Ilaiah’s wet dream: “Our god is true, your god is false” is spiritual democracy!

Dalit Freedom Network
P. O. Box 2174 Secunderabad, Andhra Pradesh – 500003, India www.dalitnetwork.org Email dfndelhi@gmail.com

Dr. Joseph D’souza – International President

For Press Release
Post Hindu India by Kancha Ilaiah Released
21st Century Discourse on Dalit Bahujan, Socio-Spiritual and Scientific Revolution in India

New Delhi, November 26, 2009

In a historic gathering of campaigners for Dalit Bahujan (India’s “untouchables” and lower castes) human rights, Dr. Alana Golmei, a Rongmei Naga tribal woman from North East India released Dr. Kancha Ilaiah’s book last evening at Gulmohar, India Habitat Centre, New Delhi. Following a short press conference, a panel discussion featured leading Dalit-Bahujan thinkers interacting on the themes of the book.

While congratulating the author, Dr. Alana said, “I am delighted to release such profound and revolutionary book, which predicts the future of my people and Dalit Bahujans at large, who have been classified as outcastes and untouchable by Brahminical hierarchies and kept under socio-political, socio-economic, socio-religion and socio-educational oppression for last 3000 years. Kancha’s ideology will create a welcome debate and discussion in the coming decade on these important issues of true freedom for Dalit Bahujans.”

Research scholars, students, civil society members, social workers, politicians, Dalit activists, and journalists — both national and international — attended the book launch and joined the two hour panel discussion. Mr. Yogendra Makwana, Former Home Minister of Gujarat state, chaired the discussion. Panelists included: Prof. Gail Omvedt, an American-born scholar, sociologist, and human rights activist who is an Indian citizen; Dr. Joseph D’souza, International President of the Dalit Freedom Network; Dr. Udit Raj, National Chairman of the All India Confederation of SC/ST Organisations; Prof. Valerian Rodrigues, School of Social Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi; and Mr. Vivek Mehra, Managing Director of Sage Publications.

Dr. Joseph D’souza, in his panel discussion remarks, said, “Kancha’s book, “Post-Hindu India” is the greatest 21st century challenge to the Brahminical portion of Hindu society. It rationally questions and respectfully reveals the caste apartheid facing untouchables, outcastes and the oppressed majority of India.”

In his remarks, Professor Kancha Ilaiah said, “Any religion that says all human beings, men and women are created by God equally is a spiritual democracy. Hinduism says all human beings — men and women — are not equally created. They were born unequal, live unequal, and die unequal. I call this spiritual fascism.”

Professor Dr. Kancha Ilaiah teaches in the Department of Political Science, Osmania University, Hyderabad. He won the prestigious London Institute of South Asia (LISA) Award for 2008 for his book “Why I am Not a Hindu” and has provided expert testimony to commissions in India and abroad about the Dalit Bahujan struggle.

“The oppressive system of spiritual fascism is detrimental to the future of religion and the flourishing of our great nation. The idea of spiritual justice or varnadharma, used to justify the caste system, as rooted in spiritual inequality is the main factor that will affect the future of Hinduism,” said Prof. Kancha.

As Dalit Bahujans continue to struggle against spiritual fascism and search for equality and liberation, the nation seems to be heading toward a civil war, predicted Prof. Kancha. He cited American civil war history, “Racism of black and white in America came to end but only at the end of civil war. I hope we can avoid this.”

The event was organised by Dalit Freedom Network in partnership with Sage Publications. Dr. Kancha Ilaiah serves on the Advisory Board of the Dalit Freedom Network.

The Dalit Freedom Network (www.dalitnetwork.org), is a non-partisan, non-government human rights organization founded in 2002 to support the Dalit Bahujan quest for religious freedom, social justice, and human dignity through projects in education, health care, economic advancement, and social justice advocacy and intervention.

Sage Publications is an independent, international publisher of books, journals, and electronic media with offices in India, London, and the United States. Known for a commitment to quality and innovation, Sage is a world leader in scholarly, educational, and professional markets. See excerpt below about the book.

