Aryans Migrated from India to Europe

More and more fresh research is coming to light which concludes that the so-called Aryans thousands of years ago migrated from India to Europe, and not the other way round as has been claimed by White Christians. Here is a notable book that states this argument quite convincingly. But what to do about these Western professors who keep parroting that Aryans came from Europe to India without offering a shred of proof and simply refusing to even consider the other possibility that the migration of people may have been from India to Europe?

These White professors believe that by peddling their theory of the Aryan invasion of India again and again and quoting each other all the time in their text books, people will be brainwashed enough not to ask them the basis on which they arrived at this conclusion. Sorry. We are only interested in the proof. The favourite trick of these professors of quoting each other or their equally rabid predecessors to buttress their case of an Aryan invasion into India won’t help them. The emperor is running naked with his nuts bouncing around and we know that this cock-and-bull theory is nothing but a subjective interpretation of facts which can be easily swung either way.

From now on, whenever Indians hear anyone speak about the mythical Aryan invasion, they should put across the counter-claim that it is actually the Indians who went to Europe when the Saraswati river dried up and founded the European civilisation about 5000 years ago. If the supporters of Aryan invasion theory recognise no obligation to provide us any proof or evidence about their “theory,” we are under no obligation to provide them any about our contention of Aryan migration to Europe from India. It is time we stopped taking bull-crap from these professors of the US and UK universities. The Aryans went from Indus Valley to Europe. Period. I challenge them to prove otherwise.

Shrikant G. Talageri’s book analyses the Rigveda hymns and unearths the geographical evidence (names of animals, places and rivers) it contains to show how their composers  are gradually moving from the east (the area around western UP) to the West (eastern and southern Afghanistan). It can be concluded based on this clear and unambiguous evidence that can easily be cross-checked by anyone that the Rigvedic people were inhabiting the interior parts of India while composing the Early and the Middle books of Rigveda and slowly becoming acquanted with the areas to the west as the composition of the Rigveda progressed.

This is a monumental work and formidable evidence that is very difficult to counter. The Early and Middle books of Rigveda mention the names of places, animals and rivers of north India while the Later books mention the names of rivers and animals of southern and eastern Afghanistan. How can this be possible if the so-called Aryans were marching from beyond Afghanistan into India? 

Compared to this reasoning, the kite-flying and day-dreaming of Max Mueller belongs in the garbage bin as the man did not bother to provide any basis for his theory. Indeed, later in his life he claimed that he never meant the word “Aryan” to be a separate race of people! But he was told to shut up by the church and the British rulers who had by then begin to see immense political possibilities in the idea of Aryan invasion. Is it any wonder that a British missionary immediately invented the word “Dravidian” and pitted these so-called Dravidians against the mythical “Aryans” still allegedly inhabiting north India.

It is a shame that this kind of hocus pocus is still being believed and propagated by many dim-witted Indians. It should be thrown back into the faces of these White professors. It is not too difficult to understand why the Western professors still insist on the Aryan-Dravidian racial divide of Indian people despite not being able to offer a shred of proof in its support over the last 120 years. Just read my earlier blog post “Monkey Business of American Historians” to discover how this Aryan-Dravidian hogwash is even today being used to meet the geo-political objectives of the White man related to India. The Whites want south India badly.

Demolished once for all: Aryan Invasion Theory         
Virendra Parekh  

 “An unknown Indian has taken on proponents of the Aryan invasion/migration theory, demolished their case, and established that northern India is the original home of the Aryans and the Indo-European family of languages. The importance of this remarkable achievement cannot be exaggerated. In course of time, it can compel the revision of the history not only of Indian but also world civilization.”

That was Girilal Jain in his masterful review of Shrikant G. Talageri’s ‘Aryan Invasion Theory and Indian Nationalism,’ published in 1993. Since then, Talageri, a not-so-unknown Indian now, has come up with two more works. His ‘The Rigveda: A Historical Analysis’ (2000) established that Vedic Aryans were inhabitants of the area to the east of Punjab, traditionally known as Aryavarta; that the region of Saptasindhu formed the western periphery of their activities and that the Aryans migrated from the east to the west within India and beyond it. For this, he relied solely on a detailed analysis of the Rigveda.

His latest book, “The Rigveda and the Avesta: the Final Evidence,” seeks to prove conclusively beyond all reasonable doubt that India was the original homeland of the Indo-European family of languages, that the Rigvedic people were settled in areas around and to the east of the Sarasvati river in at least the third millennium BCE if not earlier, that the proto-Iranians who later became Zoroastrians were settled in the areas to the west of the Vedic Aryans, and that both started expanding westward around that period.

As the name of the book suggests, Talageri collects, collates and compares a massive amount of evidence from the Rigveda and the Avesta and also marshals undisputed recorded facts from Mesopotamian history about the Mitanni and the Kassites to support his conclusions. He relies on non-controversial data such as names of people, animals and places, and on the provenance and numerical frequency of their occurrences, rather than subjective interpretations of esoteric texts.

We teach our children even today as settled facts that nomadic Aryans invaded/migrated to India around 1500 BCE, destroyed the Indus Valley culture and began what is known as the Vedic Age, and produced Rigveda around 1200 BCE. However, this is only a theory, and an extremely weak one at that.

That there is not a shred of evidence for it in either the ancient literature or archaeology, that it is based on nothing more solid than some striking similarities among the Indo-European languages, that there is an overwhelming body of solid evidence against it, and that even the linguistic data supporting it can be better explained by an alternative opposite theory, has not daunted its proponents who are deeply entrenched in the academia, media and, worst of all, in politics.

Originally cooked up by 19th century European scholars to serve the interests of India’s colonial masters, the theory has now been appropriated by current political ideologies whose sole purpose is to keep India weak, divided and confused. It is used to deepen and exploit regional, linguistic and racial cleavages in Indian society, deny nativity and originality to Hindu civilization, and justify later invasions: if Aryans came from outside, how can the Hindus cavil at Muslim or European invaders?

This is not the first time that the Aryan Invasion Theory has been disproved. It has been demolished several times over in the past. Talageri’s specialty is that he uses only objective, non-controversial and verifiable data from ancient texts to support his conclusions.

Talageri’s point of departure is the internal chronology of the Rigveda. The Rigveda, the oldest book in the world and the most primary source of knowledge about ancient India, consists of 1028 hymns divided in ten Books, or Mandalas. The composition of these hymns, their collation and compilation in the present form, must have been a gradual process stretching over a vast geographical expanse, spanning several centuries if not millennia, and involving generations of seers, kings and other actors.

The Rigveda itself provides strong and massive internal evidence that all of it was not composed at the same time. There is general agreement among scholars that Books II to VII, known as family books, are older, whereas Books I, VIII, IX and X came later. The family books are composed either entirely (as in the case of Book VI) or almost entirely (as in Books III and VII) by seers of a single family; or entirely (as in Books IV and II) by the members of a single family with a few hymns composed by a family related to them;  and they use simple meters.

But among the family books, Book V is regarded as the latest. Descendants of composers of other family books are composers of hymns in this Book; and although it belongs to the Atri family, it has composers from as many as six families. In meters, it uses mainly four-line Anushtup in preference to the three-line Gayatri which is more prominent in older family books; the five-line Pankti meter makes its appearance here. These characteristics become stronger in later Books. Book I, VIII, IX and X, for instance, each has hymns composed by seers from many families, and uses not only the five-line Pankti, but also the six-line Mahapankti and the seven-line Sakvari. And personalities and events of the earlier Books are referred to as belonging to the distant past and so on.

In ‘The Rigveda: A Historical Analysis,’ Talageri has analysed the internal evidence in great detail and established the detailed chronological order of all ten Books as follows: Books VI, III and VII are the oldest (Early Books), followed by Books II and IV (Middle Books) and then come Books V, I, VIII, IX and X (Late Books) in that order.

However, his argument in the present book is not dependent on this detailed chronology. The generally accepted division by scholars of the ten Books into Old Books (II, III, IV, VI, VII), and Late Books (I, V, VIII, IX and X) is enough to support his argument.

That argument can be simply stated. Rigveda and Avesta have a lot in common—names of people, animals, meters, geography. However, the Early Books of Rigveda have very little in common with Avesta, while the Middle Books have a little more. But it is the Late Books of Rigveda that have a lot in common with Avesta, pointing to a period of contemporary development.

Take just one example. The Early Books have few Iranian names: two related kings (Abhyavartin Cayamana, Kavi Cayamana), one priest (Kavasa) and four tribes (Prthu/Parthava, Parsu/Parsava, Paktha and Bhalanas). All these names occur only in three hymns; none of these names of persons or tribes finds any reference in the Middle or Late Books. The three hymns pertain to the historical battles in the Early period and these names refer to enemy Iranians then located in the eastern and central Punjab. Besides, there is a hymn which mentions a sage Usana and his father Kavi Bhargava who played a very important role in the later mythology built on Indo-Iranian conflicts. All these names have equivalents in the Avesta.

In the Middle Books, we find names of four sages, which are not mentioned at all in the Early Books, but find numerous mentions in the Middle and the Late Books and are referred to in Avesta as well. They are: Turviti, Gotama, Trita and Krsanu; in the Avesta they are called Taurvaeti, Gaotama, Thrita and Keresani. All these personalities are Vedic and pre-Zoroastrian. Taurvaeti in the Avesta is an early figure, the father or the ancestor of Fracya (Yast 13.115). Thrita is specifically mentioned in Yasna 9.10 as an ancient personality belonging to a period far earlier to Pourushaspa, the father of Zarathustra.

But the main case rests on dozens of names and name-elements common to the Rigveda and the Avesta. These Vedic name elements like asva, ayana, rta, rna, atithi, brhad, ratha, syava, sura, and names such as Yama, Krishna, Aptya, Vrsni, Varaha, Vivasvat, Atharvan, Kashyapa have their equivalents in the earliest parts of the Avesta, but they are found exclusively in the Late Books and hymns of the Rigveda, and in later Vedic and Sanskrit texts.  

To sum up, the Early and Middle Books have only 8 hymns containing these name-elements common to Avesta, and all eight of these hymns are identified as late or interpolated by ancient text Aitareya Brahmana or by western scholars like Oldenberg. On the other hand, the Late Books have no fewer than 386 hymns containing such name-elements.

Apart from names and name-elements, there is the evidence of the development and use of meters used in various hymns of the different Books. The earliest hymns in the Avesta, the Gathas, composed by Zarathustra, use the six-line Mahapankti meter, which is used only in the Late Books of the Rigveda. On this parameter also, the evidence points to the same conclusion: the common development of the joint Indo-Iranian culture represented by these two sacred books took place in the period of Late Books of Rigveda. The Early and the Middle Books of Rigveda belong to a period which is older than the period of the development of this joint culture.

The next question is: in which area were the Early and the Middle Books composed? Where were the Vedic Aryans living in the period before the development of this joint Indo-Iranian culture?

The geographical evidence of Rigveda is very clear and unambiguous. It shows that the Vedic Aryans, in the period of the Early and the Middle books, were inhabitants of interior parts of India, to the east of river Sarasvati and were only just expanding into and becoming acquainted with areas further west.

The geographical horizon of the Rigveda extends from (at least) western Uttar Pradesh in the east to eastern and southern Afghanistan in the West. Let us divide it in three regions: the eastern region comprising the Sarasvati and areas to its east, mainly modern Haryana and western UP; the western region comprising the Indus and areas to its west, mainly the Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan, Afghanistan and contiguous areas of southern Central Asia; and the central region comprising Saptasindhu or Punjab between the Sarasvati and Indus.

The eastern region is clearly known to the whole of the Rigveda. Copious references to the rivers such as Sarasvati, Drshadvati, Hariyupiya, Yavyavati, Ashmanvati, Yamuna, Ganga, places such as Ilayaspada, Kikata, and animals such as elephant, buffalo, peacock and spotted deer are scattered all over the Rigveda, but particularly in the Early books.

In sharp contrast, the western region is totally unknown to the Early Books, only very newly familiar to the Middle Books, but quite familiar to the Late Books. The western places (except a solitary reference to Gandharva in a late hymn), animals, lakes and mountains are totally unknown to the Early as well as the Middle Books, and exactly three rivers are mentioned in Book IV, which represents the western-most thrust of the Vedic Aryans in the Middle period.

The late books, on the other hand, are strewn with references to rivers such as Sindhu, Amitabha, Rasa, Svetya, Kubha, Krumu, Gomati, Sarayu and Susoma; places such as Gandhari, mountains such as Arjikya and Mujawat, lakes such as Saryanavat, and animals such as Bactrian camel, Afghan horse, mountain sheep, mountain goat and boar.

