Tawfik Hamid (author of Roots of Jihad) etc ? There are lakhs of muslims in Kerala also who do not beleive in any “god/allah”!!! And they are often the target of the “believing” muslims.

            Pl read “Smokers’ Corner: It is us” By Nadeem F. Paracha in today’s The Dawn, Karachi to know about atrocities committed by muslims on muslims in Pakistan, a country specially created by the late Chaudhary Rehmat Ali, Iqbal, M.A. Jinnah, etc for the muslims to live according to the tenets of their religion!

    • s

      JGN wrote: “There might have been such a hadith and such things might have been happened in the distant past.”

      Do you know what a “Sahi” (authoritative and certified by tradition as authentic) Hadith is? These compliations recount Mohammad’s doings in his life which guide Muslims’ actions for all time to come. When in doubt about what to do, Muslims refer to the Sahi Hadiths to see what Mohammad had done in that situation.

      If Mohmmad gave sanction to Muslims to rape Kaffir women in front of their husbands, then it is the religious duty of every Muslim to (i) capture kaffir women, and (ii) rape them. This behaviour has got spiritual sanction of the Prophet and all Muslims who do this get credits to be encashed in afterlife. If you want to predict what Muslims will do to Kaffirs when they gain power over them, you will be well advised to read the Sahi Hadiths, my friend.

      A large part of any Muslim’s thinking is devoted to having sex with non-Muslim women through either luring them (love jihad) or by force (riots, kidnapping of women, invasion of kaffir lands). This is a way to (i) humiliate non-Muslim men and taunt them about their women being in bed with the momins and (ii) to increase the Muslim population by using the wombs of non-Muslim women to produce more Muslims. Such children from non-Muslim women are called as “gift of Allah to the Ummah.” So all these Hindu women marrying Muslim men are nothing but stupid breeding cows of Islam.

      The more I read about Islam and its ideology that guides the behaviour of Muslims, the more I conclude that Islam is nothing but a worldwide criminal enterprise from which no compromise or accommodation is possible. It is either they or us. There is no other solution. Many thinkers have reached the same conclusion, from Anwar Shaikh to B.R. Ambedkar. It is idiots like that deranged Gandhi and his communist side-kick Nehru who led the Hindus up the garden path and caused terrible damage to their long-term security and prospects.

  6. JGN

    sanjaychoudhry, all these heart burns are due to segregating people into caste, creed, colour, religion, region, etc. We all belong to the same specie called “homo sapien sapien”. All other divisions are man-made. I am no way justifying what might have happened. Those things happened in an era when “might was right”. Today even in Saudi, they cannot follow the Quran or Hadiths in toto. There is no place for outdated religious dogmas in today’s world driven by Science and Technology. I also know that the main hurdle in getting rid of the religious dogmas is the West Asian Religions claiming exclusivity for their “gods”! Another interesting aspect is, all religions teach us how to improve the life-here after but none of them teach us how to live on planet earth.

    • s

      “sanjaychoudhry, all these heart burns are due to segregating people into caste, creed, colour, religion, region, etc. We all belong to the same specie called “homo sapien sapien”.”

      Do Hindus need this lesson, or do Christians and Muslims need this lesson in the equality of all humanity? Does Hinduism need lessons in tolerance, aceptance and pluralism? Do Hindus say non-believers will go to hell and treat them as unclean and inferior? Why are you unable to distinguish between the two? Stop barking up the wrong tree. This “equal equal” thing that you are doing between Hindus and desert relgions is irritating. Hinduism has never shown the behaviour pattern of desert religions. Did the Brits and Arabs land in India with their True God or did Hindus invade Arabia and the West, shouting slogans about the supeirority of Hinduism, raping non-Hindu women and sending the looted money back to India?

      The repulsion that you are showing as an atheist for religions does not apply to Hinduism or Buddhism or Sikhism or Shintoism or Jainism or any other Eastern religion. These religions are pure spirituality, with no interest whatsoever in material world.