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About the Book “Post-Hindu India” by Kancha Ilaiah
From: http://www.sagepub.in/browse/book.asp?b … 422&mode=1

Kancha Ilaiah, the author of the best selling book Why I am Not a Hindu, pens a thought-provoking critique of Brahmanism and the caste system in India, while anticipating the death of Hinduism as a direct consequence of, what he says is, its anti-scientific and anti-nationalistic stand.

This work challenges Hinduism`s interpretation of history, with a virulent attack on caste politics, and also takes a refreshing look at the necessity of encouraging indigenous scientific thought for the sake of national progress. It establishes Hinduism as a `backward` religion that suppresses the latent scientific and productive potential of the Dalit–Bahujan communities. The author says this oppressive system of spiritual fascism is detrimental to both the future of religion and the nation-state. He thus criticizes the idea of spiritual justice or varnadharma, used to justify the caste system, as rooted in spiritual inequality.

On a micro-analytical level, it is based on a thorough study of the productive knowledge systems of the Dalit–Bahujan communities of Andhra Pradesh, and provides a detailed day-to-day analysis of the scientific technological processes and events at work in the life of a member of these communities. On a macro level, it shows how Hinduism fails to negotiate between faith and reason, unlike other major religions of the world.

Kancha Ilaiah critiques the intellectual imagination of the dominant communities and inspires the marginalized. In the process of doing so he crafts a work of immense socio-political interest which appeals to academics, and also to all those who are concerned about contemporary India`s polity and social fabric.

This is an example of the Christian network in action with the hidden hand of the Whites. Some Indians, after smoking the weed of Semitic Faiths, have turned traitor to the land and cheer-leaders of the Arabs or whites, depending on from where they consumed the weed. (This occurs in every country, not only in India.)

First, caste system as it exists today is an invention of the British (who too have been smoking the weed of the Church). “Dalit” is a new word coined by a church-linked Maharashtra NGO in 1970s to give an artificial but common identity to unrelated social groups spread all over India. (The churchies are experts at creating false identities to suit their political moves — just ask the Rawandans.)

Second, Ilaiah, and indeed most Muslims and Christians, suffer from a mental disease in which you are unable to reconcile your actions with your exalted claims and hence begun to project your anti-humanity rabidity onto others. (It is like when you see your face in the mirror, you find a monster staring back at you; so to maintain your sanity, you begin to claim that what you actually see in the mirror is your neighbour, not you.) There is a psychological term for this tendency of projecting one’s own disease onto others, but I cannot remember it at the moment.

Ilaiah — who for some strange reason hides the fact that he is a Christian — is a victim of this projection. Errr… Hinduism is “spiritual fascism”? I thought its central tenet is that all beliefs are true and lead to the same destination and that there should be no middle-man between man and god. If this is spiritual fasicsm, then I am the pope.

Real spiritual fasicism is the world of crusades and jihad, of cursing the rest of humanity to go to hell, of treating non-believers as unclean and unhuman, of rattling swords and shouting “our god is true, your god is false,” of invading other lands and slaugthering women and children in the name of your allegedly true god. If Chritianity was a spiritual democracy, Red Indians would still be alive and American Blacks would still be living in Africa, not in America. Ilaiah must have been smoking church pot when he wrote this.

Christianity treats all non-Christians as dalits, persecutes them, refuses to have any relation with them in this life and denies heaven to them after death, burning them in hell fire for all eternity — this is what is spiritual facism of global proportion. For Christians, every non-Christian is a dalit. Ditto for the Muslims.

However, the government should take note of this mischief of church agents of trying to radicalise a section of Indian population and trigger a civil war by constant propaganda and bogus scholarship. I am suprised that there is even an American White “Dalit liberator” who has been granted Indian citizenship.

As for that Gujarati politican and that publishing house trader who attended this conference of Christians, their respective backsides should be beaten with shoes by the Hindus.

Here is my answer to Ilaiah:

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25 responses to “Ilaiah’s wet dream: “Our god is true, your god is false” is spiritual democracy!