Most interesting are the references to the central region—the Saptasindhu or Punjab between Indus and Sarasvati. Very significantly, the Nadi Sukta lists the rivers from the east to the west. Book VI, the oldest book, does not know any of the five rivers of Punjab. The second oldest book, Book III, mentions only the two easternmost rivers—Vipas (Beas) and Sutudri (Sutlej). The third oldest book, Book VII, mentions Parushni (Ravi), the third river from the east, with reference to the Battle of Ten Kings in which the non-Vedic enemies figure as western people of the fourth river Asikni (Chenab). Even the phrase Saptasindhu first appears in the Middle Books.

Significantly, Iranian texts also confirm the movement of the Anu-s (an Aryan clan that later became Iranians) from the east to the west. The first chapter of Vendidad lists 16 holy lands rendered unfit for man by Angra Manyu, the evil spirit of Zend Avesta. The first of these is Airyano Vaejo, bitterly cold and full of snow. If there is doubt that this refers to Kashmir, the designation of one more land as Hapta Hindu, that is Sapta-Sindhu (Punjab), should remove it.

As Girilal Jain had observed, “if it can be established that the movement of the users of the Indo-European speech in India in ancient times was from the east to the west and not vice-versa, the invasion/migration theory, as it has been propounded, cannot stand.”

After establishing precisely that on the basis of Rigveda and Avesta, Talageri proceeds to present some more evidence from ancient Mesopotamia that could help us determine a lower limit for the Vedic Age. Once we see that the movement of Aryans has been from the east to the west within India and outside it, even the familiar facts acquire an altogether different significance.  

The Mitanni, who ruled northern Iraq and Syria around the 15th century BCE, spoke Hurrite, a non-Indo-European language unrelated to Vedic Sanskrit. But their kings and other members of the ruling class bore names which were corrupted versions of Vedic names: Mittaratti (Mitratithi), Dewatti (Devatithi), Subandu (Subandhu), Indarota (Indrota), Biriamasda (Priyamedha), to mention a few. In a treaty with Hittites, they invoked Vedic gods Mitra, Varuna, Indra and Nasatyas (Asvins). A Mitanni manual on training of chariot horses by Kikkuli has words like aika (eka, one), tera (tri, three), panza (panch, five), satta (sapta, seven) na (nava, nine), vartana (vartana, turn round in the horse race). Another one has words like Babru (babhru, brown), parita (palita (grey), pinkara (pingala, red) and so on. Many centuries must have elapsed between the entry of their Vedic ancestors into West Asia and this loss of language with just a super-stratum of Vedic words.

The Kassite conquerors of Mesopotamia (c. 1677 BCE) had a Sun god Surias, perhaps also Marut and may be even Bhaga (bugas), as also a personal name Abirattas (Abhiratha).

What is notable is that the ancestral Vedic names used by the Mitanni kings, and the one known Kassite name, all belong to the names which are common to the Avesta and the Late Books of Rigveda. So the ancestors of the Mitanni and Kassites must have migrated from northwestern India in the period of the Late Books. This places Late Books of Rigveda in the late third millennium BCE at the latest. The Middle and the Early books of Rigveda must have been composed much earlier. Please note that this is the lower limit for the date of Rigveda. There is nothing here that precludes a reasonably earlier date.

This makes the Rigvedic Age contemporaneous with the Indus Valley culture. Far from being the destroyers of Harappa and Mohenjodaro, Vedic Aryans turn out to be the architects of those great cities. This is what Girilal Jain meant when he said that in course of time Talageri’s research can compel the revision of the history not only of Indian, but also world civilization.

Talageri’s book makes fascinating reading for those who are familiar with and interested in the subject. That, looked at from the opposite end, is also the biggest limitation of the book. This book is meant for scholars and serious students. It is not fit for lay readers; it cannot be read just for fun. One has to know a great deal about the subject before one can appreciate the monumental feat of scholarship the author has accomplished. But one thing can be said with certainty – even those who do not agree with Talageri’s conclusion will not find it easy to disprove his data and logic and come up with an alternative explanation.

The Rigveda and The Avesta: the Final Evidence
Shrikant Talageri
Aditya Prakashan, New Delhi, 2008

Pages: xxxviii + 379
Price: Rs. 750 (Paperback: Rs. 350)

http://www.adityaprakashan.com

Virendra Parekh is Executive Editor, Corporate India, and lives in Mumbai

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  1. carlos mundy

    I would say that the ‘Navajo Indian’ land claims of the southwest north america is in the same situation. in ‘historical’ text the people that covers the most territory are usually being destroyed. the athabaskan/dine coveres the most territory when espanol and european came but we lost land claims. we were labeled as a new comers to the southwest. and it seen like there is a relationships between the navajos and the rest of the americas since…maybe some 40,000 to 50,000 kya. ‘paleo’..?..maybe 15,000 to 18,000; and thank you,

  2. Communist

    Perfectly true, and every Indian should know it. The whites use theories like this to cover up for thier own hypocritical atrocities like slavery, colonialism and conversion. Thanks alot for posting this.

  3. gajanan

    The Lithuanian language has its roots in Sanskrit
    See this below
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_language
    There are many web sites , which vouch this.

    Now , it is only in India that Sanskrit is still spoken ( by a few) and there is no semblance of anybody conversing and as such that many details do not exist anywhere except India for Sanskrit. If Aryans, had come from Central Asia then Sanskrit should have stayed as it is in India now. But this is not the case. Out of India (OIT) is the right theory and not AIT. The migration from India to North has resulted in the Indo-European family and that is the reason, Sanskrit words are found in Latvia and in the Lithuanian language.

  4. sanjaychoudhry

    You are right Gajanan. Did you know that the Welsh language spoken in Wales region of the UK has 200 Sanskrit words?

    • Anonymous

      Thank you, Welsch – (?’s) or just RED head/hair in America every where; now the ‘Whites’ saying they are returning, well, we as Dine know the legends that Caucasian and Dine/Dene are the same people (haplog X’s) despite hairs; if there exist functional noun of ancient as I understand; Great. why natives left na, m in Asia? The Dine/Dene, one of the mother tongue are – were ‘verb’ stem; well. if whole earth were Aryavarsha – then mtDNA of the Americas (Indigenous), language/gene is consistent; in art the ancient of the ‘ruins’ in South America, architectural is relatively universal and your people (of mid-east) has world heritage project in Americas, SA & CA;
      if teo is one of the root word for God then the word God originated out of Americas..(?), maybe na, m – oldest consonants proto-origination – developed in Americas independently of Asia – Europe just for sake! how far can you trace language back since blood is into millions…,
      thank and i really enjoyed!

  5. gajanan

    http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2009/01/great-book-about-great-book.html

    All the Orientalists, including Michael Witzel and the present writer, owe a debt of gratitude to Angiras, Vishvamitra, Vasistha and the other Vedic seers, and to their contemporary scion, Shrikant Talageri.

    A wonderful tribute to Shrikant Talageri by Elst.

    STalageri is an amazing person. He has written a masterpiece. Einstein was a clerk in a patent office , Ramanujan a clerk in posttrust. Talageri working in a bank started of as a clerk. It is great to see a bank clerk throw a gauntlet at this academic bigotry. For Talageri it is seeking the truth for he required no funds for his survival. For these academics , their salaries and position depends on a proviso , meaning an area and getting funds for it. So to survive , dish out rubbish and don yourself in ivy coats and pants.

    Talageri’s story is a David and Goliath Story. He has taken the might of Harvard Dons and taken them well . Here is the reference

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrikant_G._Talageri

    “After the publication of his book on the Rig Veda (2000), Talageri was offered on 17 June 2000 the possibility to do advanced study or a Ph.D. with Witzel in Harvard, “provided he [Talageri] is open-minded and flexible in his views, and does not show himself to be intransigent or predisposed to certain ideas”.[6] Talageri declined this offer “for purely personal reasons as much as in view of the blatantly fishy proviso”.[6]

    Well done in 2000. Now this open mind offer by Witzel looks a one way traffic. Talageri did well to reject the offer.

    Well done in 2008 with the new book. May the force be with Shrikant Talageri

  6. sanjaychoudhry

    So our friend Witzel was active here too, dangling a carrot in front of Talageri. The Western Univeristy Mafia uses the carrot-and- stick policy to keep the Indian scholars in line.

    The carrot is “do a Ph.D with us and we will appoint you professor at some American university.” The stick is “we will shun you, deny you entry into America, label you a Hindu fundamentalist and ruin your career.”

    No wonder, the Witzel gang hands out Ph.Ds and and then insists you should have a Ph.D. from a Western university if you want to discuss anything with them. This is just a way for them to control the debate by planting their own people in the gathering.

    Talageri did good by showing Witzel the middle-finger and telling him to keep his lollipops to himself.

  7. gajanan

    Please go thru this web site. It is heartening to see such a dedicated organisation. Voluntary donations are welcome says the web site.
    http://www.taralabalu.org/panini/

  8. a

    Read the book “return of the aryans” and post a review!

  9. Nam

    “After the publication of his book on the Rig Veda (2000), Talageri was offered on 17 June 2000 the possibility to do advanced study or a Ph.D. with Witzel in Harvard, “provided he [Talageri] is open-minded and flexible in his views, and does not show himself to be intransigent or predisposed to certain ideas”.

    What does this dork – Michael Witzel know about Sanskrit that allows him to go around claiming scholarship in the world’s oldest language and Indic culture?

    Well done Sri Shrikant Talageri. These pseudo-historians who manipulate history to suit their supremacist ideology deserve the middle finger.

    As Gajanan says, Sri Talageri’s monumental work is going to become the basis for revision of Indian history and even world history in the years to come.

  10. Erich

    Max Mueller’s Aryan invasion theory was lie, but do professors even teach about the “Aryan invasion?” I don’t know. The OP comes off as a bit of a curmudgeon. Most white people don’t even care about “Aryans” except for dumb Neo-Nazis and other white supremacist types.

  11. Erich

    Also, didn’t the Aryans come from the caucasus mountains? And isn’t Armenian the first Indo-European language? If so, that would support the claim that the Aryans came from the caucasus mountains since Armenia is located in the heart of the caucasus mountains . . .

    • gframesch

      Aryans did not come from anywhere because they were rulers of earth after Atlantean race and land-rather they spread everywhere and populated different lands such as Egypt-Iran-Greece and Siberia-Russia of today which was Uttara Kuru-all countries today with Stan or Sthan in the end of their names-Tajikstan and Uzbekistan-were hindu aryan lands just as Indochina or Indonesia-Hindu China and Hindu Asia-gframesch

  12. gframesch

    If -as it says-it was once whole earth Aryavarsha or Aryavarta and Vedas chants and Om sound-lost Word of Masons-reverberated throughout the then world-after Atlantean Varsha-Ataal Loka-it is proof enough that nearly whole earth was hindu aryans or aryan hindus-with time and place original hindu words got disfigured but they are still recognisable-such as Indochina-Hindu China and Indonesia-Hindu Asia-yes-India was once supreme-was Mahabharata or Mahan Bharat Varsha which covered nearly all continents of today-Egypt was Kshem-Iran was Aryana-Denmarc was Danav Marg-Norway was Norwaj-Sweden was Shudhodhan and Mesopotamia was Maheshopitamah-Mohanjodaro was Moeyen Jo Thado-Sindhi-platform of the tombs of the dead-after Mahabharat war-and Hermes was Harimahesh-Scanadinavia was Skandhanova and Siberian areas were Uttara Kuru-Caspean Sea was Kashyapa Sagar-Posiedon was Pashudhan just as Jerusalem was Harishalam-even today there are such city names there as Shiva-Ramalah-Judea was Ajudhya-Jordan was Govardhan-Jadavas-Yadavas of Krishna became Jahudis-Yahudis or Jews of today-and-Mecca was Mukha or Gomukha-Shiva Temple-even said by great Guru Nanak-go to Ireport of CNN and see bandakhuda posts to see Shiva face on Kaaba black stone of Mecca-Palistine was Palisthan-Palis-shepherds and Sthan-land of-all countries with word Stan-Sthan-like Tajikstan and Uzbekistan-in their end today were once hindu countries-gframesch.