      By observing the bloody history of Islam and Xianity, you have begun to absue all religions in the world, including Hinduism. This shows your immaturity and lack of depth. It is like throwing the baby out with bathwater. Hinduism is not the kind of religion that these idiots from Arabia and the Goras have turned their own “religions” into. Islam and Xianity are merely political ideologies. Their aim is world conquest and conversion. They are driven by what Anwar Shaikh calls “Dominance Urge.” You are unable to distinguish between pure spirituality based on meditation and looking inwards on one hand, and racist, genocidal, political ideologies wearing the mask of religion, on the other.

      If a neighbour’s son is a thug and murderer (Islam, Xianity), does it mean that we draw the conclusion that “all sons (religions) are bad” and then try to convince everyone to abandon their own sons (religions) because of how much pain the world has gone through due to the neighbour’s bad son (Islam, Xianity)?

      It beggars belief why the ultimate aim of a so-called religion should be conquest of the material world and planting its flag everywhere and killing rest of humanity. By no definition can Islam or Xianity be declared as “religions.” True religions are nothing but pure spirituality. They just reveal insights about the world that cannot be percieved by us through our senses. Religions as the illiterate Arabs and primitive Westerners created never existed in India. These people have created a monster in the name of religion.

      • JGN

        >>>>Hinduism has never shown the behaviour pattern of desert religions …. but what about people like Babu Bajrangi and Dhara Singh? I really felt sorry for the tribals of Orissa fleeing into the forests after the riots borke out in the aftermath of Swami Laxmananda’s killing. Here the problem is, the victims are not the perpetuators of the crime but innocent civilians who had nothing to do with such incidents (I am not restricting here to the riots intitiated by one section of the society alone)!

        Respect the sanctity of life. That is only what I would to tell you all.

  7. JGN

    Sanjay, do we really care for religions except for fighting with each other (and may be for marriages also)? I have sub-ordinates working all over India and they belongs to many castes, religions and regions. Some of them are not able to adjust with members of their own castes/religions but have no problems in adjusting with members of other castes/religions!!

    • s

      Well, if you only tried to convince Muslims and Christians about these truths, maybe the world will be a lot better place. By telling this to the Hindus, you are merely preaching to the converted. Stop preaching virtues of virginity to a rape vicitm.

  8. S

    It seems that JGN is living in a world of his own where the Hindu genocides happened in the distant past (1947 notwithstanding), and one can simply ignore the 1971 massacre in which 2 million Bengali Hindus were murdered by muslims. In JGN’s world, nothing happened in Kashmir in 1980, and the half a million Kashmiri Hindus that are living in camps are doing it just for some kicks. In JGN’s world, there is no SIOE, no cartoon riots, no uniform civil code, no nothing.

    Check out this short movie. Should take you about 15 minutes.

    WARNING : EXTREMELY SHOCKING VIDEO

    http://www.themoviefitna.com/?page_id=47

  9. JGN

    When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion – Robert M. Pirsig, author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

    Imagine a world with no religion. Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Indian partition, no Israeli/Palestinian wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no persecution of jews as ‘Christ-killers’, no Northern Ireland ‘troubles’, no ‘honour killings’, no shiny-suited bouffant-haired televangelists fleecing gullible people of their money. Imagine no Taliban to blow up ancient statues, no public beheadings of blasphemers, no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it – Richard Dawkins in God Delusion.

    • It is useful to temper imagination with actuality

    • VoP

      “When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion”

      Makes sense since that is what Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all about ..people of the book, following dogma that my god is better than yours and such! That is why Sanatana Dharma, Buddhism, Jainism are NOT religions.

      • JGN

        And we have multiple gods; one woman with four hands sitting atop a tiger, one with an elephant’s head, another one travelling atop a peacock, a flying monkey and what not!!

        Probably our ancestors tolerated a lot of non-senses in the name of all paths leading to the same “supreme creator!!

        • Bharat Nair

          JGN Sir,
          It is clear that you are being obedient to “your master’s voice” here.
          Since you have mentioned “our ancestors” in your response; don’t you think you should have the minimum decency to ‘capitalize’ ‘G’ of “multiple gods”.

          • JGN

            Bharat, what difference does it make whether capital letter or small letter is used for an imaginary entity? Any way I did not think of that aspect!

