Indus Valley’s financial exchange system

Here is more proof about the greatness of the Indus Valley Civilisation, from which all Hindus have decended and from which they are linked by an unbroken chain through history. As the inheritors of this grandest and most sophisticated ancient civlisation the world has ever seen, it is our duty to nurture and protect everything — religion, culture, language, traditions, thought — that has come to us from it.

Indus Valley’s Bronze Age civilisation ‘had first sophisticated financial exchange system’
The Indus Valley’s Bronze Age civilisation may have developed the world’s first sophisticated system of wage labour, financial exchange and measurement, a Canadian mathematician has discovered.

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  1. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    Ok agreed Sir , Indus valley people were like you worshiping a lot of idols . If so you please bring some thing from that and suggest the world as yours for the modern day probelem suffered by everybody including you.
    Thank You
    Siraj

    • sanjaychoudhry

      Get rid of your habit of worshipping Arabs and providing your women for their harems. All of you worship the biggest idol in the world — Kaba (a block of broken stone). Some of you charlatans worship graves and wipe your arse with stones after crapping (when you are not busy stoning policemen or women).

    • JGN

      Siraj, then go to the web of “Actual Freedom – the third alternative”. You will get more enlightened.

  2. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    Sorry ! If I hurt you in my words was not my intention . My point was let someone bring some idea for everyone in the world can accept reasonably, rather than things in the past.
    Siraj

  3. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    VoP,
    I think you are right on my connection with Indus Valley, I wish we find time soon to discuss on the killings..etc. I am not impressed with any SE concept at all . Because it is not simply the method for mankind to do the trade and commerce I think . We take such sytem when we dont have anything of our own.
    I am not sure you agree with me on man kind is actually not progressing instaed the opposite happening. Just as our previous generations were better with peace,security and trust..etc which materials not be able to replace (which we try to do now). My question do you find anything from Indus Vally stuff to recomend for us now? it is about finance I cant belive they had good finance and bad life style.
    Siraj

  4. JGN

    Siraj,

    >>>>man kind is actually not progressing>>>>>so you want to go back to the seventh century Arabia and create a kaliphate? Iravatam Mahadevan is an authority on Indus Valley Civilization. Pl search web for his research papers.

  5. JGN

    My dear Sanjay, hindus did not descend from Indus Valley nor is there any unbroken chain of history. The Indus valley civilization was completely destroyed for reasons still unknown. Even all the Seals found there have not yet been diciphered. It is now more or less proven that modern humanbeings originated in Africa and spread to other parts of the world. The migration was from Africa to India and then to other parts of the world and not into India (by the so-called Aryans from Central Asia). Traces of civilizations even older than Indus Valley have been found in many parts of South India (especially TN

    • sanjaychoudhry

      You are wrong. Read more.

      • JGN

        You mean to say that like the followers of West Asian Religions, we also should believe that some “Vishwakarma” created the earth and everything in the same?

    • >>>” hindus did not descend from Indus Valley “

      where did the word hindu come from ?

      >>>” It is now more or less proven that modern humanbeings originated in Africa and spread to other parts of the world.

      Just as it was proven earlier that Aryans invaded India ?

      • JGN

        sanjaychoudhry and Incognito, I had mixed up Indus Valley with Harappa and Mohun-Jo-Daro. The reference to Iravatam Mahadevan given above also pertains to Harappa.

        Yes, there is some continuity with Indus Valley civilization but they were not the sole repository of the civilization in India. There are equally important ancient literatures in Tamil also.

        The word hindu does not appear in any of our ancient scriptures. The term was used by the Zorashtrians for describing those who lived in the vicinity of Indus. Hinduism is not a religion in its narrow sense. It is a conglomeration of various beliefs and even non-belief.

  6. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    JGN,
    Yes I think it is right if I go to the right place for the rigt thing. JGN what you think is the right action there? Is it Indus Valley?
    Before I go to the web , the freedom /actual freedom for me is I am free from all man/power/money/materials/entities except from the creator and I remain free if choose to live the good life shown by him.
    Do you have any thing better in the website you think?

    • JGN

      Siraj, you are barking at the worng tree. So far as I am concerned, there is no “creator”. Who has shown the “good life”? The Quran was the concoction of Mohammed to motivate his followers (with all those rewards in the Paradise or cruel punishments in the hell, etc).

      I need not wait till the “last day of judgement” for getting wine, women, water, fruits, etc. I can get all these things of planet earth itself. The poor fellow could not think of anything better even in the Paradise!!