  13. RajeshKowdlay

    I just finished reading “The Rigveda and The Avesta: the Final Evidence” by
    Shrikant Talageri, at the outset i must say the subject of ‘AIT vs OIT’ is very well dealt with (Being an Engineering professional, lately into studying the Ancient Indian History)some great in-depth analysis of ‘Rig Vedic’ texts finally clinching the data in support of OIT. The next big step is to take it to a logical conclusion by taking up the issue on a macro-level by scholars without ego or impartiality & presenting a united front and conclusively presenting the data in support of the OIT and once and for all demolishing the Aryan invasion theory AIT. Academics and so called learned scholars can’t propound & hang onto AIT -puerile theory proposed during the dark ages for long in the 21st century. The critical analysis of the data in the Rig Vedic texts as propounded by Talageri is a strong case for introspection across the academics and it must be dealt at such level in such a manner. Political class must be made aware of the developments & should be sensitized of the subject.

  14. Phil

    Indians have become the new Afrocentrists of the 21st century, trying to trade in their own inferiority complex with a made-up history.

    Too bad for them there is such thing as genetic history… lol.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_people#Genetics

    • sanjaychoudhry

      Read this and enjoy!

      http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/India-is-the-source-of-genetic-diversity—Study/553371/

      And this latest research fresh off the labs is not even done by Indian scientists!

      It is now beginning to be quite clear that humans came from Africa, landed in India and from there branched out to east and west, carrying elements of their culture and genes with them. India is your homeland dude. Brother, I invite you to Hinduism.🙂

    • You use “wikipedia” as you reference and you expect to be taken seriously?

    • sue

      Kid don’t get jealous… we’ren’t inferior since we are the ones who created Europe(i.e.by migrating to Europe) … actually we’re superior… the best race that has lived on the earth …. even after the colonial and islamic exploitation of it’s rich culture as well as economy… we continue to flourish …and it won’t be long when we’ll rule the world again… mark my words (*dramatic laughter to piss European readers off*)

  15. Anonymous

    What happened to the Indians that migrated into Europe – why dont modern Europeans physically resemble their Indian ancestors?

    • sanjaychoudhry

      This works both ways, my friend: Why don’t Aryans who migrated to India look like Europeans?

    • Kishkindhaa

      hey joker..

      dark skin is the wild type and albino is the mutant. it is never the other way around in higher mammals.. So it is indeed true that the founding populations of europe came out South Asia 45K years ago. There was another post-glacial input (marked by R1a1) from South Asia into Europe which replaced the earlier population.. These are well-recognized facts..

  16. JGN

    sanjaychoudhry, does it make any difference to any one from where to where the migration took place? Except for the Missionary beggars, nobody now bothers about the same.

    • sanjaychoudhry

      The missionaries are spreading this theory in all mission schools in south India to eventually trigger a civil war against the north. It is very much alive and a threat.

      It is therefore very important to keep countering it. Let us not dismiss a threat before it has been neutralised.

  17. JGN

    Anonymous, why all the monkeys did not evolve into Homo Sapien Sapien? Even Charles Darvin could not answer that question. And of course there are a few like you with two legs still roaming around.

  18. Nanu Asari

    Yes, there have been migrations from India to Europe, and there is documented evidence of this. The chief among this migration is the migration of Punjabis into Eastern Europe some 1000 years ago, who are now known as Gypsies. Unfortunately, the gypsies are among the least developed groups in Europe and they are more well known as petty thieves and dirty nomads. The irony is that the Punjabis who pride themselves as the purest Aryans have their cousins, the gypsies, treated as pests in Europe.

  19. Arya

    Arya people are the natives of the Indian subcontinent. How could you expect a nomadic tribe of barbarians to invade an advanced culture of the Dravidians? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DRAVIDIANS!

    Max Mueller used Arya as a term for north Indians who supposedly derived from Europe and Dravida for the southern Indians. Pancha-Dravida is a term used to reference the 5 Brahmin groups who migrated into the frontier of South India. Along with them is Agastya Muni who carried a new language with him gifted to him by the father of languages Shiva Shankar. Lord Shiva commanded him to use this new language in South India.

    No where is it ever mentioned in history of Aryans invading Dravidians of the south. Don’t you think the Aryans would have been proud of their accomplishment? PLUS why would the Aryans adopt the Gods and culture of an inferior people who they destroyed?

    Dravidians are explorers from Northern India.

    Aryans only migrated OUT of India to the west. All you have to do is research the Indo european groups of the ancient world. There was a drought which caused them to move west. Iran was lush back then. Then they moved to Anatolia (Turkey) They are referred to as the Nesites which mixed with a non-indo-european group called the hittites. They merged and then the Hittites moved along to the west of europe.

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  22. som

    More and more fresh research is coming to light which concludes that the so-called Aryans thousands of years ago migrated from India to Europe, and not the other way round as has been claimed by White Christians. Here is a notable book that states this argument quite convincingly. But what to do about these Western professors who keep parroting that Aryans came from Europe to India without offering a shred of proof and simply refusing to even consider the other possibility that the migration of people may have been from India to Europe?

    These White professors believe that by peddling their theory of the Aryan invasion of India again and again and quoting each other all the time in their text books, people will be brainwashed enough not to ask them the basis on which they arrived at this conclusion. Sorry. We are only interested in the proof. The favourite trick of these professors of quoting each other or their equally rabid predecessors to buttress their case of an Aryan invasion into India won’t help them. The emperor is running naked with his nuts bouncing around and we know that this cock-and-bull theory is nothing but a subjective interpretation of facts which can be easily swung either way.

    From now on, whenever Indians hear anyone speak about the mythical Aryan invasion, they should put across the counter-claim that it is actually the Indians who went to Europe when the Saraswati river dried up and founded the European civilisation about 5000 years ago. If the supporters of Aryan invasion theory recognise no obligation to provide us any proof or evidence about their “theory,” we are under no obligation to provide them any about our contention of Aryan migration to Europe from India. It is time we stopped taking bull-crap from these professors of the US and UK universities. The Aryans went from Indus Valley to Europe. Period. I challenge them to prove otherwise.

    Shrikant G. Talageri’s book analyses the Rigveda hymns and unearths the geographical evidence (names of animals, places and rivers) it contains to show how their composers are gradually moving from the east (the area around western UP) to the West (eastern and southern Afghanistan). It can be concluded based on this clear and unambiguous evidence that can easily be cross-checked by anyone that the Rigvedic people were inhabiting the interior parts of India while composing the Early and the Middle books of Rigveda and slowly becoming acquanted with the areas to the west as the composition of the Rigveda progressed.

    This is a monumental work and formidable evidence that is very difficult to counter. The Early and Middle books of Rigveda mention the names of places, animals and rivers of north India while the Later books mention the names of rivers and animals of southern and eastern Afghanistan. How can this be possible if the so-called Aryans were marching from beyond Afghanistan into India?

    Compared to this reasoning, the kite-flying and day-dreaming of Max Mueller belongs in the garbage bin as the man did not bother to provide any basis for his theory. Indeed, later in his life he claimed that he never meant the word “Aryan” to be a separate race of people! But he was told to shut up by the church and the British rulers who had by then begin to see immense political possibilities in the idea of Aryan invasion. Is it any wonder that a British missionary immediately invented the word “Dravidian” and pitted these so-called Dravidians against the mythical “Aryans” still allegedly inhabiting north India.

    It is a shame that this kind of hocus pocus is still being believed and propagated by many dim-witted Indians. It should be thrown back into the faces of these White professors. It is not too difficult to understand why the Western professors still insist on the Aryan-Dravidian racial divide of Indian people despite not being able to offer a shred of proof in its support over the last 120 years. Just read my earlier blog post “Monkey Business of American Historians” to discover how this Aryan-Dravidian hogwash is even today being used to meet the geo-political objectives of the White man related to India. The Whites want south India badly.

    • Y

      • An Indian tragedy: Aryan invasion theory:
      Scientists had long ago dismissed the idea of the Aryan race .
      All this makes abundantly clear that theories based on the Aryan myth are modern European creations that have little to do with ancient India. The word Arya appears for the first time in the Rig Veda, India’s oldest text. Hitler did not invent it. The idea of Aryans as a superior race was already in the air— in Europe, not India.
      • An African tragedy: Tutsi invasion theory:
      When we look at the map of middle Africa, we see two little countries named Rwanda and Burundi, bordering on Zaire (or the Democratic Republic of Congo). As reported in the Western media, these countries are inhabited by two supposedly different ethnic groups, the so-called Hutus and Tutsis. The ethnic composition of these two countries is as follows.
      Rwanda: Hutu 84%, Tutsi 15%, Twa (Pygmies) 1%
      Burundi: Hutu 85%, Tutsi 14%, Twa 1%
      In other words, their compositions hardly differ at all. But according to Western anthropologists, mainly colonial bureaucrats and missionaries, the Tutsi are supposed to be a Hamitic people, a race that was often intermixed with the whiter races of the North, notably from Ethiopia and Egypt, which in their turn were intermixed with some West Asiatic people, mainly the Hittites, by repeated invasions from the North. These people, the Tutsis, are supposed to have arrived from the North and not native to Rwanda.
      This in essence is the Tutsi invasion theory, the African version of the Aryan invasion theory. The similarities are startling, even to the extent of the Dravidians in India being preceded by earlier inhabitants, the aborigines (the so-called adi-vasis), who have their African counterpart in the Pygmies. So we have the African Pygmy-Hutu-Tutsi sequence corresponding to the Indian aborigines-Dravidian-Aryan scheme.
      As with the Aryan theories and their various offshoots, this Tutsi-Hutu division has no factual basis. They speak the same language, have a long history of intermarriage and have many cultural characteristics in common. Differences are regional rather than racial, which they were not aware of until the Europeans made it part of their politics and propaganda.
      The explosion came following independence form colonial rule. Repeated violence after independence fueled this hatred driven by this supposed ethnic difference and the concocted history of the Tutsi invasion and oppression. Some 2.5 million people were massacred in this fratricidal horror of wars and genocides.
      Why did India not go the way of Rwanda-Burundi? Not for lack of trying but because the cultural foundation of Hinduism proved too strong. It defeated the designs of politicians and propagandists masquerading as scholars. It is no coincidence that Rwanda and Burundi had been converted to Christianity, preparing the ground for sectarian conflict. Several church figures, including priests and nuns have been found guilty of complicity in the Tutsi massacres. As in India, Christianity was a colonial tool and missionaries little more than imperial agents.

      • ravi

        Barely seven years after Prof. B B Lal penned “The Sarasvati Flows On: The Continuity of Indian Culture” (2002)[ also at Nausharo in pre-partition India (now Pakistan), French excavator Jean-Francois Jarrige], the defiantly-in-denial UPA has been forced to admit the existence of the Pre Harappan civilization- the Vaidic Saraswati Civilisation-the oldest civilisation of India, supporting this bold hypothesis is powerful evidence from hydrology, geology, literature, archaeology and radiocarbon dating, in response to a parliamentary question, the government revealed that a study by scientists of ISRO, Jodhpur, and the Rajasthan Government’s Ground Water Department has found irrefutable evidence of palaeo-channels and archaeological sites of pre-Harappan, Harappan and post-Harappan ages, indicating the existence of a mighty river matching descriptions of the Saraswati in Vedic literature.
        But who were these Vedic people ?
        Were they Aryan invaders as we were taught in school, or indigenous ancestors whose achievements were ‘stolen’ by ascribing them to so-called Aryans, a people who have left no traces of like achievements in any of the lands from where they supposedly descended upon the Indian plains?
        This era also created the ploughshare and spoked wheel, the tandoor and roti, chulha and chapatti, and pots and pans and other vessels of daily use.
        But, who were these Vedic people ?
        There was a rich industry in bead-making, shell, ivory-working, mainly copper and bronze, though gold and silver ornaments had also arrived.
        Truly a Golden Age. The only thing missing is the inscrutable script, surely a precursor to Brahmi, the language that developed later!
        This is augmented by the famous limestone statuette of the Mohenjo-daro priest-king, with his eyes introvert and eyelids half-closed, a meditative form later associated with Buddhist tradition, especially in Tibet and China.
        Yet this form of dhyana is mentioned in the Bhagvadgita (ch. 6, verse 13) which states that the gaze should be fixed on the tip of the nose!
        Town planning, especially given the chaos in our cities today, will remain ancient India’s greatest contribution to civilisation. Be it Kalibangan, or Sisupalgarh near Bhubaneshwar, Orissa, the grid pattern with streets running north-south and east-west was the rage. This, it is pertinent, was an era in which Egypt or Mesopotamia (the West’s favourite ‘cradle’ of civilisation) had no notion of such town planning – which must be conceded was original to India. To cap it all, there were covered drains and manholes for discharge of sullage.
        Bricks were kiln-fired, and there was bonding, with bricks laid out in alternate courses – length-wise and breadth-wise – for strong walls, way back in the third millennium BCE. And clay floors were soled with fragments of terracotta nodules and large pieces of charcoal – to absorb moisture, prevent dampness travelling up the walls, and inhibiting termites!
        But, who were these Vedic people ?
        It is now conclusively established that there was no Aryan Invasion, or even Migration (the current theory). What does remain, however, is a West-led mental resistance to accepting the indigenous origins of the Vedic (Hindu) religion, culture, and civilisation.