        • >>>“we have multiple gods

          ‘we’ do ?

          But do ‘we’ know each other personally enough for ‘you’ to make such a statement ?

          Or is it more appropriate to talk about yourself ?

          >>>“one woman with four hands sitting atop a tiger, one with an elephant’s head, another one travelling atop a peacock, a flying monkey and what not!

          Nice.
          Must be the effect of imagination that Dawkins was quoted about above.

          You see, in bharatiya samskriti there is place for you too, who have gods such as you mentioned.

          So long as you do not impose them on others.

          The core of bharatiya samskriti, by the way, sees something else in the representation of devas and devis. For example, they may view the feminine energy when they look up at a devi murti, exercising complete control over animal desires of the mind symbolically represented by tiger. And they draw inspiration from that representation to direct their lives towards dharmic living.

          >>>“Probably our ancestors tolerated a lot of non-senses

          ‘our’ anscestors ….?

          Don’t know about that.

          Some people consider as their anscestors, monkeys. Not the flying type BTW.
          It is quite possible that such anscestors may have “tolerated a lot of non-senses “, as you say.

          bharatiya parampara, on the other hand, consider as anscestors the rishiswho wrote the vedas, ramayana, mahabharata and who considered vasudaiva kutumbakam, who realized themselves as brahma.
          That is the lineage from where bharatiya paramparaoriginates.

          But of course, bharatiya samaj has always been accomodative. So, you may find space in this land even though you may trace your anscestry to those who, as you speculated, ‘tolerated a lot of non-senses “.

          BTW, please understand that bharatiya parampara is NOT tolerant of the adharmic . nor of those who reject truth.

          dhanyavaad

  10. S

    VoP, are we talking to an absolute idiot or a Christian or Muslim fundie ?

    • JGN

      S, give the dog a bad name and hang it!! Do you think you only have the sole right to speak for the Hindus in India?

      Have any of you helped any one just because he/she is a Hindu? I have helped many people not because of religion but they belonged to my state (and that includes Hindus, Muslims and Christians also).

    • VoP

      I think this JGN guy is just half baked personality with shallow knowledge on anything. When I said that “people of the book are following dogma that my god is better than yours and such” he replies back saying “And we have multiple gods; one woman with four hands”…

      He basically fails to understand the premise.

      • JGN

        VoP, you know what they are following is dogmas but why do you fail to understand that what we follow is also dogmas?

        • S

          And do enlighten us why you fail to understand that we are not trying to take over their countries, or areas where they are a majority ? Last I checked, it were the Hindus who were murdered and chased out of Kashmir. Last I checked it were the innocent Naga tribals who were converted to 95% Baptists. The Mizo tribals are reduced to 13% in their own state, thanks to the cult of Christianity.

          Now do you get it ?

        • VoP

          > why do you fail to understand that what we follow is also dogmas?

          DOGMAS? Give me few examples please.

          • JGN

            S and VoP, in your eagerness to deride me, you are conveniently forgetting the facts. No Religion is better than the other. No Religion has ever stopped people from committing crimes. Search for “War Crime Tribunal” to know about the atrocities committed by the participants of WW-II, especially by the Japanese, predominently believing in Buddhist non-violence.

            Today’s news papers have reported about the sexual crimes commtted on the hapless Tamil women in Sri Lanka, again by the Sinhalese Buddhist Army, recently. The less we talk about other Religions, the better.

            The way to counter the West Asian dogmas is not to promote equally obscurantist ideologies but promote Rationalism.

            It is easy to convert a “believing hindu” than non-believing hindus like me as we will just laugh off their cooked up stories of heaven and hell. A few months back one couple belonging to Jehova’s Witness had come to our door-steps for preaching. When I asked them some uncomfortable questions, they left murmering something.

            Christianity and Islam are also not monolithic structures as those who do not have any knowledge about these religions think. There are more than 300 sects in Christianity and 73 sects in Islam the world over, some of them fighting with each other. The fight between the followers of “Metran” and “Bawa” in Kerala have been going on for the past several years. The Sunnis and Shiias have been fighting with each other since CE 632.