  1. Dalit

    Fear grips brahminical forces in india after the publication of Kancha Ilaiah’s new book. The dalits in this country are not interested in the brahminical theroy that all gods are true & all are gods, rather they want a society where every man and women live in equality , they want a society where mythical theories of karma have no place for exploitation. The million dollar question is whether brahmins are ready to shed their superiority complex? If they continue to belive in the varnadharma, no amount of attack on islam and christianity, on whites and arabs is going to help their religion.
    The dalits are awakened! they can understand the theories of different religions, they know which is useful to them, which is harmful to them. Brahmins can not fool them any more by blaming americans, britishers, arabs, persians and all other races in this world for the caste system. Don’t think dalits are fools to swallow your new theorems of the origins of caste system.Only your scared Vedas, Gita, manu’s work etc. support the varnadharma and no scripture of any other race/religion support it. If you want to save your religion, you have no option but to delete the verses that support this inhuman system from your sacred scriptures and enter into marriage with people you consider lower castes ie, a brahmin should not marry any other brahmin, but a person considered lower by brahmins. Similarly the upper castes should marry only a lower caste person. This is the only way to save your religion. Are you ready for this for the sake of your religion? Do you truely love your religion than your caste superiority complex? The answers to these questions hold the key to the survival of your religion.

    • sanjaychoudhry

      There is no such thing as Dalits and there is nothing as “Brahamanical forces” either. Get off the Gora chillum that you have been smoking.

    • Santosh Kumar

      I am against caste system, but have come to understand that inequality is the fundamental law of nature and exists in every society, country and species.

      Hinduism is perhaps the only social structure that segregates people on the basis of their work and not birth, but slowly it became by birth. There are barriers in marriage and social mixing every where in the world and they will always remain unless we all become robots.

      But my dear friends the best way to fight inequality is to first accept it, then rise based on your own strength. Laws in India are very strong in favour of lower castes, make use of those and ….most importantly stop begging the government to do this or that….the day you stop begging for reservations you will become equal with everyone.

      This Kancha is an enemy of dalits and wants them to remain downtroddednn forever and is trying to put more hatred in them not suggest changes that will make them strong.

      • Vicjags

        True.. as someone said here before…”No one can make someone feel as a Dalit, it’s in his own hands”… Reservation system that continues even after 65 years is nothing but a Government approval on the practice of Caste system.. Rather than being proactive we are marching backwards by belittling merit..

        • JGN

          According to Wiki, there are separate seats, separate communion cups, burial grounds, and churches for members of the lower castes, especially in the Roman Catholic Church. Catholic churches in India are largely controlled by upper caste Priests and nuns. Presently in India, more than 70 per cent of Catholics are Dalits, but the higher caste Catholics (30% by estimates) control 90 per cent of the Catholic churches administrative jobs. Out of the 156 catholic bishops, only 6 are from lower castes.

          • Vicjags

            JGN, you very well know what my answer will be.. We have gone over this many times before and as usual I’m going to call a spade a spade.. Actually caste distinctions aren’t common not just in the Catholic churches, but happens unofficially in most Churches and Christian groups.. Let me quote a recent incident

            I’m not regular to church and usually listen to the message online, but last tuesday felt an urge to praise and worship the Lord along with other believers in Christ…So attended mid week service and the pastor preached a beautiful sermon on Unity in Christ from Ephesisans chapter 4, which deals with deep theological truths of how all humanity is co-joined in One body, One Spirit, One faith, One God, One father etc..

            After hearing a powerful sermon, i felt immediately dejected as a group of ladies were gossiping about a proposed marriage between a erstwhile Brahmin bride and a scheduled caste groom…Such is the mindset of some members even in Non-denominational churches and that too minutes after listening to a sermon on a bible verse which explains how Christ brought all of us who differ in caste, race, skills and talents under one Spirit..