  23. Juven Never

    The swastika did not originate in India but came from Southern Russian region of Samara. It was first found carved on an elephant or mammoth tusk. Now, its part of Indian language and culture where it was brought to India and found in the ruins of Troy. Who took it to Troy? Also, the genetic or DNA make up of majority of Indian males shows evidence from the Ukraine of Southern Russia. Why is this so?

    • Indian Realist

      There is no shred of proof for what you are saying.

    • sue

      Ha ha ha … why do these white fucks humiliate themselves with stupidity… i would like to start a blog over this if someone hasn’t already … and yes some while back i even heard americans were patenting YOGA … i guess it didnt come from india either … huh foolish fucks 

  24. Vineet

    Dear Juven,

    You are the typical variety of intellectuals who will follow the Aryan Invasion Theory myth. Keep on doing so – nobody stops you from getting your orgasm via this route.

    We have seen how Indus valley civilization became Indus-Saraswati civilization on discovery of Saraswati river but no change was made to Aryan nonsense. It is a discredited theory.

    Dates of civilizations on indian shore keep on going back to 6-7000 BC, in fact which is much before than the presumed age of earth by your mid-east cult. I am assuming you are a christian,

    So just shut-up.

    Regards

    • JuvenNevere

      One thing is certain Vineet and which you can’t deny. Horses, chariots, Sanskrit, cremation, the swastika , Vedism all came into India in prehistoric times. As for you and the Revisionists, I can see you all riding mustangs in the streets of the Indus. Time is coming when you and that crowd will have to swallow the bitter pill.

  25. Extremely Interesting And Intellectual Read. Great To Know Many Of Us From Bharat Refuse To Believe This Foolish Untrue Aryan Invasion Theory Of The White Man. Still There Are Many In Our Country Who Believe In This Because Of Their Slavish And Subservient Attitude Towards Their White Masters. My Sincere Thanks To All The Intelligent People Who Made This Article Possible. Intelligent Article And Intelligent Comments Too.
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  26. Actually white is not a race.Genetically Indians have ra1a1 gene which is oldest indo-european gene.Search for albino Indians you will get your answer.
    Now ExE3b/E3b is a dominant negroid gene.All south european even some north european have this gene,but they call themselves white. Now Indians don’t have a single ExE3b/E3b. For me white is a person who has ra1a1/r1a/r1b gene ,no negroid or Mongoloid blood and should have blonde hairs and blue eyes.

  27. TRUE Indian

    SERIOUSLY TAMILIANS! YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT DRAVIDIANS! and north Indians ARE NOT Aryans! i’m sick&tired of Tamils and their racism towards north Indians and vice-versa just because of insignificant cultural differences.

    I just feel appalled when the Tamilian politicians use this culturally defaming term!!

    THERE IS NO Such word as “Aryan” in SANSKRIT ! its completely made up word by bible humping racist colonial tards!

    Neither does Dravidian mean “dark skinned people” it literally means “SOUTH” in Sanskrit politicians fabricated that word and made it sound like its race.

    There is no single evidence of ANY invasion! the Indus valley was just abandoned by its inhabitants or something really made them “Disappear” without a single freaking trace!

    BUT the obvious evidence is in our own cultures both North Indian and South Indian languages shares its words with Sanskrit(i’m of course talking about vedic languages)

    If you’re a Hindu you know the story of river sarasvati drying up WHICH IS what exactly happened to Indus valley civilization

    The satellite scans of Indus valley shows the evidence of the river drying up and that is before the the aryan-invasion theory is set up.older than 3000BC

    And also the sunken city of dwarka also shows the similarities with indus valley archaeology.

  28. Anonymous

    Even now people of world acknowledge US ,GERMAN, UK for research which are bullshit , these biblic guys rides on others back, no Indian needs a PHD to bring out this facts, Ramanujam does not hold PhD, world was and is taken by storm by his mathematics,

  29. Truth Will Prevail

    One of the oldest spoken language on Earth is Sanskrit. Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo European languages. Many words in Anglish comes from Sanskrit. Prehistorical people migrated towards the West and introduced what you now call Indo European languages. The father and mother land of the Indo European languages is none other than ancient India. Central Asia is a path through which tribes and culture migrated from India. Origin of Sanskrit is undoubtedly in India passed through generations by the prehistoric people of India, not Germany.

  30. Truth Will Prevail

    Both North and South India are part of the same family tree. South India is famous for its unique Temples and rich culture which is part of North Indian culture, and North Indian culture is part of South Indian Culture. . Our ancestral Gods look dark skinned. Even though they are capable of showing up in any form, Shiv Ji and Shri Krishna Bhagavan Ji showed up with dark skin. Stop this foolishness about skin color. If any Indian stayed in the sun for a long time he will turn dark. Turning dark is natural. Dark or Light, we are still Hindus.

  31. Truth Will Prevail

    Dumb European above, Swastika found in Indus Valley Civilization was dated to 3000 B.C long before your imaginary Aryan migration. Our ancestors migrated towards Europe not the other way around. We were capable of doing so because we had horses prior to 1500 B.C. Prehistoric cave paintings in India proves we had horses. Not only horses many animals lived in India. Europeans with inferior complex copied Swastika from us and twisted its direction and meaning. You abandoned your ancestral Gods after Rome introduced Christianity to your regions through force and bribery.

  32. saraswati

    it is alright to settle anywhere thats not a big issue. the issue is about evil culture of the vedas any thing in sanskrit is spreading evil and non virtue look at yudistra, he gambles away wife and family and country yet he is called dharmaraj. what more do you want.

    • Shlok

      @Saraswati, how much of Mahabharat do you understand? Hinduism doesn’t work in Semitic cliches of holy vs. evil. Yudhishthir was a great human being, a person who always placed Dharma on a greater pedestal than himself, a person who never lied, a great administrator and a person who always was a friend even to foes. Neverthless, he did have one vice and that was gambling. The MB shows that even this one vice causes so much harm and damage. One can learn from Yudhishthira’s life. No one worships Yudhishthira as God

      • saraswati

        yudhishtir is a greaat human being who gambled away his wife and his country too!!!!! never heard of such a virtue!!!!!!!!! my stunning. imagine he even kept watching when his wife was being disrobed. what sort of dharma is this. is this way women are respected in the hindian society. remember the gruesome rape in delhi 2012 dec16. that is why untouchabilty thrives in india poor dalits. india ranks 125th in the hygiene list .is that also the dharma of hindia. if you dont realise your mistake and apologise.how can you hope for progress. …..

  33. Truth Will Prevail

    In response to Sue above, Yes Yoga is an ancient Indian invention. Lord Shiv is the first Yogi, the creator of Yoga. He didn’t invent Yoga to profit out of it. He did it for the well being of human beings. Anyone who makes a profit out of it doesn’t know what she or he is doing. They can be compared to the evangelists who sell bible, religions and fool people. For them everything is money. They even think God is made up of money. They can never be happy if life as long as they worship profit. Money brings them temporary happiness but when its gone they start weeping.

    • saraswati

      you talk of mahabarat as real. but it is maha-baarat of casteism (untouchability) myths loaned from a hotch potch cultures. the yoga was a creation of jains the vedic bramans attribute it to shiva just to create a rift between jains and saiviks. dharmaj gambled away his wife which he shared with four others what sort of civilised norm is this .? such disrespect for the rights of woman. how can you call such a gambler virtous. the maha-baaraat is full of such contradictions it is a wonder that it is going unnoticed ? in india. SHOCKING. .Saare jahaan se accha yeh (SC&STuntouchabilty) india hamara.

      • Shlok

        @Saraswati, these DK / Marxist / Christian claims are all “expired propoganda”. Your claims about yoga are laughable and senseless. Hinduism / Sanatan Dharma is the world’s greatest religion. Semitic faiths are cruel, evil and hate non-believers. They won’t hesitate to destroy anyone who don’t believe in them. People like Periyar, Veeramani, Rajasekhar, Vishal Mangalwadi and Karunanidhi are thieves, criminals and the most evil despots that one can think of.

        • saraswati

          yoga was the creation of jains. how can the caucasian nomads have any deep knowledge. you are not replyingmy questions what is the sacred book of the so called hindus. who is your god. mind you the southern tamil s and dravidians are not hindus they were forcefully absorbed into it.

    • saraswati

      yoga was discovered and formulated by the jains not invented. you must be nuts and foolish to attribute inventions to shiva who is the omnipotent,omniscient omnipresent paramatma.( not krishna!! )

  34. Truth Will Prevail

    To saraswati above, Yudisthira didn’t spread non-virtue. It was Duryodhan who wanted the war. Yudhisthira did his best to stop the war. Bhishma Pithama who was on Duryodhan’s side was also against the war. Duryodhan is another representation of evil. He sided with the cunning Shakuni who was the king of Gandhar(a part of ancient Afghanistan). Anyone who sides with a cunning individual is set for ruin, but the sad part is this war caused the death of millions of people just in 19 days. This wasn’t like the other wars fought on Earth. This war was fought only on the battle field without any innocent people being killed. But rules were broken on the battle field just like any other wars. War is bad but if you look at human history it is filled with wars and battles. Vedas didn’t say to start a war and destroy everything. It was the arrogant human beings who wanted the war.

  35. saraswati

    I AM WELL VERSED IN INDOLOGY DONT MAKE ME LAUGH TRYING TO DEFEND MHABARAT. WHAT ABOUT THE USURPING OF GODS WEALTH FROM THE COFFERS OF GODS DONATED BY GULLIBLE PEOPLE.? IS IT NOT CONTROLLED BY THE BRAHMINS. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THEY WONT ALLOW OTHER CASTES TO PRIESTHOOD. THEY WELCOME ALL TO THE TEMPLE ONLY TO GET THEIR HANDS ON THE HUNDIES. TERRIBLE LAND THIS BARAT!!! HA HA

    • Truth Will Prevail

      You should convert yourself to another religion and your problem will be solved. You should also change your skin color. White would look much better on you.

      • saraswati

        my point is that u should address the issue i raised reg adharma . the usurping of ramayana which is buddhist legend. and the exclusive control of temple economy by the brahmins. look at the instances of untouchability practiced in india even today. whatever religion or skin color doesnt matter .you must read the book ” UNTOUCHABLE BY MULKRAJ ANAND. ANyWAY you dont want to look at the truth of the matter. brahminism is the only racism practiced in the world today that too right in the middle of a modern society.

        • Shlok

          @Saraswati, people with Marxist background are insane. Mulk Raj Anand was among them. Your quoting Mulk Raj Anand clearly shows that you don’t know anything at all. You are just wasting your time. Besides that, I am not one of the so-called high castes or even intermediate castes. I belong to the fisherman community, Nishad Mallah, who are among the poorest of the poor in UP. Yet, our people venerate your much-hated Mahabharat, because the fisherwoman, Satyavati, whom we claim descent from, was able to marry the king Shantanu. No one asked her caste. Imagine even Shantanu had to ask permission from her father, a fisherman. Can you find a parallel anywhere else in the ancient world where a king did not snatch the girl away, but asked permission from a common person, a fisherman at that. How come your insane and crackpot scholars do not point out this episode of caste harmony from the Mahabharat???

          • saraswati

            dear madman look at the comunist giants and their achievements russia sent first man to space and look at chinese dominance in the market today. india ranks 125th in the hygiene index so much for your culture. and your IIt ranks 486 in the world. you can buy MBBS AND EVEN Phd in india. great culture. look at the capitation fee looting and the inadequate monitoring of justice. your countrymen rob your own people for zillons pf dollars every day so much for your social values you are quoting legends . you must learn to talk historical facts. untouchability is a fact in modern india today..