  11. S

    You are now going way, way off topic. This site is not about how you go about helping people regardless of their religion, nor is it about indulging in fantasies of a world without religion. It is about the clear and present threat that Hindus face in their homeland from two Abrahamic faiths – Islam and Christianity.

  12. Arun

    May i ask who is this “JGN” and why he keeps trolling in the name of …..

  13. JGN

    Incognito, then what about MNS goons beating up pilgrims sleeping out Siddivinayak Temple in Mumbai a couple of days back? Was that also due to the influence of gulf money? There is no end to speculations by the media!

    • >>>“Was that also due to the influence of gulf money?

      what do you think ?
      considering MNS’s well known posture and similar actions before.

      BTW, it is worthwhile to analyze this tendency to seek equivalence in every undesirable incident, all over the world.

      So if somebody talks of dogma in islam and christianity, there is the tendency to seek something similar in indian culture, and if it is not there, to invent some, such as ‘caste system’ equivalent to feudal system, ‘untouchability’ equivalent to slavery in west, by working well beyond the actual and by twisting facts to arrive at contrary meanings.

      What may inspire such tendency could be intellectual laziness and lack of moral courage, driving that person to seek refuge in the cocoon of inaction- by retracting from confronting truth that may impel conscience to take firm stands, through the process of finding an equivalence that can then be used to legitimize the undesirable, such as by saying “Oh, it exists in every society. It is the result of inherent human behaviour.” Or finding justifications such as “People were doing the same thing for centuries. It is nothing new” as reflected in the statement-“Keralites started migrating to other parts of India (Madras, Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta, etc) and later to other parts of the world, even during the British rule. That has nothing to do with who ruled Kerala after independence.“.

      What could be the reason for this moral, intellectual cowardice ?

      It could be the result of influence of western thought- christian/islamist/communist/even capitalist, even though the person himself may not be conscious of the influence, -thought systems that foster the belief that individual thought should be subordinated to collective thought directed by one dogma/god/prophet/book.

      Such dogmatic thought systems encourage laxity in individual thought among people- both the believers as well as those coming under prevalent influence in society. Among the consciously non-believing population affected by such prevailing influence, it fosters the tendency to seek equivalence as a prop to support their inaction.

      namaste

  14. JGN

    Human Condition on the planet is still epitomized by malice and sorrow as exemplified by all the wars, murders, rapes, domestic violence, corruption, sadness, depression and suicide. Malice and sorrow are the direct result of a genetically-encoded instinctual survival program located in the primitive animal brain in the human animal. It is this ancient genetically-encoded program that gives rise to the animal instinctual passions of fear, aggression, nurture and desire that are so evident in human beings.

    • VoP

      Yes, in the name of political ideologies in the garb of religions like ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY!

      “Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror.” – Voltaire

      “Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity.” – Thomas Jefferson

      “There has been only one Christian. They caught him and crucified him — early” – Mark Twain

      http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/famous-quotes-christianity.html

    • bharatiya darshanas say aham brahmasmi.
      That true nature of every person is sat-chit-ananda that every person can realize.

      An unfortunate few under influence of aggrandizing western propaganda abandon such ennobling thoughts and consider themselves as ‘born sinners’ or ‘genetically-encoded human animals’. And suffer, denying themselves realizational bliss.

      That is the tragedy of humanity today.

  15. JGN

    VoP and Incognito, Pl read “Freedom From the Known” by Jiddu Krishnamurti.

    We are at different wave lengths. When I talk about humanbeings, you talk about Muslims and Christians!

  16. VoP

    > We are at different wave lengths. When I talk about humanbeings, you talk about Muslims and Christians!

    No, I replied to what you said – wars, murders, rapes, domestic violence, corruption, sadness, depression and suicide. Look at the primary cause of this and you will be ashamed of your politically correct reply. Focus on the issue at hand ( thread ) instead of deflecting, conflating, obfuscating and giving answers indicating intellectual cowardice.

    Majority of Human beings are Christian and Muslim. With their efforts to convert the rest by hook and crook to their dogmatic fold will continue to make this place less HUMANE!

    http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

    Stop being a coward!

