Comments for Indian Realist http://indianrealist.wordpress.com Calling Things by Their Correct Names is the Beginning of Wisdom Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:54:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Hindu Girls, Beware of Love Jihad by Anonymous http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/hindu-girls-beware-of-love-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-1827 Anonymous Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:54:22 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=1171#comment-1827 Karnataka - Bangalore Karnataka court discounts ‘Love Jihad’ angle Staff Reporter BANGALORE: The Karnataka High Court, on Friday, permitted a Hindu girl from Chamarajnagar in Karnataka to make her own choices after the State police filed an interim report saying that there is no “Love Jihad” angle to her relationship with a Muslim man from Malappuram. The High Court had on an earlier occasion asked Silja Raj to stay with her parents till the police submitted a report on “Love Jihad,” an alleged covert movement by some Muslims to lure and marry Hindu women. Silja’s father, C. Selvaraj, had filed a petition alleging that his daughter was a victim of “Love Jihad.” He claimed that Hindu women we being lured by Muslim youth and “brainwashed and indoctrinated” into converting to Islam. The court had then directed the State police to investigate the issue and file a report. In the report, the Director-General and Inspector-General of Police said several teams from the Criminal Investigation Department were sent to all districts of Kerala to find out details of girls and women missing and also to find out if there was any “Love Jihad” movement. The report says though there is no “Love Jihad” angle in Silja’s case, the State police have collected voluminous information from Kerala. Since the information has to be collated, only an interim report is being filed. It said Silja had of her own will gone away with Ashkar. It was Ashkar’s mother, Shahida, who asked Silja and her son to go to a mosque in Ponnani in Kerala and take training from the madrassa there. It said Ashkar had no relationship with any Muslim organisation according to information collected so far. The report says that till now there is no specific instance of converted women being used for Jihad or any anti-national activity. However, the police say they are still collecting information and a final report will be filed. A Division Bench, comprising Justice K. Sreedhar Rao and Justice Ravi Malimath, adjourned further hearing of the case to January 18 and allowed the girl to decide on her future course of action. Hindu girl from Chamarajnagar in Karnataka to make her own choices after the State police filed an interim report saying that there is no “Love Jihad” angle to her relationship with a Muslim man from Malappuram.THE HINDU NEWSPAPER Karnataka – Bangalore

Karnataka court discounts ‘Love Jihad’ angle

Staff Reporter
BANGALORE: The Karnataka High Court, on Friday, permitted a Hindu girl from Chamarajnagar in Karnataka to make her own choices after the State police filed an interim report saying that there is no “Love Jihad” angle to her relationship with a Muslim man from Malappuram.

The High Court had on an earlier occasion asked Silja Raj to stay with her parents till the police submitted a report on “Love Jihad,” an alleged covert movement by some Muslims to lure and marry Hindu women.

Silja’s father, C. Selvaraj, had filed a petition alleging that his daughter was a victim of “Love Jihad.” He claimed that Hindu women we being lured by Muslim youth and “brainwashed and indoctrinated” into converting to Islam. The court had then directed the State police to investigate the issue and file a report.

In the report, the Director-General and Inspector-General of Police said several teams from the Criminal Investigation Department were sent to all districts of Kerala to find out details of girls and women missing and also to find out if there was any “Love Jihad” movement.

The report says though there is no “Love Jihad” angle in Silja’s case, the State police have collected voluminous information from Kerala. Since the information has to be collated, only an interim report is being filed.

It said Silja had of her own will gone away with Ashkar. It was Ashkar’s mother, Shahida, who asked Silja and her son to go to a mosque in Ponnani in Kerala and take training from the madrassa there. It said Ashkar had no relationship with any Muslim organisation according to information collected so far.

The report says that till now there is no specific instance of converted women being used for Jihad or any anti-national activity. However, the police say they are still collecting information and a final report will be filed.

A Division Bench, comprising Justice K. Sreedhar Rao and Justice Ravi Malimath, adjourned further hearing of the case to January 18 and allowed the girl to decide on her future course of action.

Hindu girl from Chamarajnagar in Karnataka to make her own choices after the State police filed an interim report saying that there is no “Love Jihad” angle to her relationship with a Muslim man from Malappuram.THE HINDU NEWSPAPER

]]> Comment on Hindu Girls, Beware of Love Jihad by Anonymous http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/hindu-girls-beware-of-love-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-1826 Anonymous Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:42:15 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=1171#comment-1826 JGN,it is very clear that there is no compulsion in religion.If you want you can accept or reject.And about the burning in Hell,no one will burn you here or even stare at you as it comes only after death.No need to worry about it as you haven't believe in it! JGN,it is very clear that there is no compulsion in religion.If you want you can accept or reject.And about the burning in Hell,no one will burn you here or even stare at you as it comes only after death.No need to worry about it as you haven’t believe in it!