    • Shlok

      @Saraswati, you have a real poor knowledge of facts and figures. The temples in our country, especially in the South are all controlled by the Governments, and they misuse the funds that are donated to temples. You can’t be so stupid and so dumb as to not be aware of the fact that Brahmins are the poorest community in TN and temple priests are those who get the lowest salary. Any Tamil Brahmin will tell you that no father will give his girl in marriage to a Tamil Brahmin boy because they are so poor. As far as your knowledge in Indology is concerned, well followers of Wendy Doniger, Romila Thapar, RS Sharma and the likes are all well known. All these discredited persons have no standing whatsoever

      • saraswati

        why are dalits not allowed to become priests please answer me straight like a man

        • Indian Realist

          Why are women not allowed to become church priests, please answer me straight as a woman.

          • saraswati

            women can become priests in many christian denominations. earlier women were considered unclean because of their menstrual periods so they were not allowed in churches. SO ACCORDING TO YOU DALITS ARE UNCLEAN AND HENCE NOT ALLOWED TO BECOME PRIESTS. the brahmins want to maintain their exclusivity and this is racism. is ur name really Truth Will Prevail plse let me know if you ever come to Vina del mar be my guest. SV

            • Indian Realist

              According to Christian God, all non-Christians are unclean and hence not allowed entry into heaven. They are instead boiled in oil in hell. Christians want to maintain their exclusivity and this is racism.

  36. Truth Will Prevail

    saraswati everyone knows you are well versed in indology. Hence you are not an Indian but a fraud who calls yourself saraswati. Call yourself Schaffer or Scott, we’ll believe you. Now if you were born to a true Indian or a true White man, tell us all what religion you belong to. Don’t lie, be frank. See I am not an Indologist but an Indian and I know what I am talking about. Since you are good at playing games, you are not fit to be an Indologist. I would call you a Bundologist, a person who is well versed in Assholes.

    Regarding Yoga, Yoga came before Jainism. But a fool like you think it came as a result of Jainism. Jainism came after Hinduism so you were caught with your lies once again. Castism. If you hate Brahmins as a result of your caste fine I can understand and no one is asking you to bow down to a Brahmin. If you feel that you are inferior, it is your weakness. Don’t play mind games. Be honest and everyone will respect you.

  37. Truth Will Prevail

    saraswati, switching from small letters to capital letters clearly shows your frustration and hidden anger. I am not a castist. To me all Hindus are the same but an Indologist like you can’t digest the fact that not all Hindus are the same. Whatever agenda you have, keep it honest and tell everyone what religon or group you belong to. Or else you’ll continue being a Bundologist.

  38. Truth Will Prevail

    Yogic posture shown in Indus Valley stone tablets dated from 3500 to 2500 B.C is attributed to Lord Shiva or Pasupatinath, the Lord of Pashu. Jainism was formed in the 5th century B.C by Vardhaman Mahavir who copied Yogic symbols and Asanas which was already prevailent in Hinduism. So Lord Shiva is the first Yogi. Yoga wasn’t created by a Jaini. It was created by a Hindu before the creation of the Jain religion. I call him a Hindu because he appeared in India. Lord Shiva is the most ancient God of India. Even the darkest Indian worship Shiva. Shiv Ling is dark. He came before Mahabharat and before Jainism. Lord Shiva has no caste and even he claimed he can be reached without the help of a Brahmin, FOOL ! Brahmin is the caretaker of a temple who saved ancient Indian culture. Without a Priest who can save your Indian ancestory? You are only an Indologist. An Indologist can’t protect the history of an Indian. It takes a true Hindu to protect his ancestoral history that started since the creation of Earth.

  39. Truth Will Prevail

    saraswati since you hate Hinduism and Indian history, I have one question to ask you. Suppose Hinduism didn’t exist, and only Jainism existed. Can an Indologist religion save itself from the onslaught of middle eastern and central asian barbarians who forced many into Islam? Could a Jain save itself from Catholicism which was forced upon many non-catholic cultures? Give thanks to Hindus for tolerating Jainism. Hindus built many Jain temples. Hindu kings became Jains not because of any threats from Jainism but because of tolerance. Jainism is a Dharmic religion and the concept of Dharma has its origin in prehistoric India, the land of Hindus. So without Hinduism, Jainism wouldn’t exist. Jainism and Buddhism are new religions came after 500 B.C.

  40. Truth Will Prevail

    saraswati, Bharat is much tolerant than Saudi Arabia, or a Communist country or Rome. In Saudi Arabia, you have no right to build a Jain Temple. Same with Rome. They won’t tolerate anything else other than Catholicism. Other Europeans are much tolerant. They have to be respected for their tolerance. Their strength comes from tolerance. Not all White people are the same. Not all White people are hateful Catholics, Evangelists or hateful Nazis. Hindus didn’t built Jainist, Buddhist temples out of fear. Hindus built them out of tolerance before the Islamic and European invasions. Mosques and Churches existed before Invasions, because we were tolerant. But what did we get in return? Invasions after invasions to steal our resources and tried their best to convert us all including JAINS into their fanatic religions. I am assuming that you are of South Asian heritage. If you are not an actor but a true Jain, then you should follow it. If you are a Jain from India your ancestors were Hindus. But if you are a White Indologist, a Catholic or a Max Muller Nazi kind playing mind games, then you aren’t fit for Indology. Be straight foward with your agenda. State what your hate is all about.

  41. Truth Will Prevail

    Hinduism is the combination of different native belief system of ancient India and Hindus or native people of India worshipped many Gods but two Gods are loved and adored more than any, Shiva and Krishna. Both appeared in ancient India, not as a result of Castism but they are the Gods of all Hindus. Krishna is called dark skinned because he appeared in the form of a dark skinned Hindu and many Hindus worship him. Shiv is also portrayed with dark skin. If you are an Indian and hate Shiva or Krishna, then you hate your ancestory. If you stand against injustice like money from Hundi being stolen by corrupt Priests claiming to be Brahmin then you have every right to speak against corruption within Hinduism. A true Brahmin will never steal money reserved for the Temple, nor will a true Brahmin stop any Indian from worshipping his ancestoral Gods. A true Brahmin will not stop a tribal man in India from worshipping his ancestral God but a true Brahmin will do his best to defend the history of his ancestral land, India. Brahmin didn’t come from Germany, Central Asia or the Middle east. His ancestors came from ancient India. Max Muller, Nazis, Barbarians or people with other agendas can’t protect or say Indian history as it is. Instead they make up their own twisted ideas and theories with other agendas in mind.

    • saraswati

      jains and buddhists are not hindus only north indian krishna worshippers are hindus the tamils of south belong to the KAUMARA RELIGION AND ARE WORSHIPPERS OF MURUGAN .and they are not hindus . hinduism has been forced identity on them and needs to be corrected this anamoly.the dravidians are not hindus. rigveda is not divine revelation and belongs to foriegn. ramayana is buddhist. rama never came to the south according to the valmiki vedic ramayan. you cannot cheat all of the people all of the times!!!!!!!!!!.

      • Shlok

        @Saraswati, I am aware that times have changed, and women do drink alcohol these days. However, it is absurd to drink alcohol and express your views

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    Now stupid Indologists, Islamists, Catholics and fools must be thinking why there are there different colors in India. Dark skinned, light skinned and yellow skinned people lived in India thousands of years ago as neighbors. We fought each other but we never hated each other. Outsider Indologists chootiyas we might be of different skin color or facial features but our Gods are Indian through out history and our religion is Hindu by history. Our skin color and feature evolved in Bharat. Bharat is the father of all Indians. Our Sages came from India. Our temples are Indian. Our languages are Indian. Our Father and Mother are Indian. Our origins are in Hindustan. You or any force in this Universe or any other Unverse cannot change our origins or our Gods.

  43. saraswati

    the rigvedic people are from central asia. hinduism was born with indian independaence. besides it is not a recognised as religion even by the rss who say it is a sanatana dharma anyway what is your religious text.

    • Shlok

      @Saraswati, how dumb, how naive, how stupid? If you call Bharat as India, the place doesn’t change. If I call Vedic Dharma as Hinduism, it doesn’t change. Besides that, since you are such a big hater of Sanskrit, why do you still keep the name Saraswati???? This is the biggest hypocrisy of Tamilian haters of Sanskrit. Keeping names like Ramasamy, Karunanidhi, Veeramani, etc.. they continued spreading their propoganda against Sanskrit

      • saraswati

        i dont hate any lang as such only the works of sanskrit are anti civilisation and need to be banned globally or else the next generation will be poisoned by casteism and racism..

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    saraswati, first of all.you brought up different invalid points.

    A.)No physical or structural proof of Hinduism or Vedic practices beginning in Central Asia. Central Asia at that time was ruled by mixed tribes and irreligious barbarians who didn’t follow Vedic religion or Sanatan Dharma. The origin of Vedic religion and Sanksrit is in mainland India.

    B.) Hinduism existed before RSS or India’s independence. I already mentioned above that Hinduism is the combination of all native belief system within India. Sanatan Dharma or Eternal law is the main concept that many Hindus follow. Eternal law is God. Only God is eternal. No matter which native God any person of India’s origin follows, the ultimate destination is the Supreme.

    C.) I have no hatred against Jains. Jains are mostly non-violent people who can’t even harm an insect. But Jains alone can’t defend themselves. They need the Kshatriya system which was formed in India to protect their belief system. Kshatriyas were formed to protect Dharam. All religions which were formed in India is Dharmic.

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    If Dravidians are not true Hindus, then why did Dravidians built so many Hindu temples devoted to Hindu Gods? Lord Murugan or Kartikeya is another native God of India, not Central Asia. Lord Shiva is the father of Murugan. Lord Shiva has no caste. He is beyond the clutches of materialism or caste. Many Hindus worship Lord Shiva because Lord Shiva is their own. Lord Shiva didn’t force himself upon the people of India. He revealed his Godly powers to the people of India, any direction North India, East India, West India or South India. Lord Shiva came to the people of India. He was there before India and the Himalayas were formed. He once lived in the Himalayas. He resides in the heavenly Kailash. Heavenly Kailash is not located on Earth. It is located on another plane just like Vrindavan or Vaikund.

    saraswati I think you are either confused, or trying to confuse people on purpose. You are behaving just like the racist and liar Max Muller. Why do people like you want to divide India? North Indian Hindus don’t want to divide India. Why are you thinking of yourself as a victim of some non-existent Aryan invasion? Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, and even atheists of India are the victims of real invasions starting from barbarian, Islamic, and British invasions until 1947 but we prevailed due to our love for our Bharat’s religions, ancestory and our cultures. I have nothing to do with central asia. Some Indians went towards central asia, not the other way around.

    • saraswati

      dear shlok think think think….many temples were built by converted dravidians who embraced vedic religion. the father son relationship of gods is a creation of sanskrit people it is not the original dravidian culture. you are purposely evading the point. the whole of india was dravidian since 5000BC .creating relationships among gods is a sumerian tradition. plse read some original history books and be rational like a true humanbeing instead of being a brainwashed CRASH TEST DUMMY. you need to eat more beef only then your brains will start working sharply. meat is good source of serotonin for your brain. dont go to ayurveda ahaa!! plain unprovable archaic rubbish

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    Just like how Muslims think Allah is their God, how Christians think Jesus is their God, we Hindus have our own Gods. We have the Atma Dhairya to see our own as God. We don’t need to force ourselves upon others or convert others because it is Adharmic. We are not confused. We don’t need to change our skin color to worship our own Gods. Dharma cannot be bought with money, mind games or force. It is already within ourselves no matter what Hindu(Indians) God we believe in.

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    If Lord Ram didn’t show up in South India, and if Lord Hanuman and his tribes didn’t live in South India, then who built the massive bridge that connects India with Sri Lanka? Why do some Tamils listen to and follow the hatred and divisive system of barbarians and other foreigners? Because of it, Bharat was split into two pieces. Why are you trying to split it more? Any people of any religion living within India has bloodlines that goes back to India so why are you trying to split your own Father and Mother? What will you gain from it?

    • saraswati

      dear TWP !!!!!!!! ram never went to south beyond vindyas according to the valmiki ramayana. in sanskrit lang lanka means an island and it was a riverine island at the source of narmada in central india. sri lankans call themselves sinhala but lions never existed in CEYLON island. how can you build a bridge across a sea by mere human labour . how come indians had to wait for the christians to BUILD modern schools and give education and cities to india and the muslims had to build the greatest monuments of india. we must thank the muslims and christian for liberating the masses from bramanaical caste oppresion and indignity of untouchability. valmiki ramayana is a rehash of the original buddhist work and is propoganda tool to conquer the south dravidians.