      And if you are “free from all man/power/money/materials/entities except from the creator ” you would not have got agitated when somebody has written about Indus Valley civilization. Of ocurse there is no relevance to the financial system of Indus Valley today when funds can be transferred to any part of the world thru RTGS (Real Time Gross Settlement) or we can draw cash from thousands of ATMs across the world.

      • Abdul Hakam Siraj

        JGN,
        If there is no relevence today why do you want to bring the subject now and not RTGS. Is it better to have both the valley stuff and the RTGS and what not, people understand nothing from it and do anything?

        • sanjaychoudhry

          “JGN what you think is the right action there? Is it Indus Valley?”

          What are you babbling about?

        • JGN

          My dear Siraj, learn from history and look forward to the future unbiased. While there is no harm in taking proud our culture and civilization, we should not rest on past laurels. You also share the same culture and civilization as rest of Indians. You have not become an Arab by worshipping their Moon god. Today’s world is much better than what existed centuries back.

  7. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    JGN,
    Thank you JGN! We are now with many people claiming unbaised but all of them are against each other also,so who is unbaised really? I am happy about ourself but not proud because many people on the planet diffrent from me and I dont want to think they are inferior to me as you know I am not sitting while I am walking.
    I did not find it difficult to be Indian because I am a Muslim.I know there are people who are right to be wrong on others . Every thing you see works till an appointed time and everything is a sign and a proof, same thing shown in some scripts and history , only blessed people get the right meaning.The one who missed it is the ultimate misfortune no matter who he was.

    Chanukah Sameach !

    • sanjaychoudhry

      “I did not find it difficult to be Indian because I am a Muslim.”

      Really? Which part of ancient Indian culture do you admire?

    • JGN

      Siraj, I think Osama Bin Laden is one of those “blessed people”!! I do not treat those “scriptures” more serious than Gulliver’s Travels or Aesop’s Fables or Panchatantra. I will not believe that birds and animals in India were speaking in Sanskrit after reading Panchatantra.

      No other Country will accept you (except for creating problems in our Country) without a valid Passport issued by the Govt of India. You are an Indian first and last. So it is immaterial which religion you follow.

  8. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    Sanjay,
    I want to go by right and wrong for my self and call that as realistic.

  9. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    JGN,
    I think I have done what I know is the right thing for the situation and the remaining is not in my reach .
    Thank you for your time.
    Siraj

  10. JGN

    Sanjay, there is a story in our language about a goldsmith passing on the trade secrets to his son when was about to die. He told his son, look when …………(name of a caste) gives you gold for making ornaments, given them jewellery of equal weight but add 20% copper so that you can take the equivalent gold as they are very clever, and for …………..(name of another caste), give pure gold but of 20% less in weight and tell them that some gold has been lost while making ornaments. They are very straight forward people and will believe you. Then his son asked, how much should I return to …………….(name of another caste) at which the old man got angry and asked his son “if you reutrn the gold to them, what would you eat?”

    Same way there are different strategies devised by the great aalim Dr. Zakir Naik for explaining to non-muslims who have some knowledge of Islam, those who do not have any knowledge of Islam, etc!!

  11. Anonymous

    JGN and Sanjay,
    The whole thing is based on a very clear and resonable guidence.The one who accepted the truth will get neverending joy and comfort and the one who turn down the truth will be in the ultimate misfortune which is never ending do not accept excuse /compansation/blame/ recomendation.It is NOT 11months term or “Punar Janma “. Shaitan is the sworn enemy of mankind whoever accepted him as master will get cheated never succeed.
    Imagine a system of justice doing all possible bad things and misguiding as many people as possible and claim superiority over birth in a tribe/land and inheritence of script ?and claim reward for all these ? What an allegation to God? .The worst earthly dictator would not have done that so far.The future is reserved only for good people who beleived and deeds are according to God and identified God as One and only/ultimate/strong/ never fail and followed the right at any time in the light/dark /open/ hidden . The one who submitted who accepted self as weak /can fail/can perish are the real intelligent people. Only a few people will be selected no Jokes fellows!It is not his problem actually it is ours.Please take it, dont leave it . The light cannot be shunned with anything only a wasting lifetime.
    May evry one be good and lucky
    Siraj

    • JGN

      Siraj, have you read The Quran in a language you fully understand or you know only what your mad mullahs taught you? Nothing survives death. Death is THE END. Pl don’t blow yourself up or blow others for getting rewards in an imaginary life hereafter.

      Have you seen any Mullahs or their sons/daughters blowing themselves up “in the cause of Allah”? If they believed in all those rewards awaiting them in the Paradise, they would have been the first to become suicide bombers. Btw don’t argue with these kafirs. Allah has sealed the hearts of the non-believers!!!