            And yes, the discrimination seems to be more overt in some Catholic churches (definitely not all)… But unlike you I’m not interested in fighting for greater representation fordalits among Bishops and priests.. I hate the very idea of priests/ bishops and common man… I will rather follow the Bible and have realized the implications of the new covenant with Jesus..

            Going by the Bible, today there are 7 billion potential saints and bishops who can have direct Spirit to Spirit contact with their creator, so fighting for equal representation of ‘dalits” in Church administration is no concern for me..New Testament clearly differentiates between visible church and invisible church and the affairs of the visible church made of stone and cement is the realm of power mongering political Christianity….

            – Vicjags

    • Sidhardh

      Mr Dalit, live in your dreams, people like you and Kancha existed not just 3000 years but more than that, but Hindu dharma never declined and will not. Your comments just shows your ignorance and arrogance.. get a life.

  2. S

    Great article ! The Nagas are now Baptist fundies. Vatican has chosen to start over in South India and Central India. Other Protestant orders are also getting active in different parts, but the fundie Baptists of Nagaland won’t let them operate into their territory. It means a loss of revenue, and jebus knows the pastors need their hooch and food. The sex of course is free in the convents. Give me atheism or Scientology anyday.

  3. Satender

    Dalits are not awakened, their barking qualities have definitely gone up a notch via church fronts. While rest of us( brahmins and people like me, non brahmin Hindus) have worked hard to achieve something in life, some dalits continue to wallow in self pity and want paki pakai kheer (quotas etc).

    Guilt tripping orgies wont work – hai we were oppressed and blah, maa ki ch*t baaki Hindu ko koi special treatment mili hai under muslim and british oppression, baaki Hindu kya trance party karte the ya palaces mein rehte the. Itna conscience jaag gaya hai toh chorrh do reservations ko and merit pe compete kar ke dikhao. Just because we do not respond to nonsense against brahmins does not mean we are in agreement with them. If dalits think abusing Brahmins will gladden other varnas, they are dead wrong.

    62 saal swantantar hue ho gaye in bhootniwaalon mein ek nikli mayawati usne bhi inka ch*tiya kaat diya. Not one dalit opposes her bhrastachaar. Bas blame karne ke liye dhoondhte rehte hai, kabhi bamano ko kabhi kisi aur ko apne andar jhaank ke dekho pehle saalo. Baounkna kutte ki aadat hai naa ki manav ki, bande ban jao aur mehnat karna seekho.

  4. JGN

    Dalit, Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent. ~Eleanor Roosevelt …. neither the Brahmins (or other upper caste hindus) have two horns nor the “dalits” have a tail to be ashamed of. We all are bestowed with the same faculties.

    No govt, anywhere in the world can spoon feed every section of the society. It is for the individuals to strive for improving his and his family’s lot. Kancha Ilaiah has sold his “soul” for a few kgs of rice and cheap American milk powder. So it has no meaning when he writes a book saying why he is not a Hindu!!! There is no “blasphamy law” in India to punish those who accept another “religion”. Who has stopped you guys from following the fake West Asian gods??

  5. VoP

    Post Hindu India!? So the Hindus are killed or converted? I can see that coming from Kancha Ilaiah, infamous for fighting for a homeland for Christ ( “Nagalim for Christ” ). I guess this is Scenario A that Shri Rajiv Malhotra describes. It’s time Hindus woke up fully from their slumber!

    https://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/rajiv-malhotra-on-where-is-india-in-the-encounter-of-civilisations/

  6. N

    We need to stop using the word Dalit which was invented by the churches. This is a new identity created to fracture society.

    • Anonymous

      Dalit is a Hindu word- it is used to describe the historically oppressed sections. Missionaries may hav epopularized it. May be they did not like Gandhi’s Harijan. Gandhi used Harijan to describe the oppressed section- which implies that they are God’s children. If they are God’s children, what about the others? We should STOP labeling people as this or that.