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    Latest archeological and scientifice research tells us that the people who lived in Indus Valley Civilization moved out of that area not due to false Aryan invasions but due to a drought that lasted for so many years. If non-existent Aryans destroy Indus Valley, then how come many Hindu towns, and religious places of worship throughout India still have the same stepped sacred pool? Many Temples have it right next to them. So this tells me people of Indus Valley were Hindus. Indra was invoked to bring rain for irrigation and water for life. He was not called to destroy any dark skinned Indian. That is the creation of racist, confused, divise, and foolish people like Muller. He was a Christian but he was not like his Christ. He was the opposite of his Christ. The main problem of Bundologists is they try their best to see Bharat’s history in their own perverted and self-centric ways. Their ancestors twisted their Bibles, Korans and now they want to twist Hinduism to bend to their selfish needs. They should be concentrating more on their own ancestors, not the ancestors of Hindu people who they have no historical clue about. Worship Christ, Allah or any other God. We don’t want you to be Hindu. Nor will any true Hindu tolerate your hate mongering, country dividing, brainwashing, and corrupted ways. Communists, we don’t want your Communism. We can treat our people alike and take care of them without your Communism. Your communism brings nothing but hate and violence.

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    Yudhistra kept watching in pain and sorrow. He even admitted that it was his mistake to play the dice game and gamble Draupadi away. He shouldn’t have gambled anything away. Dushasana and his brothers were the ones who wanted to disrob her. When everyone watched the scene in helplessness, It was Lord Krishna who saved Draupadi’s honor. The rapes in Delhi and the rest of India are a shame to India. Sickular parties are the ones who want to save rapists of any religion. We want to make sure that such rapists either gets jailed for life or face death. Our Gods Shiva and Krishna never told anyone to mistreat Dalits or any Hindu. For them all Hindus are the same. It was the human beings claiming to be Hindus who mistreated dalits. Dalits are part of Hinduism just like any other Hindu. To me they aren’t inferior because their bloodlines belong to India.

    • saraswati

      dear TWP krishna watches when girls are bathing and even steals their clothes. he has any number of women and even carries them away!!!! krishna endorses the varnashrama dharma in bagavad gita so dont you blabber. or include shiva in your argument.even he is relegated to a second class god among the sanskrits. you have no solution for the plight of dalits. you have no such intention at all.

      • Truth Will Prevail

        Lord Ram never went to the South according to Valmikis Ramayana says the confused drug addict troll who wants to be white? Both Valmiki’s and Hanuman Ji’s version of Ramayan proves that Ram was in the South. But a Muslim or Christian slave like you won’t be able to digest it. Its funny to see you defend Muslims and Buddhists at the same time. If there weren’t Hindus, Muslims would’ve converted you and made you their permanent bund or ass licker. Lions didn’t exist in Sri Lanka so you hate Sri Lanka? Sri Lankans call themselves Sinhala because they adore the Lion? I think I know what you are. Are you a foolish Tamil that still believe in disrupting peace in Sri Lanka. Not all Tamils are inferior like you. First you claimed South Indians aren’t Hindus but it is the South Indians who build more Temples dedicated to their own Gods. Suddenly when you experienced western hate ideology like Communism, or Catholicism you think you were liberated? You became their slaves, FOOL. You hypocrites name yourselves Hindu names and you hate Hindus? Change your name to Lenin, Hitler etc because you fools are followers of hate. Hindus don’t hate you. We actually laugh at your inferiority complex. I think you should still change your skin color and become white. It fits you. That way you’ll stop feeling inferior. Something tells me you are a White in diguise, Mr Scott Saraswati.

        I think the reason why you showed up here is this. You can’t stand the fact that Aryan invasion theorists are inferior, confused and lost their game. Your whiteness got hurt when I talked about Max Mueller and similar kind right? Bastards like you are the reason why there’s problem in this world. Hindus don’t create problems. Its your Muslim and Christian masters that are fighting each other to see which religion dominates. If you are hurt, its not my problem stupid drug addict. Its your problem for trying to create confusion. You created your own problem and everyone is laughing at your inferiority complex. Your propaganda got crushed and eaten. I know your kind very well Mr Scott Saraswati. When it comes to playing games I will teach you new games, games that you have never seen. Only a stupid and confused bundologist will try to teach Indian history to a true Hindu.

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    Science and technology existed in India before Communism. Communism was an ideology which was formed recently along with Capitalism. Before these ideologies there was trade and exchange of techologies. Ancient inventions are not the result of Communism or Capitalism. It is the result of man’s need to explore new things and also for survival. With Communism the power rests in the hands of a few people and you can’t even speak out against them. Where is your freedom in Communism? Hindu Kings were held accountable by their subjects for whatever they did so many Hindu Kings respected their Dharm. Disagreements lead to the creation of new states and even Empires within India. How is the Maoist ideology that destroyed millions in the name of Communism and dictatorship good? With Communism a farmer cannot own his own farmland and farm freely. Scientists who came way before and after Communism are the reason why many things were invented.

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    Even a Dalit can become a Brahmin if he studies the Vedas and all other Hindu texts and keep them sacred. Don’t think all so called Brahmins are the same. Gangu Brahmins supported barbarian Sultanate and Mughals. Brahmins became Sepoy’s and went against their own Dharm. Then there are Brahmins who fought to the end like true Hindus. Rani Lakshmi Bai, Chandrasekhar Azad, Rajguru and the many Brahmins who gave their lives to save all Indians.

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    Even Mangal Pandey got out of his slavery being a Sepoy and fought the oppressive British. I am ashamed of the fact that our Dalit brothers feel oppressed in their own land. This is why there are laws in India that punishes people who harm any Indian. I don’t even know why people are called Dalits. To me they are Hindus, Buddhists or Jain not Dalits. These foreign ideologies like Communism won’t help you. What will help you is your right to become a Hindu and hold power in politics just like any Hindu because I clearly know your ancestors worshipped native Gods of India. Not only that many became Buddhists and Jain as a result of caste problems. Don’t blame only the Hindus and call all Hindus castists. I am not a castist. Even the Muslims and Christians practice caste system and oppress Dalits.

    • saraswati

      you have forgotten to mention that rigveda is a foriegn ideology and why is there no law to allow the dalits to become temple priests. you cant deny the truth you must face it boldly. communism is not foriegn it is a response to exploitation of the weak and poor by ruthless industrialists. vedic casteism is foriegn and has not contributed anything to anybody anywhere.

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    Guru Ravidas Ji a saint of Ancient India said one can reach God not by being stuck in any caste but through Devotion alone.

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    Many of your lies were disproved and I will disprove it more with facts. Indians didn’t have to wait for your Islamic and Christian masters to build schools when we already had schools. Taxila, Nalanda and many other places of learning existed but since you have an inferiority complex, you are scared to swallow that fact. I think you are either a mental, a muslim, a troll, a butt hurt Catholic or a foolish white man disguised as a Dalit. Thats what you fools are good at, disgusing and trying to distort other people’s history. I caught you with your lies so many times and you still can’t get rid of the smell of the rotten meat that you eat to survive. Pigs are much better.

    • saraswati

      dear twp your lang betrays your gutter origins why cant you accept the truth of the rottenness of vedic culture look at the dismal record of hindi people. what did taxila and nalanda produce why is the there neo-illiteracy i.e. false education in the north where people have no lang skills and dont know english and even refuse to learn it. Despite the fact that hindi and sanskrit are rudderless languages. Wow !!! taxila and nalanda for producing people like you…. empty but angry brainless bags. really you are the limits for a joke!!!! thank you for making me laugh time and again.all you need is to read Romilla Thapar.

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    Lord Ram never went to the South according to Valmikis Ramayana says the confused drug addict troll who wants to be white? Both Valmiki’s and Hanuman Ji’s version of Ramayan proves that Ram was in the South. But a Muslim or Christian slave like you won’t be able to digest it. Its funny to see you defend Muslims and Buddhists at the same time. If there weren’t Hindus, Muslims would’ve converted you and made you their permanent bund or ass licker. Lions didn’t exist in Sri Lanka so you hate Sri Lanka? Sri Lankans call themselves Sinhala because they adore the Lion? I think I know what you are. Are you a foolish Tamil that still believe in disrupting peace in Sri Lanka. Not all Tamils are inferior like you. First you claimed South Indians aren’t Hindus but it is the South Indians who build more Temples dedicated to their own Gods. Suddenly when you experienced western hate ideology like Communism, or Catholicism you think you were liberated? You became their slaves, FOOL. You hypocrites name yourselves Hindu names and you hate Hindus? Change your name to Lenin, Hitler etc because you fools are followers of hate. Hindus don’t hate you. We actually laugh at your inferiority complex. I think you should still change your skin color and become white. It fits you. That way you’ll stop feeling inferior. Something tells me you are a White in diguise, Mr Scott Saraswati.

    I think the reason why you showed up here is this. You can’t stand the fact that Aryan invasion theorists are inferior, confused and lost their game. Your whiteness got hurt when I talked about Max Mueller and similar kind right? Bastards like you are the reason why there’s problem in this world. Hindus don’t create problems. Its your Muslim and Christian masters that are fighting each other to see which religion dominates. If you are hurt, its not my problem stupid drug addict. Its your problem for trying to create confusion. You created your own problem and everyone is laughing at your inferiority complex. Your propaganda got crushed and eaten. I know your kind very well Mr Scott Saraswati. When it comes to playing games I will teach you new games, games that you have never seen. Only a stupid and confused bundologist will try to teach Indian history to a true Hindu.

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    Another confused reply or lie that came out of your bundologist mind. Mr Scott Saraswati, I know the plight of Dalits because I am an Indian. I don’t like seeing downtrodden people in India of any caste. Since you are a big supporter of Christians and Muslims, answer this question like the son of a single father, not multiple fathers. Question: You think Dalits will be saved by Christians or Muslims. If you Dalits lived in Rome or Saudi Arabia, they will still treat you like second class citizens because of your skin color. Assuming Mr Scott Dalit you are not white, they won’t tolerate your whole group there. Christian God is painted as White even though the man was of Semitic color which is tanned skin. He didn’t have blue or colored eyes. Secondly, Mr Scott who calls yourself a Dalit, Islam will force you into slavery. Arabs will never see you as one of them. They will use your kind like a broom stick. So Mr Scott Dalit, these religions won’t save you because you are already lying and the more you lie the more you cry. Another confused reply or lie that came out of your bundologist mind. Mr Scott, I know the plight of Dalits because I am an Indian. I don’t like seeing downtrodden people in India. Since you are a big supporter of Christians and Muslims, answer this question like the son of a single father, not multiple fathers. Question: You think Dalits will be saved by Christians or Muslims. If you Dalits lived in Rome or Saudi Arabia, they will still treat you like second class citizens because of your skin color. Assuming Mr Scott Dalit you are not white, they won’t tolerate your whole group there. Christian God is painted as White even though the man was of Semitic color which is tanned skin. He didn’t have blue or colored eyes. Secondly, Mr Scott who calls yourself a Dalit, Islam will force you into slavery. Arabs will never see you as one of them. They will use you like shoe and step over your head because remember, these two religions are competing to take over the world and the more converts they have the more corrupted they become, corrupted in power. They won’t make you Muslim or Christian because of your skin color. They are doing it for their own selfish reasons. If they gave you money without converting you into their religions, then they aren’t corrupt. So Mr Scott Dalit, these expansionist religions won’t save you. The more you lie the more you cry.

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    More facts to take you to reality. A stone bridge that connects the tip of Southern India to Sri Lanka was created by the people you hate, Hindus. Satellite image clearly shows it. Its was formed to fight an evil man living in Sri Lanka named Ravan. That man kidnapped the wife of Lord Ram Ji. What would you do if somebody kidnapped your wife? Would you stand still like a Bundologist? Or with you fight to get her back? You bundologists are stupid as it gets. Judging from your Xtian or Islamic or White ways you say Hindu Gods don’t exist but you think an invisible Allah or Christ exists. Have you seen them? Hindus saw our own Gods because they have been in India as Indians. But a history distorting bundologist have other agendas in mind. I think you would be better off taking your stupid medicines. You think Lord Vishnu does not exist as a human being but you are quick to support the existence of Christ as a human being. HYPOCRITE! You followers of hateful middle eastern ideologies are completely insane. But not all of you are this stupid. We Hindus don’t care about your hate. People like me will make sure YOUR lies are brought to light. Ofcourse I am a Hindu but YOU at first claimed to be a Jain, from there you went to Buddhism, and then a Tamil. Then you went to Atheism. Bundologist answer this. Are you Indian or White? I won’t call you a Dalit because Dalits deserve much more respect and they are honest but you are a stupid Bundologist saying Dalits are not Hindus. Then what are they? Nothing? Eating rotten meat must’ve lowered your brain power but I still see a White troll in you. Troll or not your facts have no basis because you can’t stick to one thing. The only thing you are good at is hating Hindus cause you feel inferior or the false Aryan invasion theory was broken into pieces. If you are of the history twisting Germanic kind, shame on you. Nazis learnt it the hard way for twisting other people’s history. Even your master Max Mueller admitted he was confused. If you try to confuse people people will confuse you.