      • Abdul Hakam Siraj

        JGN,
        I have understood that I can’t understand anything completely I only try to get the best.
        Both the stock and the one who stocked will end . You said is THE END, I would say it is the end of the chance for one to become rightous.
        I have not seen Mullas or family members blowing themself up,the guidence does not lead anyone that way.Whoever left the guidence and acted on own accord are the one who strayed.
        Quran16/125.
        Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

        • JGN

          >>>>>>>Whoever left the guidence and acted on own accord are the one who strayed>>>>>> then pl go to Afghanistan and Pakistan and teach the virtues of your Religion to the Talibanis. Proof of pudding is in eating. Any amount of Sermon on the Mountain is going to serve any purpose when we can see the activities of the followers of “Religion of Peace” the world over, day in and day out.

  12. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    JGN and Sanjay,
    The whole thing is based on a very clear and resonable guidence.The one who accepted the truth will get neverending joy and comfort and the one who turn down the truth will be in the ultimate misfortune which is never ending do not accept excuse /compansation/blame/ recomendation.It is NOT 11months term or “Punar Janma “. Shaitan is the sworn enemy of mankind whoever accepted him as master will get cheated never succeed.
    Imagine a system of justice doing all possible bad things and misguiding as many people as possible and claim superiority over birth in a tribe/land and inheritence of script ?and claim reward for all these ? What an allegation to God? .The worst earthly dictator would not have done that so far.The future is reserved only for good people who beleived and deeds are according to God and identified God as One and only/ultimate/strong/ never fail and followed the right at any time in the light/dark /open/ hidden . The one who submitted who accepted self as weak /can fail/can perish are the real intelligent people. Only a few people will be selected no Jokes fellows!It is not his problem actually it is ours.Please take it, dont leave it . The light cannot be shunned with anything only a wasting lifetime.
    May evry one be good and lucky
    Siraj

  13. JGN

    Sanjay, you were very sad that our friend Siraj did not give a dawa. Here is the dawa for you. Offer open till stock lasts.

    We have great examples like Michael Jackson who converted just a few weeks before his death as he was not satisfied with molesting all those young boys on planet earth and wanted his share in the Paradise also. Another example is former Haryana Dy.CM, Chander Mohan who became Chand Mohammed to marry his advocate girl friend and sent her an SMS talaq from London when he got fed up with her. Any way it is a win-win situation.

  14. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    JGN,
    The list looks very short,is it just selected only ?
    Siraj

    • JGN

      Siraj, I can furnish an elaborate list also, starting with killing of 700 jews in single day and raping the widow of one of them the same night but it is a futile exercise! Why don’t you visit the web of Faith Freedom International? Dr. Ali Sina will tell you something better.

      The Quran is situational. Mohammed concocted verses according to his requirements. He renounced some of his own preaching telling they were words of Satan (hope you have heard of the controversial book, Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie). How are you sure that the rest of the verses are also not words of Satan?

      The teachings/preachings of Mohammed was meant for the unruly tribes of seventh century Arabia. The same cannot be followed in toto in any part of the world now (even in Saudi Arabia).

      When ordinary muslims are allowed to have only up to 4 wives at a time, why that condition was not applicable to the “last messenger”? He had eleven or thirteen wives, including child bride Ayesha. How come the divine message was not applicable to him?

  15. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    JGN,
    Everyone has an intention and make struggle on that, no good will be wasted and every evil will be punished except the forgiven. From the vast realm of knowledge you happened to get the fake one, I cant change your fate .Quran is the divine guidence from the creator to the mankind, the only created everything seen /unseen.
    The prophet(SAW) is the messenger by the creator came to the unruly people and transformed them to the role models of good for theMankind till the end of the world.How many people against this and their tricks all in vain.
    It is all about leaving shaitan and holding good and do better for self and everybodyelse.
    Tricks collectively/individually SURELY fail it only appears as working .

    It is only a small amout of time with patience spent for the neverending ,Make good choice

    Quran:-
    041.034 Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!

    041.035 And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,- none but persons of the greatest good fortune.

    041.036 And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to thee by the Evil One, seek refuge in God. He is the One Who hears and knows all things

  16. JGN

    Siraj, have you heard this? This is a part of Gitanjali for which Rabindranath Tagore got Nobel prize for literature:

    Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
    Where knowledge is free
    Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
    By narrow domestic walls
    Where words come out from the depth of truth
    Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
    Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
    Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
    Where the mind is led forward by thee
    Into ever-widening thought and action
    Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

    (Don’t confuse the words father and heaven in this poem for my belief in some god of a life here-after).