  17. JGN

    VoP, the only way to counter them is to promote rationalism. Though Christianity had an ugly history, they have also reformed over the years. The only religion that refuses to reform is Islam.

    • VoP

      > Though Christianity had an ugly history, they have also reformed over the years.

      How? Don’t give examples of western societies, they have progressed IN SPITE of Christianity as evidenced from quotes above. Christianity has not gotten tolerant over the years; it has merely gotten smarter. You catch more flies with sugar than salt ( salt is also employed as in NE India ) Christian atrocities are well cloaked under the ‘pious’ and hypocritical guise of social service. Christian missionaries are like Vultures who prey on Famine and natural disaster victims of the world.

      Christianity in the East is another story. Oblivious to the western eyes with the help of native brown converted sepoys it’s the same story of americas, africa and such repeated all over again. Why gloss over that? It’s greatest tragedy in the making, please read my blog ENTIRELY to get the picture, their modes and operandi. Start with this..

      On November 6, 1999 Pope John Paul II in his sermon at the Sacred Heart Cathedral of New Delhi, openly stated, “Just as in the first millennium the Cross was planted on the soil of Europe, and in the second on that of the Americas and Africa, we can pray that in the third Christian millennium, a great harvest of faith will be reaped in this vast and vital continent [Asia]”

      • JGN

        The Pope is now more worried about “Sheep stealing” than soul harvesting! The Pope represents only one sect of Christianity and they do not account for more than 50% of Christians worldwide. Yes, all socities progressed inspite of religions.

        • VoP

          So just because he has a minor “worry” it’s time to ease back and indulge in pseudo-secular pontification? You think it’s only the catholics who are out to convert, rape and loot out there. There are all kinds of snakes funded by western churches of all denominations with the assumption that brown natives are “pagans” and godless and it’s time to “Save” them. You have no idea of how this largest and longest criminal enterprise of the World operates. It’s criminal because of the way it hijacks local issues to morph to it’s agenda. If you look at India, Nepal, Sri Lanka every local issue has been hijacked for the Christist cause.

          • “There are all kinds of snakes funded by western churches of all denominations with the assumption that brown natives are “pagans” and godless and it’s time to “Save” them.

            “saving pagans” is a mere ploy, a false facade, as you are doubtless aware, to subjugate the people and replace indigenous culture with their imperialistic culture that will then enable them to wield unlimited power.

            The idiot evangelist and the idiot believer who falls for him are both unaware, willing tools in the hands of the crooks who later emerge to control money and power.

            Africa, notable Rwanda in 1994 is poignant.

            Fellows like JGN have been duped by their yet another tactic- Rational indoctrination. It is useful to know that various denominations of religions apart from ‘-isms’ like rationalism, liberalism, socialism, objectivism, atheism, agnosticism, even science, not to mention capitalism and communism, are all mere tools in the hands of western imperialism, which is adept at using and developing new tools to serve its purpose of achieving complete control over indigenous populace.

            This aggrandizing western imperialism is the real enemy, hidden behind various apparently contradictory and convincing facades.

            JGNs are unfortunately unaware tools in its hands, being used to diminish bharatiya samskriti that is still fighting the western cultural hegemony, a fight that has been going on for some two millenniums at least.

            dhanyavaad

  18. VoP

    If JGN is still lurking around here he should try to read this – how in Tamil Nadu, the Christian funded SUN TV is trying to denigrate Hinduism, it’s utterly shocking!!!

    http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1003

    http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1004

  19. barry

    i have the privilege to work with many hindu and sikh migrants from india, and they shared with me their personal views on islam.
    their grievances against jihadi invaders are almost a carbon copy of comments by iranian and egyptian coworkers as well.
    they had some grievances against colonialist exploitation (but. compliments on the rail transport systems)but that was nothing compared to the bloodshed and rape committed by islam

  20. umang

    Islam is a religion against women with 2nd standard right, the girls should change their religion beliefs for equal rights

  21. What a load of rubbish! you remove all those messages that show that this is a blatent lie and no such book or hadith exists and that you made it up from your dark and deep disgusting mind!? how pathetic…your time shall come and whn it does it shall be a dark and destitute of an abode…

  22. Hindism is a religion which preaches to worship animals eg.. elephants, snakes, cows , rats what more can you say about it ….