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    Hindus have many Gods and we are proud of it. Your Islamic and Catholic masters tried their best to destroy native culture and their Gods claiming Invisible Allah or White Jesus is superior. Fools fighting each other like Chimps over a twig. Krishna looked at naked women in public? But you can look at naked women in secret right? Spoken like a true Mullah or a hypocritical Catholic Priest. The fact of the matter is that some women during those days didn’t cover their bodies much. They didn’t wear Burkha’s. Nudity was not seen as perversion. The only perverts are your Mullahs who lust for multiple women in secret and fraud Catholic Priests who claim to be celibate but at the same time molest young choir boys. Shame on you hypocrites.

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    Lord Shiva is the second class God among Sanskrits? How can Lord Shiva become a second class God when he is part of the Trimurti? Once against you were caught with your lies. Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu are worshipped in their various forms throughout India and a lying bundologist like you think they are second class. Lets assume you are Tamil. Lord Shiva is dear to Tamils. Lord Shiva is worshipped in many forms with or without a Brahmin. So many asectic Yogis worship Lord Shiva. You are the one who injects Brahmin into everything.

    I am sure you are confused by now. Sorry for confusing you but if you act like a turd, I’ll have to say it as it is. I respect my history, but just like any other history good and bad things happened in the past. Blaming Hindus won’t change the fact that you feel inferior. You can’t feel superior by blaming all Hindus. Blame the ones who oppress Dalits. At the same time blame the Muslims, Christians and Sikhs. They all practice caste system. Never knew fighting for the downtrodden would backfire. Even I can twist the history of Nazis and make them more inferior than they already are. Nazis to me is nothing but lower than dust. The irreligious barbarians have value at all. I don’t think you are a Dalit. You are an Idiot.

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    Ancient Sumerian is the oldest language on Earth says who? I am sure you are the same kind that thinks Elam next to Sumer is Tamil Eelam. Three different cultures and people. Sumerians looked Semitic in their own drawings. Even Elamites had Semitic features. They were part of the Meditarranean race. Similar features and blood Haplotype. Why do you want to demean Tamil culture and Civilization by comparing yourselves to foreign civilizations? You even hate your own South Indian brothers who are Hindus throughout history and birth right just because they build Temples and Classical civiliation that you should be proud of but you hate Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva who are potrayed in most of those Temples. Even a Temple which lacks a Brahmin has one or another form of Lord Shiva. You hated Yudhistira for not saving Draupadi but you hate Lord Krishna who actually saved her honor. What type of fool are you? You hate Hindus but you have Hindu names. Your theory is a mockery of man kind’s history. Some English racists thought Sanskrit was inferior when they clearly knew the language they spoke had some Sanskrit words in it. Sanskrit cant be inferior because it has so many “Dravidian” words in it. Dravidians the people living in South influenced Sanskrit you fool. Our God Hanuman lived in South India. Our Gods Shiva and Krishna look dark skinned. Even Lord Rama looked dark. Ravana looked dark. They are all Indians by origin, not Central Asian. I have seen idiots among Whites and Pakis but I haven’t seen many idiots among Tamils. I know Tamils are smart and well educated.

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    Sapta Sindhu or the seven rivers are the names given to rivers flowing from the Himalayas through Punjab and Sindh region. The river Saraswati dried out. They are all mentioned in the Vedas. Sindhu turned into Hindu because foreigners like Persians couldn’t pronounce Sindhu with their mother tongue. Your South Indian Hindu brothers and sisters respect the river because they are Hindus. Why didn’t Proto Tamil record the names of these Rivers? I have no hatred towards Tamils and I will never hate them. I can’t hate my own Hindu brothers and sisters. I just find people like you stupid. People like you fall for false Aryan, Communist and other hateful ideologies that aren’t even Indian in origin. Tamil is a classical language of India which should be respected and preserved but your hate ideology will make you more foolish as time passes by. You guys are so lucky that you were down South. North Indians and Central West Indians did much of the fighting to save India from Barbarians. Sadly we were split into 3 parts because of hateful people like you who follow foreign hate ideologies spread by false Priests, Mullahs, and false historians. I won’t blame just you. I blame all the castes for not uniting when Mother India needed them the most. If Yudhistir whom you hate lived during the barbarian invasions, he would’ve crushed them all and even would’ve invaded their native lands. He lived in the past way before the massive injuries inflicted on India by foreigners. Why blame just the foreigners and barbarians when the natives of India never united?

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    I will break down your fake Proto Tamil Indus Valley theory once again. Take a look at the stone tablet of the man with the beard and a headband. The guy looks Royal. Most probably a King or some Head. Does he look Tamil? He looks like a man from the same region of Sindh or Punjab. Now don’t call him an external Aryan. He’s more Indian than a Bundologist like you. I will break your theory apart once again. Indus Valley had North Indians, and people from other regions of India. It was a group of City states ruled by the various native people of India. Not all people of India looked the same, fake saraswati. They didn’t come from outside. They were natives who were created in India by our Gods, not human beings. But a fool with an inferiority complex think that all North Indians are outsiders. North Indians hated outsiders ruling over them. Any part of India, no outsider has the right to rule over our Dharmic lands.

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    To breakdown your falsehood more further, the headband that man in the Indus Valley tablet wears is either related to two lineages. The lunar race or the solar race. Both are Kshatriyas in origin, descended from ancient native warriors, not external irrreligious barbarians.

    • saraswati

      dear angry and frustrated agent of untruths have you read AskoParpola and Romila Thapar !!!!!!!!!! how can you live with such untruths in your mind. there should be serious affliction of your brain in the DORSO-LATERAL PRE FRONTAL NEO-CORTEX. maybe you dont sleep properly. that will seriously affect your Supra Chiasmic Neurons. you sound disoriented. take care it is not right to be angry all the time. reason must prevail and we must get on and do our best in day to day life. thanks for amusing me.

      • Sarcasm

        okay saraswati we all believe you. We know that whatever you and Asko Parpola and Romila says is the ULTIMATE truth and that truth cannot be refuted by anyone including God. Even if you change names, we’ll all believe you. You are honest. Everyone loves your honesty. I agree with you. Aryans are the best race and the most tolerant. We all love pale white skin and blonde hair. Hitler was pure white even though he didn’t have blonde hair, or blue eyes. He was pure Germanic even though looked mixed in origin. He had a little bit of the Asian continental look due to the fact that Asiatic tribes entered Germany in the past. Aryans created civilization while Sumerians, the first Greeks, the Romans and the rest of the meditarranean race depended on the Germanic Aryans to create everything for them. Even though the Germanic Aryans lived in the forests like desperate barbarians, they were superior to the ancient Sumerians, Greeks, Romans and the civilizations which existed in the fertile crescent. Infact Aryans were superior to the Hindus who lived in India who created civilizations. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are all Aryan Gods even though they looked dark skinned. saraswati you are absolutely correct, Aryans are superior to other life else where in this galaxy and universe. Aryans who lived in Central Europe created including God. God is white in color and many Aryan invasion theorists proves that God looks white. Germanic Aryans and Central Asians created great monuments, city structures, religions in Germany and Central Asia during the year 1500 B.C while mediterranean people like Sumerians, Greeks, Romans and non meditarranean people like the ones who existed in the Indus Valley people lived in huts during 1500 B.C. Sumerians with Aquiline nose and Semitic features were inferior to the white Aryans who created the first Civilization which includes the Wheel, City blocks. Temples, Irrigation etc. Sumerians were inferior to the pure white, blonde haired Germans who created civilization in Germany during 3000 B.C. Dark skinned Hindus who lived in India got the technology of city building, temples from Germanic Aryans. The meditarranean people which included the ancient Greeks and the Romans were inferior to the northern Germanic tribes who were the first Aryans. Aryans also created the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. Aryans are the reason why the Earth is still green. Germanic people ate meat and were true Aryans. The Hindus of India are false Aryans because they refuse to eat the cow. All Hindus should change their skin color to the skin color of Aryans which is white. Even though Germans didn’t know what an Aryan was Asko Parpola and Romila Thapar says otherwise. Germanic texts prior to 1800 A.D says a lot about what an Aryan is. Hindu texts mention an Aryan as a man that lives his life for his community which is not the real meaning of the word Aryan. The Germanic Aryan is the true Aryan. SumArian is inferior to Aryan.

  64. Sarcasm

    saraswati its true that Germanic Aryans and Central Asian Aryans were much more civilized than the Greeks and the Romans who called them inferior barbarians. These barbarians didn’t invade Greece and Rome to take over them but to prove that the Germanic race who lived in the forests were superior human beings compared to the uncivilized people who lived in the civilizations of Greece and Rome. Pale skinned Gutians who invaded the fertile crescent were superior to Sumerians. The meditarranean race during the ages of 3000, 2000, and 1500 B.C was inferior compared to the pale skinned Aryan races of the North. Our fair and lovely skin cream is a dedication to the beauty of the Aryan race. Don’t we all want to have the perfect features of the Aryans? Blonde hair, colored eyes, perfect nose etc? The people who lived in the medittaranean and the fertile crescent had imperfect features while the Germanic Aryans, Scythians and the Tocharians who built great cities during 3000, 2000, and 1500 B.C had perfect features. Even the Chinese who had a civilization of their own found the Central Asian Aryans to be superior. Central Asian Aryans built civilizations, did irrigation, had temples, Gods etc. Many Aryan structures are there in Central Asia. Our bollywood is the perfect example of our Aryan heritage. We love our light skin. If some of us brown or dark Aryans don’t have a light skin, we’ll do our best to get a light skin. For that we have modern creams, lotions, white make up and plastic surgery all the creation of our Germanic brothers who were civilized much earlier than the ancient Sumerians, the Greeks, the Egyptians and the Romans. saraswati yes you are much more whiter than many Hindus. The Pyramids of Eygpt were built by the Germanic people. Menes, Imhotep, Seti, Rameses were all Aryans and white skinned. Sumerians who called themselves dark headed people were infact WHITE with blonde, brunette or red hair. They never had dark skin, black hair or semitic features. Even Sumerian drawings show blonde hair. Asko Parpola would agree with me because he had blonde hair. The Uralic language was Aryan in origin. It split away from the Indo European languages during 1500 B.C when chariots flew out of the asses of horses. India never had horses before the wonderful Aryan Invasion. Even prehistoric horse paintings in Bimbetka Caves which are dated to thousands of years are all lies. Horses came to India only after 1500 B.C. Indus Valley stone tables didn’t show any horses but it showed many other animals. But those stone tables didn’t show alligators, the Asiatic Lion, Duck, Camel, and many other animals that existed in India during the past. You are a bright person saraswati. You are easily entertained. You never get hurt or irritated by what people say online. You represent superiority. This is what we need in Bollywood. Superior thinking, superior skin color and superior features.

    • saraswati

      dear sarcasm do you live with this cluttered confusion in your head all the time?. your views are anti-virtue. that is the central issue between me and all your gang. the aryan culture of casteist racism and its special brand of usurping the works of other cultures. the appalling conditions of dalits that is still prevalent in india and alacrity with which it is practiced openly is truly shocking and your insenitivity is not surprising because considering the effort you take to defend your anti-virtues. bollywood is a business- entertainment centre and open to talent and capabilty irrespective of colour or religion or region. the indian aryans must learn from this healthy fair play. the issue is not physical race but of cultural racism. in india you will find a kind of slavery of a unprecendentaly brutal form on a people of virtue by the non-virtuous brahmanical priest class. you must use your reason and learn to have sane views. your arguments lack a consistent thread, that means it lacks integrity. i suggest you read Ibn Rusht. The Nyaya Shastra speaks about Hetu- vidya and Anviksiki the science of causes. Pramana shastra the science of reasoning or logic.Ibn rushd, Avicenna are Arabic scholars and Aristotleans. incidentally Aristotles Organon is the first and foremost book on logic.The Nyaya Shastra also speaks of Vadartha the science of discusion-arguments, which is– what we are doing .the section dealing with Phakkika-shastra deals with sophism. the first sutra refers to sixteen categories which are the foundations of being a rational human being. the second and third sutras speak of Perception.the fifth of Anumana or inference and .sixth of Upamana or comparision.the sixth tells of Shabdaha or the word of experts or reliable men.
      please check all your gangs arguments and rebuttals do they follow any of these. you use abusive words used by street hooligans. you make stormy claims, accusations, and indulge in raving and ranting. you must have vision to see the truth relentlessly educate yourself and be bold to stand by that which is truth irrespective of your Aham/ego. although i am saddened by the way people like you try to uphold wanton untruths. they are there every where. if you ever come to latin america plse come to Vina del mar..thanks SV. .