]]> Comment on Hindu Girls, Beware of Love Jihad by Anonymous http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/hindu-girls-beware-of-love-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-1825 Anonymous Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:34:47 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=1171#comment-1825 But do you mean to tell me that the man who in the full flush of youthful vigour, a young man of four and twenty (24), married a woman much his senior, and remained faithful to her for six and twenty years (26), at fifty years of age when the passions are dying married for lust and sexual passion? Not thus are men's lives to be judged. And you look at the women whom he married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection." - - Dr Annie Besant (Dr Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932) A noted British author has observed: "No great religious leader has been so maligned as Prophet Mohammed. Attacked in the past as a heretic, an impostor, or a sensualist, it is still possible to find him referred to as "the false prophet." A modern German writer accuses Prophet Mohammed of sensuality, surrounding himself with young women. This man was not married until he was twenty-five years of age, then he and his wife lived in happiness and fidelity for twenty-four years, until her death when he was fourty-nine. Only between the age of fifty and his death at sixty-two did Prophet Mohammed take other wives, only one of whom was a virgin, and most of them were taken for dynastic and political reasons. Certainly the Prophet's record was better than the head of the Church of England, Henry VIII." Geoffrey Parrinder, Mysticism in the World's Religions (New York: Oxford University Press, 1976, pg. 121) Another major (seemingly oldest) religion of the east, Hinduism, finds it's roots in early marriages of the girls. Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70]. Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! – "A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner." [Manu IX.94] This was meant to prevent any scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set on another, they should not be selected [Sheth 67]. So, what we have to keep in mind is, not only was it a custom in the Arab society as well, to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the other olden world societies. Also, the case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non-biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus (peace be upon him). Mary (may peace be upon her) had already been 'betrothed' to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man and Mary(ra) was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was 'betrothed' to Joseph. We, as Muslims, would never call Joseph a wrong doer, nor would we ever refer to the 'Holy Ghost' of the Bible, that 'Impregnated' Mary as a "Rapist" ...and Allah Almighty knows best. Not to mention, the present day misguided Priests of the church, painting the world red with their escapades that involve countless crimes of 'Pedophilia' and Rapes', where Susan Archibald, 37, a now retired Air Force officer who said a Catholic Air Force chaplain abused her starting in the 1980's, when she was an 18-year-old cadet at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. He was 38. In her testimony she said that, "When my chaplain first began to abuse me, he told me that God had sent me to him as a gift." A gift to use and throw. But do you mean to tell me that the man who in the full flush of youthful vigour, a young man of four and twenty (24), married a woman much his senior, and remained faithful to her for six and twenty years (26), at fifty years of age when the passions are dying married for lust and sexual passion? Not thus are men’s lives to be judged. And you look at the women whom he married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection.” – - Dr Annie Besant (Dr Annie Besant in ‘The Life and Teachings of Mohammad,’ Madras, 1932)
A noted British author has observed: “No great religious leader has been so maligned as Prophet Mohammed. Attacked in the past as a heretic, an impostor, or a sensualist, it is still possible to find him referred to as “the false prophet.” A modern German writer accuses Prophet Mohammed of sensuality, surrounding himself with young women. This man was not married until he was twenty-five years of age, then he and his wife lived in happiness and fidelity for twenty-four years, until her death when he was fourty-nine. Only between the age of fifty and his death at sixty-two did Prophet Mohammed take other wives, only one of whom was a virgin, and most of them were taken for dynastic and political reasons. Certainly the Prophet’s record was better than the head of the Church of England, Henry VIII.” Geoffrey Parrinder, Mysticism in the World’s Religions (New York: Oxford University Press, 1976, pg. 121)
Another major (seemingly oldest) religion of the east, Hinduism, finds it’s roots in early marriages of the girls. Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70]. Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! –

“A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner.” [Manu IX.94]

This was meant to prevent any scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set on another, they should not be selected [Sheth 67].

So, what we have to keep in mind is, not only was it a custom in the Arab society as well, to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the other olden world societies. Also, the case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non-biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus (peace be upon him). Mary (may peace be upon her) had already been ‘betrothed’ to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man and Mary(ra) was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was ‘betrothed’ to Joseph. We, as Muslims, would never call Joseph a wrong doer, nor would we ever refer to the ‘Holy Ghost’ of the Bible, that ‘Impregnated’ Mary as a “Rapist” …and Allah Almighty knows best. Not to mention, the present day misguided Priests of the church, painting the world red with their escapades that involve countless crimes of ‘Pedophilia’ and Rapes’, where Susan Archibald, 37, a now retired Air Force officer who said a Catholic Air Force chaplain abused her starting in the 1980’s, when she was an 18-year-old cadet at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. He was 38. In her testimony she said that, “When my chaplain first began to abuse me, he told me that God had sent me to him as a gift.” A gift to use and throw.