    • ss

      Hindus see the image of God in everything. It is stupid to believe that god is supposed to look like a human (that too a male and not a female).

      What about aliens living in other planets in the universe? How would they react to a human-looking god? This shows how limited the conception of God for you people is compared to the vastness of the universe.

    • Satya

      Christianity is a religion which preaches to worship a dead man on a pair of crossed sticks. Don’t know about you, but I would rather worship live animals than a dead man…

    • Vineet Bhardwaj

      Dear Judes

      Honestly comprehending Hindu way of thought process in seeing god in every form and every form being worthy of worship is BEYOND you.

      So please stop making fun of something which you cannot even understand.

      Regards

  23. Allah means God in Hebrew Elloh God . But Mohammad made it bad name he used Allah name to rape and loot . He was very clever on name of Allah
    he made Gang (Muslim followers) and told them to loot , rape of other who
    is not in gang i.e Kafir . God (Allah) will never forgive him for his dees . Quran tells itself that before it same book was ther in the world by different name , its means Quran is copied from those books and bible with injection of some evil ayats that would help to make a man(his followers) evil . Allah (God) please keep him in fire . Aamin ! Because Mohammad is respossible for all murders of now a day .

  24. pls be aware of the hell fire

    u all hate Mohammad (p.b.u.h) but he loved non Muslims through out his life ….worrying for them…to make them understand the concept of one god but kuffars left no stone unturned in laying their atrocities ..i have been through all the links given above they do not match the correct hadith…pls stop misguiding people and be aware of the wrath of allah which u people are inviting without completely studying the book of religion…
    beware of the hell fire

    • Indian Realist

      There is no Allah, you moron.

    • “pls be aware of the hell fire” this isn’t a muslim, that’s a statement made by someone making fun of muslims. A muslim wouldn’t use net abbreviations and make a warning like that, it’s not their religious style. They would say something like, “Mohammed is Allah’s prophet” or “The Koran is true” something serious sounding and reverent and more dramatic, not begging like, “oh would you pls do this, pls fear hellfire wud u?”.

      http://eternian.wordpress.com/tag/muslims

  25. talha

    Kuffars you people have not read the quran or hadith properly. When you will be gathered at the day of judgement your coackroaches idol who can,t even watch pogo will laugh at you and. say we didn,t knew why we were created and we did not knew that they will worship us. You are summumbukmunumyun. Wish I could get chance to kill you as you have done touhi2nerisalat but will do when when Muslims will rip your heads off.R.I.Grave.

    • Your God says, “Jude not lest you be judged. Condemn not lest you be condemned. For with the judgment you use shall you be judged, and with the measure you use shall you be measured. (For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. – James) … Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.” – Yeshua, your Judge.

    • When you stop worshiping a rock, doing a vile thing by kissing it, and when you stop making Muhammad a mere, a murderer and false prophet, a mere man with narcissism disorder the equal of God, and when you yourself have been forgiven of your sins and have done what is righteous, then you may judge.

      “For no good for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thornbushes, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush. The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. … If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. … Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age.” – Yeshua, your Judge

      And just as your own book of contradictions and lies says, all Muslims will go to Hell.

      http://eternian.wordpress.com/tag/muslims

  26. TheTruth

    SUCH LIES AND DELIBERATE MISINTERPRETATIONS AND DELIBERATE MISTRANSLATIONS OF THESE HADITH

    Learn Arabic and stop translating and interpreting things how u desire.
    you would not go to a Jew to learn about worshiping Jesus(pbuh),
    so why go to a fool who has no knowledge of arabic or Islam to learn about it? This is a deliberate attempt to spread hatred by so called “lovers of peace”

    The only point in these hadith by the final Prophet(pbuh) here is;

    *** whether you perform this type of “birth control” or not.. every human being to be born is predetermined by the One GOD. There is no mention of rape in public or private or how to go about raping. All forms of force and adultery are major sins in Islam and the other Semitic religions.

    When you cannot find fault in Islam you foolishly create faults through falsehood.

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