  65. Sarcasm

    saraswati, Tamil people also created the Elamite Empire. The people who Elam who had the Aquiline nose looked exactly like the Tamilians of India. Many Tamilians have Aquiline nose. Never call a Tamilian an Australoid because Tamilians are superior to Australiods who have dark skin and flat noses. Elam was taken over by the Persians who were Whiter than Elamites. Priest King of Indus Valley Civilization was also a light skinned Tamil. Even though he looked half North Indian and half Mongoloid in origin, he was perfectly Tamil. Indus Valley civilization had only dark skinned Tamils living in it. Tamils were light skinned but later became dark due to the Sun. The haplotypes of many Indians and Tamils are closely related to the blonde haired Germanic Haplotype of R1A. R1B is Celtic British. Haplotype M is disgusting because it is related to the Africans. saraswati you are the torch bearer of the Harappan Civilization but as long as some dark Indians prefer white skin and features how can you hate the “Aryans”? White skin is the best. We need to reproduce White skin. Dark, tanned and yellow skin perior were inferior to the Germanic Aryan during the year 3000 B.C, 2000 B.C and even 1500 B.C when the first horses were brought to India.

    — Sarcasm.

  66. Sarcasm

    saraswati, you are brave. You are the best. You are so brave that you will never change names like me on a blog. Even in person you are brave. You represent honesty. Apart from that, answer one question. What do you think about the corruption in India? Is that a Central Asian Aryan or Dravidian trait?

    • saraswati

      corruption is a central asian particularly rig vedic roots. for example look at (A)DHARMARAJ gambling away his wife and the whole country lock stock and barrel. look at you struggling for that which is not yours.!!!!!!!! aha your expletives are really amusing!!!

  67. Sarcasm

    saraswati who refuses to change names, features or even products on a blog would disagree. Vedas were infact written in 1500 B.C. saraswati, Asko Parpola and Romila Thapar found books written to that age and they even dated it with their superior technology. One day saraswati will sell the finalized Aryan product to the entire humanity and that would make Hitler in hell proud.

    saraswati never bullshits on a blog. saraswati tells us nothing but the truth and the truth is better than speaker of untruth. saraswati is right. Aryans lived on every planet including Mercury. Aryans lived on the big spot Jupiter which has ultra high speed winds and it would blow away mountains. Aryans also lived on Pluto which had subzero degree temperatures. Aryans once lived in the Sun but due to its intense heat they left on a hot spaceship to Mercury and from Mercury they entered Venus where Shukracharya welcomed them. Aryans also visited Rahu and Ketu. Aryans are the reason why Saturn got its rings. During the Kuruskhetra War, Aryans were the reason for the Solar Eclipse but saraswati thinks the Lunar Eclipse was caused by the Dravidians. saraswati just showed up randomly after it accidently saw the postings of a user that showed up with the name Truth Will Prevail. Infact Truth Will Prevail was speaking the Untruth. Only saraswati speaks the Truth because Asko Parpola, Max Mueller and Romila Thapar knows the theoretical truth. The rest are liars. saraswati feels good to be part of a particular group just like the invaders who invaded Indian all for personal gains or agenda. Aryans invaded Indus Valley and created the Vedas and saraswati, Asko Parpola and Romila Thapar were there witnessing the invasion. They left their 21st century time machine and reached the Indus Valley exactly around 1500 B.C and saw Aryans there. They also found out that Aryans lived in mudhuts in Central Asia. Aryans of Central Asia defeated the Mongols and took over Mongolia and China. Aryans of Central Asia don’t have slanted eyes because Aryans and Persians could defend themselves from eastern Mongoloid people like Huns and Mongols. According to postings by saraswati, saraswati is a true Tamil and is never obsessed with Aryans. saraswati is never obsessed with light skin or bollywood features because saraswati speaks the truth, not untruth.

    saraswati is here for enjoyment and thanks people for the it. saraswati is never a troll but a true historian who never sweats. saraswati has never lied in its entire life. saraswati never gets upset or posts on a blog when Aryans or Dravidians are mentioned. It only shows up randomly to get entertained by speakers of untruth. saraswati never wants to confuse others by changing names. saraswati reminds me of our politicians who are uncorruptable and are much better than kings like Lord Ram, Raja Harischandra all natives of ancient India. Lord Rama, Raja Harischandra are all inferior to saraswati because they have native blood of ancient India, not Central Asian blood so saraswati is superior to these Kings.

    saraswati is a fine example of a human being that speaks the truth, not untruth.

  68. saraswati you fraud

    saraswati lets assume you are not white. Lets assume you as a muslim, a christian, a communist, an arab, a troll, a mongoloid, a paki or a dark skinned Indian. As long as you lie, you can never ever laugh honestly. You cannot laugh at things when you have hatred for it. You aren’t laughing. You are crying inside and your frustrations are shown in your words. You are exactly like the frauds in South India and other parts of India who cheat others get into politics and make up lies to stay in power. So lets say thats your “Dravidian Trait”? You are the idiot who believe in a Dravidian race. Hindus who are above your Dravidian idiocy are actually mocking you. You claim English is perfect when you cannot even type English in a perfect manner. You are doing this on purpose or you are a mental. Nalanda and Taxila were powerful universities that were world famous. A mental like you wouldn’t be accepted there even if they were Buddhists and didn’t discriminate. I think you have a hatred for Buddhists and Sri Lankans cause of your Tamil failure there. Learn to live in peace with Lankans.

    Thanks for not only amusing me, but also amusing everyone else with your stupidity.

  69. saraswati you fraud

    saraswati assuming that you aren’t white, muslim, atheist, communist, paki or converted christian I can understand you feel inferior due to your skin color but as long as you worship English, you’ll always feel inferior to them and they’ll constantly laugh at you and your dark skin color. You cannot hate North Indians for your problems, skin colors, inferiority complex or features. YOU created your own problems. If you want to get rid of your frustrations, go get plastic surgery and then you’ll be welcomed in bollywood. I know deep inside you you want to become light skinned just like the actors in bollywood. You’ll stop hating North Indians and become a good boy or girl. We are here to amuse you and frustrate a fraud like you, you foolish Chootiya. I know you’ll reply me in your saraswati name or some other name like the desperate dickhead you are. I don’t care about you or your inferiority complex. You are hurting yourself idiot. Didn’t your parents tell you to not play mind games with strangers? FOOL !

  70. saraswati is a fraud

    saraswatis verbal diarrhea started with the Mahabharat, went toward Nalanda and Taxila and ended with a “thanks for amusing me” The thanks for amusing me part is a desperate strategy or a dumb line used by trolls when they see failure on the horizon. saraswati you failed. As long as you change names and type online, you will lose over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Continual defeat. You have nothing to be proud of.

  71. saraswati losing an argument

    saraswati caught with lies once again. Above, it claims that communism was an ideology which was formed to fight industrialisation. It claims that communism is not a foreign ideology. So Karl Marx was born in India? Wow, you are truly literate saraswati. You truly represent the literacy of Harappa and Mohenjodaro. You hate North Indians claiming they are less literate because some of them have Caucasian features? You say you are the victim of North Indians? Lets imagine North Indians didn’t exist. How would your literate culture protect itself from the Arabs and Mongols whom you claimed brought Islam to deliver “Dalits” from imaginary “Aryans”? You would’ve been their loyal slave under Islam. Be thankful that so many North Indian Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc died to save India. The same Hindus you hate didn’t come from Central Asia. They lived in India thousands of years ago before your imaginary “Aryan Invasion”. What makes you so sure that a people with Caucasian features didn’t live in ancient India during 7000 B.C in Merghrah Culture or 3000 B.C in the Indus Valley? You are good at reaching conclusions because Asko Parpola, Max Mueller and Romila Thapar knows everything. You say Hinduism was forced upon South India but South Indians were already Hindus. South Indians were peaceful? Even South Indians fought battles against each other and even sent Naval expeditions to Lanka, and South East Asia. The fact of the matter my friend is that all cultures were warring. Humanity has been fighting since time immemorial. Even Sumerians who were taken over by Akkadians had a warrior system. If ancient Indians were peaceful, they were also warriors. Even your tamil culture is filled with warriors. You can’t save peace without defending it from people who don’t want peace. So warriors were formed to defend peace and to defend people from being forcefully converted, massacred, brainwashed or turned into slaves. Kali Yuga is an age where there is constant violence. Mahatma Gandhi took the non-violent path but even he said sometimes peace could be achieved only through violence. Some Human beings only understand violence and learn their lessons from it. Hinduism wasn’t imposed upon South India. South India was already Hindu because Lord Shiva is portrayed in almost all Temples in South India. You might hate Temples because you would rather prefer a Mosque, a Church or a Communist system because of your inferiority complex. When fools start worshipping a foreign ideology they lose their reasoning powers, self-respect and start suffering from inferiority complex. When you show up with the name saraswati you show your Hindu roots. Saraswati is the name of an ancient river which died out due to a drought.

  72. saraswati

    what is the contribution of hindi people to world heritage

  73. juvenBachan

    Yeah, and I guess the seals of the Indus is of Aryan origin and Frawley and you guys were riding horses on its streets. Did you stop at the stop sign?

    • saraswati

      the aryans came from the caucuses. at present they are the brahmins of india. they dont like to work. but usurping other peoples work and wealth comes naturally to them. as evidence look at the way they dont allow other castes to become purohits. they cooly ignore the atrocities of untouchability practiced by them. they are blatantly practicising and proclaiming brahmanical racism and are a threat to humanity at large the international comunity must come forward and ban the rig veda and bhagavad geeta which propogates racism. THE UN MUST TAKE COGNIZANCE OF THIS BECAUSE IT IS ATHREAT TO ALL HUMANITY.

      • je suis charlie- I am charlie (agnostic Yupp!!!)

        And the indian Govt. Must kick your sorry arse out of India. You are not welcome. You can try porkistan or Iran. Even somalia. There are no ‘evil bhramins’ there (they are present in porkieland but are shitscared of porkies). No ‘evil, racist, demon worshiping, pagan, heathen etc. In Iran, Somalia and Syria. Please go there and be happy. Bon Voyage. ADIOS. Never return.

        • Anonymous

          there is casteism in Hindia and it is evil form of racism. brahmins are the architects and protectors of casteism which originated in the Gita. it resulted in untouchability and illiteracy and slavery. the brahmins dont want to work they want to just boss around on ignorant lower caste masses thru their temple hundies. in fact the safron sadhus must file patent voilation against the boeing,airbus,lockheed martin for stealing the design of airplanes ie vimana discovered by the brahmins five thousand years ago!!!!!!. the srecovery of this damages will make the sense go beyond 50k points ha ha ha whoooops quite a jackpot

          • je suis charlie

            Yeah the evil hindus! The people who follow evil caste system. You must really abhore it. You should hate hindus and move to some country where hindus are not present. You have two main choices-1-Somalia 2-Parts of Levent(Iraq, Syria, Gaza and West Bank of Jordan River). Moreover, you will find that the place is stuffed to the brim with monotheists and 0 ‘devil worshipers and Idolators’. They certainly do fit in your( jesus and Mo-mad freaks) defination of Utopia. P.S. I am not an ultra nationalist. I credit them with they deserve and refrain from commenting on what they don’t(in my view).

            • Anonymous

              hi jesuit charlie it is good that u have turned christian particularly a jesuit then u must start proper science schools in the hindi heartland. teach them to pay their own bills. it is because of christians that you have schools with modern education. or else you ‘d be worse with chance of industrialisation. plse promote english. and liberate the hindi people. what made u become a christian so suddenly!

  74. Stop such nonsense thinking…!!! We must stand on scientific and logical ground, not Nazi like blind prejudice fanaticism. It isn’t going to pay anything, except haterate and communal conflict.

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