      Our social system may have created castes, but our political system is ensuring that the caste system will prevail. Interesting, in India we even have Christian, Muslim, and Buddhist Dalits; whereas, in Paksitan and Bangladesh, we don’t even have Hindu-Dalits. Caste system is a blunder of Hindu scociety. Ensuring its survival through caste based quota is a bigger blunder. The biggest of all blunders is those who have advanced using caste based quota (creamy layer) are not willing to give it up!

  7. S

    Agree 100% with you N. We need to point out that this word is a fabrication of the fundamentalist churches, and has no mention at all in Indian history. Do look at Raul John Paul (AKA Rahul Gandhi) going for the so-called “Dalits” by having dinner at their places. I know plenty of poor Brahmins who live in mud huts, but this True Christian will not go there. His objective is to focus on the tribals, the most vulnerable and uneducated people, rather than educated classes.

  8. gajanan

    The word Dalit in Hebrew means drawing water. It is generally a female name in Israel.
    See the web site below
    http://www.babyhold.com/list/Hebrew_Baby_Names/Dalit/details/
    This was a very interesting find in google. Now this drawing water meaning has a lot of significance.
    From Monier Williams dictionary web site and meaning below
    http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/monier/

    दल्

    (H1) दल् [p= 471,2] [p= 471,1] [L=90700]
    (= √ दॄ) cl.1. °लति (pf. ददाल Bhat2t2. xiv ; aor. pl. अदालिषुर् , xv) to crack , fly open , split , open (as a bud) Sus3r. ii , 16 Sis3. ?? ix , 15 Bha1m. i , 4 Amar. Gi1t. Dhu1rtas. : Caus. दालयति , to cause to burst Sus3r. Bhat2t2. : दल्° id. , Anargh. Gi1t. i , 8 Sch. ;

    to expel Ma1lati1m. viii , 1 Katha1s. lviii , 8 ;

    cii , 58 ;

    cf. अव- , उद्- , वि-.

    typed in Dalit in the search , there was no such word listed. Please try yourself on the web site listed above ( I may be wrong on this). I have tried several web sites in the http://sanskrit.inria.fr/portal.html
    Dal is there , bit there is no Dalit coming up.

    Now the Hebrew word meaning drawing water and also given as female name is extremely thought provoking.

    Here is another web site
    http://judaism.about.com/od/hebrewname1/tp/names_gd.htm

    which gives the following meaning

    Dalit

    Dalit means “to draw water” or “branch.”

    Here they have added branch as an additional meaning than the first web site cited. I have searched many Sanskrit fonts , but the full meaning of Dalit does not come out in search. Only Dal comes up. Monier Williams has been invoked as most of the writers refer to the Monier Williams translation. There are different meanings attached to Dal in the Monier Williams dictionary.
    The web site which says a branch or drawing water
    is very convincing.

    Till the Industrial revolution agriculture was the main activity of human beings. Water was the most sought after ( even now) . I have conjectural approach . During Mahatma Phule’s time in the 19th century , there were a branch of people who were not allowed to draw water from the elite class, who had feudal hold on farmlands. Since the word Dalit does not pop up in search of Sanskrit dictionary. A branch of people not allowed to draw water from a feudal class looks the best fit for the meaning of Dalit. This is an interesting word and it needs a lot of research for interpretation. I may be wrong on this , but combining the meaning of “dal”in Sanskrit and compromising with “it’ does not look rigorous.

  9. Raja Krsnan

    Kancha’s books is nothing but pure hatred. any idea based on hatred and untruth cannot succeed. he does not even know the topic he writes about. that is clearly evident from the example below:

    In his remarks, Professor Kancha Ilaiah said, “Any religion that says all human beings, men and women are created by God equally is a spiritual democracy. Hinduism says all human beings — men and women — are not equally created. They were born unequal, live unequal, and die unequal. I call this spiritual fascism.”

    This particular statement applies more to christianity and islam. i think kancha needs to read
    the bible and quran first before making any kind of stupid statement.

    the statement “our god is true, yours is false” is defnitely come from a pea-brained one like kancha. That reminds me of an ad where a small girl says “My Daddy is Stronger”.

    kancha is funded primarily by the missionaires and rabid islamists whom he considers as his allies.

    a man must be judged by the friends he keeps. that speaks clearly about this hate-monger kancha.