  17. JGN

    Another poem I would like all of us to read:

    Breathes there the man with soul so dead
    Who never to himself hath said,
    This is my own, my native land!
    Whose heart hath ne’er within him burned,
    As home his footsteps he hath turned
    From wandering on a foreign strand!
    If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
    For him no minstrel raptures swell;
    High though his titles, proud his name,
    Boundless his wealth as wish can claim
    Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
    The wretch, concentred all in self,
    Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
    And, doubly dying, shall go down
    To the vile dust from whence he sprung,
    Unwept, unhonored , and unsung.

    – Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832)

  18. Abdul Hakam Siraj

    JGN,
    Great!good Idea , but it works only within the community. Certainly dont work with any good soul , because they are the saved one by the Almighty.

    Quran:-
    038.082 (Iblis) said: “Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-

    038.083 “Except Thy Servants amongst them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace).”

    038.084 (God) said: “Then it is just and fitting- and I say what is just and fitting-

    038.085 “That I will certainly fill Hell with thee and those that follow thee,- every one.”

    038.086 Say: “No reward do I ask of you for this (Qur’an), nor am I a pretender.

    038.087 “This is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds.

    038.088 “And ye shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while.”

    END
    You decide what you want to take, a joy of illusion or everlasting happiness at the expense patience and hardwork for a small time.
    Please dont throw away the good
    Quran:-
    038.049 This is a Message (of admonition): and verily, for the righteous, is a beautiful Place of (Final) Return,-

    038.050 Gardens of Eternity, whose doors will (ever) be open to them;

    038.051 Therein will they recline (at ease): Therein can they call (at pleasure) for fruit in abundance, and (delicious) drink;

    038.052 And beside them will be chaste women restraining their glances, (companions) of equal age.

    038.053 Such is the Promise made, to you for the Day of Account!

    038.054 Truly such will be Our Bounty (to you); it will never fail;-

  19. JGN

    My dear Siraj, the fun-filled Paradise existed only in the fertile imagination of some sur-realistic visionaries like Mohammed. Nobody has come back after death to tell the stories in heaven/hell.

    Pl search for The Skeptics Annotated Bible for category-wise verses like absurdities, contradictions, hatred, women, sex, etc from The Bible (both Old Testament and New Testament), The Quran and The Book of Mormon. Pl read them also and understand for yourself. I do not want to watste my time copying & pasting here.

    • Abdul Hakam Siraj

      JGN,
      The same thing I say in a different way Nobody CAN comeback , I am not sure some one want to challenge with technology here.
      105. “Were not My Verses (this Qur’ân) recited to you, and then you used to deny them?”

      106. They will say: “Our Lord! Our wretchedness overcame us, and we were (an) erring people.

      107. “Our Lord! Bring us out of this; if ever we return (to evil), then indeed we shall be Zâlimûn: (polytheists, oppressors, unjust, and wrong-doers, etc.).”

      108. He (Allâh) will say: “Remain you in it with ignominy! And speak you not to Me!”

      109. Verily! There was a party of My slaves, who used to say: “Our Lord! We believe, so forgive us, and have mercy on us, for You are the Best of all who show mercy!”

      110. But you took them for a laughingstock, so much so that they made you forget My Remembrance while you used to laugh at them!

      111. Verily! I have rewarded them this Day for their patience, they are indeed the ones that are successful.

      112. He (Allâh) will say: “What number of years did you stay on earth?”

      113. They will say: “We stayed a day or part of a day. Ask of those who keep account.”

      114. He (Allâh) will say: “You stayed not but a little, if you had only known!

      115. “Did you think that We had created you in play (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?”

      116. So Exalted be Allâh, the True King, Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Lord of the Supreme Throne!

      117. And whoever invokes (or worships), besides Allâh, any other ilâh (god), of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! Al-Kâfirûn (the disbelievers in Allâh and in the Oneness of Allâh, polytheists, pagans, idolaters, etc.) will not be successful.

      118. And say (O Muhammad SAW): “My Lord! Forgive and have mercy, for You are the Best of those who show mercy!”

  20. A

    This is truly the thread of the absurd, an Abdull and Abdull show🙂

  21. sanjaychoudhry

    It is amazing that Muhammad’s imagination of heaven could not go beyond having unlimited sex with virgins for as long as you want. Truly a pervert.

    • Abdul Hakam Siraj

      Sanjay,
      It is a place of reward only enjoyments no worries hatred.The mistake trying to make all these in earthly life no one succeeded so far and nobody ever will be.I wish noone loose it because he has unlimited.

  22. The ancient indus cubit unit of length was determined by the method explained in article #2 at http://IceAgeCivilizations.com, the origin too of the numbers for the hindu yugas of time.

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