]]> Comment on Hindu Girls, Beware of Love Jihad by Anonymous http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/hindu-girls-beware-of-love-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-1824 Anonymous Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:49:01 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=1171#comment-1824 Yes brother we are in unity!.Idid saw our great leaders, Veelappally and Narayanappanikkar,came forward to warn the Hindus about the Jihadies.But I didn't see them in Chengara!.Did they call any press conference on this issue.Forgive me,they are not Hindus......... Yes brother we are in unity!.Idid saw our great leaders, Veelappally and Narayanappanikkar,came forward to warn the Hindus about the Jihadies.But I didn’t see them in Chengara!.Did they call any press conference on this issue.Forgive me,they are not Hindus………

]]> Comment on Romas and Hindus by Kannon http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/romas-and-hindus/comment-page-1/#comment-1823 Kannon Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:10:55 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=2187#comment-1823 Nam, you should publish your research/ thesis on the Roma people if possible so that it reaches more people. Nam, you should publish your research/ thesis on the Roma people if possible so that it reaches more people.

]]> Comment on Hindu Girls, Beware of Love Jihad by Nimmy http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/hindu-girls-beware-of-love-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-1822 Nimmy Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:27:13 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=1171#comment-1822 It is indeed very sad that Love Jihad has been ruled out by HC and by other police enquiry reports.. I feel sad for those people who religiously and patrioticaly argued against love jihadists. Maybe that time and effort could have been spent on something better in life… It is indeed very sad that Love Jihad has been ruled out by HC and by other police enquiry reports.. I feel sad for those people who religiously and patrioticaly argued against love jihadists. Maybe that time and effort could have been spent on something better in life…

]]> Comment on Romas and Hindus by sanjaychoudhry http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/romas-and-hindus/comment-page-1/#comment-1821 sanjaychoudhry Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:40:30 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=2187#comment-1821 And these White people are the ones who shed crocodile tears about India's "caste" system (which they themselves invented through church scholarship and census). And these White people are the ones who shed crocodile tears about India’s “caste” system (which they themselves invented through church scholarship and census).

]]> Comment on Romas and Hindus by Nam http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/romas-and-hindus/comment-page-1/#comment-1820 Nam Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:11:42 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=2187#comment-1820 The Roma people were my subject of research for a long time. It is true their culture is rooted in Indian culture and their language Romani has its roots in Sanskrit. A very persecuted race discriminated against in every aspect in European society. I once saw a Roma woman on a train in Italy and she was literally crying, because when she sat down on a seat, everyone around her moved away to other seats... this kind of discrimination is rampant and they've been surviving in it for a thousand years. The Roma people were my subject of research for a long time. It is true their culture is rooted in Indian culture and their language Romani has its roots in Sanskrit. A very persecuted race discriminated against in every aspect in European society. I once saw a Roma woman on a train in Italy and she was literally crying, because when she sat down on a seat, everyone around her moved away to other seats… this kind of discrimination is rampant and they’ve been surviving in it for a thousand years.

]]> Comment on Hindu Girls, Beware of Love Jihad by Midhun http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/hindu-girls-beware-of-love-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-1817 Midhun Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:06:32 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=1171#comment-1817 Muslim women are allowed o enter the mosques in most, if not all the Arab nations. In India, the orthodox portion of Muslims are still opposing to women going to mosques. But the relatively modern muslims do support women entering mosques. This is because prophet had allowed this. The so called muslim nations in West Asia are still ruled by despots and autocratic rulers. In most of the countries the main opposition are Islamists and they are cruelly tortuered.The EU and USA who talk about democracy in Iran are quite happy with the Arab autocrates. Insha Allah a time will come when the despots will be overturned and the peoples will will be established.Then only the unified Ummah can come into being. Saudi is not a role model for us. There is no proper type election there. Better to take example of Iran in this regard. Muslim women are allowed o enter the mosques in most, if not all the Arab nations. In India, the orthodox portion of Muslims are still opposing to women going to mosques. But the relatively modern muslims do support women entering mosques. This is because prophet had allowed this.

The so called muslim nations in West Asia are still ruled by despots and autocratic rulers. In most of the countries the main opposition are Islamists and they are cruelly tortuered.The EU and USA who talk about democracy in Iran are quite happy with the Arab autocrates.
Insha Allah a time will come when the despots will be overturned and the peoples will will be established.Then only the unified Ummah can come into being.
Saudi is not a role model for us. There is no proper type election there. Better to take example of Iran in this regard.

]]> Comment on Hindu Girls, Beware of Love Jihad by Midhun http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/hindu-girls-beware-of-love-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-1816 Midhun Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:52:05 +0000 http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/?p=1171#comment-1816 To unerstand why the "caste no bar" thing is there you should try to register in a matrimony portal. There is a mandatory option for caste in the website software and you can many sects and region names. The only way out is to give caste no bar. Just check this with any other religion marriage profiles. To unerstand why the “caste no bar” thing is there you should try to register in a matrimony portal. There is a mandatory option for caste in the website software and you can many sects and region names. The only way out is to give caste no bar.
Just check this with any other religion marriage profiles.

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