  10. Anonymous

    why the hell a converted christian is writing such things..,….he was interested with the chirstanity and he got convereted there ends the matter…….why he is attacking the hinduism…….if it was in arab countries person against islam we would know what would have been done to him…luckyly this fellow is in india…and as hindus are non voilent he is safe…….why the hell upper caste people of hinduism getting convereted it not only dalits………this is all chain marketing MLM religion………all the beggers going out of hindism

    • Anonymous

      You asked one question but I’ll give you answer for three..

      1) Why the hell a converted christian is writing such things??

      Bcoz he is playing a gimmick and tries to gain popular applause through his book “Why I’m not a Hindu” mimicking Bertrand russell who wrote “Why I’m not a Christian”.. The fellow attacks a straw man and gains false victory by portraying as if everything in Hinduism hangs around Caste ystem..

      2) Why the hell has your blog owner posted this article here??

      Bcoz he wanted to play the game to support his own agenda.. Now this fellow starts with his own assumption of what is Christianity and who a Christian is and brings out his own imaginary discrimination based on the lines of Christian and Non- christian… He continues from where illiah left, but in a diagonally opposite direction.

      3) Why the hell did you refer all Christian converts as Beggars ??

      Bcoz you cannot bear upper caste Hindus leaving your religion.. But unfortunately the so called “upper caste Hindu beggars” who convert to Christianity are the ones who seem to have greater access to Hindu Vedas, Upanishads and philosophical expositions and when they understand the truth behind your “democratic idiocracy”, these beggars leave your fold never to return back.. See you yourself admitted that even beggars can’t stand your foolish Hindu beliefs.. It’s high time you do some serious thinking.. 😛

  11. niraj

    Both MLM and the people who sell Religion do have alot in common.

    Both promise you alot. Although I consider myself a Christian I am well aware of the so called (wolves in sheeps clothing) characters who have no problem using religion as a way to get rich.

    There is no need for people to purchase all these aids or participate in these events that costs hundreds of rupees to attend. Reading the Bible will answer alot of your questions. Common Sense.

    MLM also promise you a way of getting rich and living the good life with little investment until you get into it. There is no magic bullet. If you want to excel you have to pay the price.
    My opinion is that most people who get into these MLM scemes are those who are already hurting and are looking for a way to supplement their income.
    Here comes the MLM wolf who makes everything better if you join up. You then have to buy a certain amount each month for yourself, before you can sign others up and when you find a certain number of other suckers to do the same thing you did then the cost of your overpriced product will be offset, and anymore suckers you sign up or any suckers that sign up under the suckers that you signed up then you will start earning money and different levels of status.
    No matter what you want to call it or how you want to dress it up its still shaped like a pyramid. (If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck it’s a duck)

    In both cases MLM & Religion seem to pray upon those of less fortune for the most part. Until these people are milked dry and then it’s too bad things didn’t work out for you but if you get a little more money and we can relieve you of it don’t hesitate to call. We are here to make more promises to you. Both should be ashamed of themselves.

    Wake up people, God in all his wisdom gave you a brain, USE IT make these people get out and get real jobs.

    Say no when they start asking you for your hard earned money.
    You don’t pay for religion it’s a free gift, you give 10% to your local church of choice as an obedience to god.

    When a MLM ask you to invest in a product so you can sell it to others, relize you are the customer he is selling to.
    If he wants you to sell for him, tell him to put you on the payroll as an employee and pay you to sell his product. Not tell you how to spend your money you may not even like the product yourself.

    • JGN

      Niraj, who will make the dyed-in-the-wool faith heads understand this? All Religions teach us how to better the prospects in the (imaginary) life hereafter but none of them teaches ushow to live on planet earth.

  12. Harbans Lal Badhan

    The Untouchables (Dalits) of India want economic, social, political, religious and educational equality in Society, not in the eyes of God.”
    (Harbans Lal Badhan)

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